Blacks outside Africa

[Zaarin]

I'm not agreeing with Henri about adding a small Brazilian rogue state as a civ, but he is right that Angolans and Congolese were a major component of the quilombos. Even at the time plantation owners asked slavers to stop buying slaves from Angola and Kongo because they were more warlike and less submissive than other slaves. I think some reference to quilombos in Civ7's Brazil would make sense, since there will never be a Palmares civ.

 

[Henri Christophe]

I'm not agreeing with Henri about adding a small Brazilian rogue state as a civ, but he is right that Angolans and Congolese were a major component of the quilombos. Even at the time plantation owners asked slavers to stop buying slaves from Angola and Kongo because they were more warlike and less submissive than other slaves. I think some reference to quilombos in Civ7's Brazil would make sense, since there will never be a Palmares civ.

If they come as a city State who spawn Unique Units as Capoeiras I will be very happy too. Maybe Zumbi and/or Ganga Zumba could appear as Great Generals. Despite I prefer a civ to they

 

[Zaarin]

If they come as a city State who spawn Unique Units as Capoeiras I will be very happy too. Maybe Zumbi and/or Ganga Zumba could appear as Great Generals. Despite I prefer a civ to they

With the Polish city Wolin a city-state alongside Poland now, I suppose anything's possible.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

was bigger in size, Portugal the small country in Europe. I was not considering the size of united empire of Portugal and Brazil and Africa, no. Palmares was bigger than the portugal, the country in Europe.

Sorry but that's not even bigger than the home country of Portugal which is 35,603 square miles, while Alagoas is 10,721 square miles, and Palmares was inside the state and smaller than that.

 

[Henri Christophe]

There is Mocambos also in Pernambuco, it make a little bigger the area of QUilombo dos Palmares.
Nedless to say, there is Quilombo in all brazilian territory, who can used as name of cities. So they have cities enough to be a Civ

 

[Evie]

Regardless of the size (as others have pointed out, it's not that hard to have sheer size in the more remote parts of the Americas), the short city names list and short leader list make Palmares more suited to a City State than a civ.

Beside which, we have one French (and English, but the devs emphasize the French half), one English (America), one Portuguese (Brazil) and one Hispanic (Gran Colombia) American post-colonial civs. So one African one - Haiti - should be enough to round up the list (dear Surinam: don't even dare think about it).

More than that would be excessive when what the Americas mostly need is, well, Indigenous Americans.

 

[Ryansinbela]

At least add a Pacific Northwest or Southwestern rep

 

[Henri Christophe]

More than that would be excessive when what the Americas mostly need is, well, Indigenous Americans.

That I agree, is needed at least more one native american in Civ 6 to this game be better than Civ 5.
USA and Brazil don't have any indigenous of their lands, from Brazil I would vote from Guarani, they are big, they are also in Paraguay and Argentina.
From USA have many good names as Iroquois, Sioux, Seminole e etc

I think next expasion, if it happens, should be Iroquois and Haiti. my dream would be Seminole lead by John Horse or Negro Abraham, but this I think don't have community aproval

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Beside which, we have one French (and English, but the devs emphasize the French half), one English (America), one Portuguese (Brazil) and one Hispanic (Gran Colombia) American post-colonial civs. So one African one - Haiti - should be enough to round up the list (dear Surinam: don't even dare think about it).

It's okay we have Indonesia, for the Dutch.

I think next expasion, if it happens, should be Iroquois and Haiti. my dream would be Seminole lead by John Horse or Negro Abraham, but this I think don't have community aproval

Nobody disapproves of the Seminole coming in. What they disapprove of is it being called a black nation and being lead by a member of the smaller Black Seminole community, especially with those names.

 

[Henri Christophe]

Nobody disapproves of the Seminole coming in. What they disapprove of is it being called a black nation and being lead by a member of the smaller Black Seminole community, especially with those names.

Do you think just Osceola can be leader of Seminole?
If John Horse become an alt leader to Seminole, would you agree?
Because for me this Seminole story is so amazing. But I understand wee need more native-native american for while should be best Iroquois or Sioux.
But still, the Black Seminole an amazing Civ never made.

 

[Zaarin]

one English (America)

Two English: USA and Australia.

Nobody disapproves of the Seminole coming in. What they disapprove of is it being called a black nation and being lead by a member of the smaller Black Seminole community, especially with those names.

Agreed, though of the Southeastern tribes the Seminoles would be pretty near the bottom for me. They were basically Creek refugees--or more pointedly Red Stick refugees; given the choice I'd rather have a Red Stick leader for the Creeks. However, I'd much rather have the Powhatan, Choctaw, Chickasaw, or Cherokee to represent the Southeast.

 

[Evie]

Two English: USA and Australia.

AHem:

American post-colonial civs.

Unless somebody rewrote the map and didn't tell me, I do seem to recall Australia not being an *American* civ by any stretch of the imagination.

For the Seminole to get a black seminole alt leader, they'd need to be in the game with a main leader to begin. Discussing alt leaders for civs that are not even in the game yet seem quite a reach.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Two English: USA and Australia.

Australia isn't in the Americas however which was being discussed.

Agreed, though of the Southeastern tribes the Seminoles would be pretty near the bottom for me. They were basically Creek refugees--or more pointedly Red Stick refugees; given the choice I'd rather have a Red Stick leader for the Creeks. However, I'd much rather have the Powhatan, Choctaw, Chickasaw, or Cherokee to represent the Southeast.

I agree that the Seminoles wouldn't be my first choice either, both overall as a tribe and in the South East.

 

[Zaarin]

Unless somebody rewrote the map and didn't tell me, I do seem to recall Australia not being an *American* civ by any stretch of the imagination.

Australia isn't in the Americas however which was being discussed.

Sorry, glossed over the "American" part; I consider all the postcolonial civs intrusive.

 

[Henri Christophe]

I agree that the Seminoles wouldn't be my first choice either, both overall as a tribe and in the South East.

Agreed, though of the Southeastern tribes the Seminoles would be pretty near the bottom for me. They were basically Creek refugees--or more pointedly Red Stick refugees; given the choice I'd rather have a Red Stick leader for the Creeks. However, I'd much rather have the Powhatan, Choctaw, Chickasaw, or Cherokee to represent the Southeast.

Make sense do other tribes of USA first, who look like a tribe, and then do a Seminole with proudness of their history and legacy with Black community intermixed.
So come Haiti and Iroquois
and after Seminole and Powhatan.

 

[jasper]

I also make it "gamial". Haiti has the accomplishment of start the end of world slavery and be the only enslaved nation to rise in power, fight against France, Spain, and UK at same time and won. ANd I would have fun to play with they.

For me is very fun to see representativety. But I don't miss just Blacks of Diaspora, but I also miss native americans in the lack of this game diversity.



Is incomparable the two examples, nothing in the world was worst than the transatlantic slavery. And we also had Jim Crow laws in America and Apartheid in Africa and just finish just recently.

If this game have the power to do something in respect of it, why not do it? This game have much power, for example, I just know about Iroquois and Zulus because this game, I'm sure if this game choice someblack nation of diaspora will make more players learn about cool afro-american civs and empodering they.

Cant buy that. its not gamial, its racial. Everything is black diversity, not diversity. If they added a white civ that contributed towards diversity then it isnt good enough. It must be black civs to add to the black diversity for something to count.

The irony is between germany, france, england, portugal, netherlands, greece, you have a lot of diversity in culture, history, religion, politics, military etc. Not all europe is the same. But again, you not really after diversity so this doesnt count. It must be racial skin color and not actual cultural, historical, political etc diversity.

Adding another European civ does add to diversity. Its like saying we dont need another african civ cause shaka, mansa and cleo covers africa sufficiently.

I wonder if you champion diversity in the nba the same way you do it for civ 6.

 

[Henri Christophe]

Cant buy that. its not gamial, its racial. Everything is black diversity, not diversity. If they added a white civ that contributed towards diversity then it isnt good enough. It must be black civs to add to the black diversity for something to count.

I argue, in AMericas diversity, yes it muss at least one Black-American Civ, the best option is Haiti but I fullfill with someothers.
This game is very unbalanced, more than half of the Civs are European and just 5 are Black or Native Americans.

The irony is between germany, france, england, portugal, netherlands, greece, you have a lot of diversity in culture, history, religion, politics, military etc. Not all europe is the same. But again, you not really after diversity so this doesnt count. It must be racial skin color and not actual cultural, historical, political etc diversity.

Every place on earth have it's own diversity, even China with theirs 94% Han ethinicity have diversity north south, west-east and so on.

Adding another European civ does add to diversity. Its like saying we dont need another african civ cause shaka, mansa and cleo covers africa sufficiently

In the real world, in the final the last civ was more one European. The Portuguiesish Empire.

 

[Kupe Navigator]

This game is very unbalanced,

not really?
like Jasper said " Adding another European civ does add to diversity"
Not all European culture are the same.
would you say Portugal culture is same as France? Or even its neighbor Spain?

 

[Henri Christophe]

not really?
like Jasper said " Adding another European civ does add to diversity"
Not all European culture are the same.

Yeahh, one diversity where 25% is Germanic of some extend? where more than half is european?
Sorry. I don't think so.
Civ 6 not is better than civ5 in Native American representation, for example.

 

[Kupe Navigator]

Yeahh, one diversity where 25% is Germanic of some extend? where more than half is european?

?
Portugal culture=/=Spanish or French culture.
Not all European cultures are the same
Is Zulu same as Barbers in the North Africa?