We have the Mori in Australia as well and the Mediterranian Civs are just the most famous. Also most no African black nations just haven't reached what I call the peek of a nation.
Peek of nation is way more controversial, what you mean with that? Australia and Canada already achieve their peek? They don't even achieve independence... They are in the game because had many white players in Australia and Canada who want to play as their nation, they don't reached any peek, they are here because players want to play with them.
Ps. Mori is a Typo for Maori? Or is it something I just don't know?
Before I peace out of this, (To avoid arguing over it for too long) I'd like to state a couple of things;
1. No person is worse than another at recording history based on their, sex, race, or religion.
AMAZING! I'm Greatfull for that.
2. The crossing to the Americas happened so long ago I would count it as a sperate racial group. (Also Asians, not Mongols and Idina is in the wrong place)
I totally agree on that, America ethincity is very diverse but as just have 5 very different Native-American nation I put all as Mongol-ish to simplify, I guess it should be easier to an US-American to understand, as ALexander Hetaroi said, it is a Germanic way to understand ethinicity.
India is also very diverse, they have two kind of humans, in North they are Caucasian and have an Arian heritage. In South they are Dravidians, what I understand also as a Black ethinicity as the Papua New Guinea. They aren't African, but are Black.
Chandra Gupta is from North India, he has Arian heritage, so is in the right position, as other caucasians.
Gandhi I don't know his background, I just put him next to Chandra Gupta to avoid more controversia.
3. What I consider a peek of a nation is when it reaches a point of remembrance or importance in the overall world. (Most nations do just not all to the same extent as others and some slower than others)
I think Haiti totally fit this peek of a nation idea, because it was the first empire of Caribe, it ends the milenar institution of world slavery, and also it was the first Black Republic of the world, their constitution is the first in the world to say all humans are equals don't matter their collor of skin.
But I don't totally agree about the peek of nation is needed to be a Civ, Georgia never was a great empire, but their strugle to survive and still surviving as nation is the reason why they deserve to be a Civ. But, as we can't have ALL nations in this game, this "peek of nation" can be used to help choice next Civ.
4. Adding Civs or Units based on their race is stupid. A civ should be added if it has an amazing culture or military or unique game mechanic. (This is a game after all.) That's why I don't expect Denmark when we have Norway. Or Ireland when we have Scottland. (They're different but not to extent that you need both civs)
I guess both are important, I said about a lot of Afro-American nations just to demystify the idea of Black didn't forge their own nations in America, but I also can't see well how Miskitos or Garifunas can be a civ because need other unique features as an Unique Unit, Unique Improvement and so on. But they can appear as a Civ State.
5. I really would like to see the Powhatan or Cherokee in the game (I know they're not Afro-American but whatever. Okay maybe they have mixed blood IDK) The Cherokee is the only native nation to invent their own writing.
I need to admit this US-American understanding about Native-American was a surprise to me, I never thought the idea of Black Seminole can be so controversial.
I need to admit I also would like to see Powhatan, Cherokee and all other Native-Americans in Civ game. I would think this game will be very well balanced if have the same numbers of Native Americans as have Germanic leaders.
About the Seminole, I found this video yesterday:
As I understand, there are 3 groups of Seminole today.
Florida's Seminole, who fight and won Andrew Jackson, still living in Florida and is impossible to say if they are more Native American of Black, they are full-mix-race.
Oklahoma's Seminole, they are defeated by Andrew Jackson and move to Oklahoma, in Oklahoma the Black-Seminole start to be enslaved by other Native-American nations and also by Texans and John Horse lead more one time their folk against the Slavery to Mexico.
That event make the Oklahoma's Seminole be more Native American than black, I guess that is the why it is so controversial, because in USA-Historography the Native Americans are in Oklahoma and, in fact, nowadays Seminole in Oklahoma isn't as black as other Seminoles groups because Slavery issue.
Mexican's Seminole, this group is majority black and receive land in North Mexico in order to protect Mexican boarder against Texan's raiders.
As I see it, Seminole can be a Civ and the game don't need to say if it is black or native. As all other Civs, they need to have a leader, an Unique Unit, an Unique Improvement and a politica agenda. As the leader, since yesterday, I'm think the best option is
Negro Abraham, look what he said when defeated once Andrew Jackson.
Very important issue about Seminole, they move to Florida to avoid White man and welcome all Black people who also want to avoid White man. Spaniards also allow everyone to come to Florida to defend it self against Protestant-White man. There is no knowledge of races in Florida, they are all together against the same foe, USA Empire.
No hard feelings and no offense meant by anything I said. Have fun arguing.
If I ofend you also I want to ask excuse, I love argue about Black Heritage and just want to see a better world, and I'm pretty sure Civilization have the power to help to build a new world. The Imperialism is over, now we all understand all humans are equal, let's do this game also more balanced. This game isn't an European game, it is made by Americans. Let's think a bit more about what is America.
Also, I forgot, Henri your map is wrong ways up LOL.
There are an Uruguayan called Torres García who will argue the South American nations should draw their maps up-side down. As I'm a Brazilian who is thinking about South lack of diversity I guess this Uruguayan map fit better
