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Blind leading the blind the sequal,now DG
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Doc Tsiolkovski
Deity
Yes, next Settler should go to that lake.
Uh, we do not exactly want more Warriors - that's pointless. I for one would try to get Masonry + WC from Abe. And get up some Archers...
Capital should work as 4 turn Warrior (MP)/ Settler Factory. The new city should get rax; with that rice, it'll be a bit more productive than Rotterdam. Workers/Curraghs from Rotterdam.
Uh, we do not exactly want more Warriors - that's pointless. I for one would try to get Masonry + WC from Abe. And get up some Archers...
Capital should work as 4 turn Warrior (MP)/ Settler Factory. The new city should get rax; with that rice, it'll be a bit more productive than Rotterdam. Workers/Curraghs from Rotterdam.
IMO I don't think it's a concern. They may ask for tribute and you cave. Big deal. They're just looking for goodies and promotions. It would take at least 15 turns in my estimation for their main forces to reach us.
Amsterdam needs to pump settlers. Let Rotterdam work the warriors especially since they'll be vets. We need a worker pump next.
Amsterdam needs to pump settlers. Let Rotterdam work the warriors especially since they'll be vets. We need a worker pump next.
Doc Tsiolkovski
Deity
I'm not sure if Rome will leave us alone once they cleared out the Barbs. I wouldn't worry about them on a Pangea map, but alone with them on a landmass is a reason to not ignore them.
Especially if Rome isn't in a good spot; if we outexpand them without balanced military, we may indeed have a problem.
At least, we may not gamble in not trading a tech to them - they will most likely demand it. I don't care if Casar wants some cash, but a tech is something different.
Especially if Rome isn't in a good spot; if we outexpand them without balanced military, we may indeed have a problem.
At least, we may not gamble in not trading a tech to them - they will most likely demand it. I don't care if Casar wants some cash, but a tech is something different.
Daghdha
Absent Minded
Having Rott for worker prod makes sense not to get overpop.
Thanks for doing the map for me Tat
Thanks for doing the map for me Tat
BlackJAC
Prince
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2510BC
Give The Yanks alpha & 100g for Masonry, BW & WC
Change Rott to worker
Hamsterjam: granary>settler
2470BC
Zzzz
2430BC
Rott: worker>carragh
Make contact with Maya, no trades pos
2390BC
Zzzz
2350BC
Hamsterjam: Settler>archer
Lux down 10%
2310BC
Zzzz
2270BC
Spot barb camp NW of settler
sens Warrior from Amsterdam to protect settler/city from those pesky barbs
Up lux to 30%
2230BC
Amsterdam: archer>settler
The Hague founded north of A'dam, GH gives us map
2190BC
Zzzz
2150BC
Roman units destroy said barb camp.
We meet China, they only have wheel and we're up CB and Alpha. Trade alpha for wheel and 30g
Woo-hoo, we have mules north of The H'ge
Pink dots are horses. if we manage to grab those tiles within the red lines we'll have a good FP city. 1 cow, 1 wheat and 2 BG tiles. All we need now is for the fogged tile to contain ivory (ain't gonna happen) and we'll be laughing all the way to Rome
The pic:
THE SAVE
Give The Yanks alpha & 100g for Masonry, BW & WC
Change Rott to worker
Hamsterjam: granary>settler
2470BC
Zzzz
2430BC
Rott: worker>carragh
Make contact with Maya, no trades pos
2390BC
Zzzz
2350BC
Hamsterjam: Settler>archer
Lux down 10%
2310BC
Zzzz
2270BC
Spot barb camp NW of settler
sens Warrior from Amsterdam to protect settler/city from those pesky barbs
Up lux to 30%
2230BC
Amsterdam: archer>settler
The Hague founded north of A'dam, GH gives us map
2190BC
Zzzz
2150BC
Roman units destroy said barb camp.
We meet China, they only have wheel and we're up CB and Alpha. Trade alpha for wheel and 30g
Woo-hoo, we have mules north of The H'ge
Pink dots are horses. if we manage to grab those tiles within the red lines we'll have a good FP city. 1 cow, 1 wheat and 2 BG tiles. All we need now is for the fogged tile to contain ivory (ain't gonna happen) and we'll be laughing all the way to Rome
The pic:
THE SAVE
Daghdha
Absent Minded
--->Rome this time!Good work my Gun-Ho friend!
Admiral Kutzov
Idiot Emeritus
don't want much do ya?
@ DocT - re the earlier comments about not packing cities too tightly - cxxc ok? I hate hospitals, but a looser pattern means we'll need 'em.
The republic slinger is out of the question.
how bout shifting the proposed FP city N, NE? then we have room to squeeze a citiy in between that and Am? xpost with Dag.
Nice progress.
So the Mayas and Romans are on our continent,maybe Mao is too.
Maybe the next player(s) can trade Iron Working,so we know where
the Iron fields are and more important if Caesar can build Legionaries.
Both,the Romans and Mayas,are building the Pyramids.
So the Mayas and Romans are on our continent,maybe Mao is too.
Maybe the next player(s) can trade Iron Working,so we know where
the Iron fields are and more important if Caesar can build Legionaries.
Both,the Romans and Mayas,are building the Pyramids.
Admiral Kutzov
Idiot Emeritus
tobacco is pretty useless IIRC, +1 commerce?
@ team please post a sledgehammer if the roster changed between yesterday and today, igor is too lazy to retreive modified posts. I'm not expecting to play for at least 24 hours or more.
@ team please post a sledgehammer if the roster changed between yesterday and today, igor is too lazy to retreive modified posts. I'm not expecting to play for at least 24 hours or more.
Who knows what evil lurks in the heart of men? 
worker moves, ignoring the
Admiral Kutzov
Idiot Emeritus
that's what I think I was implying in a completely inoffensive, non-threatening manner
Me neither, but y'all already know my excuse.
You're selling us drugs?
Change friends to marks I(diot II) looked at the save. A couple notes just because I(diot II) think it's good to have everyone on the same page and it's just what I(diot II) do. Tell me to shut up if you need to.
In Amsterdam we need to make sure on "growth" and on "settlers popping" to move the citizen off the forest and to food. The key is the magic 5fpt because the shields are already monster there so no worries on that.
FYI if you don't know on the IBT the new citizen defaults to the highest production spot (forest). It's easy to get off cycle if this isn't mm'd. The lux needs to be cranked up a notch and mm'd as well. It can move back to 20% at pop 4 but back to 30% at 5.
On the trade front 3 know IW and 1 knows myst and the Chinese...well they're idiots.
We could deal for Myst if we want to give them bank and 7gpt.
As Dagh's signature says....
Do we need it? Nope.
Can we afford it? Not at Tiffany prices.
Can we trade it? Maybe. 1/2 out of 3 is just not happening.
On IW
Can we afford it? Yep. 223g from Smoke or Lincoln Log and 232g from Caesar. I would say Smoke may be the better option than Lincoln Log because if Lincoln Log knows Smoke he may sell Myst and bring the price down on myst.
Do we need it? Most important resource out there IMIO
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Can we trade it? Maybe later but not so much.
2 of 3 not bad. It would also keep from getting tributes like Bede said.
We're keeping a good pace here good job.
Last since there are two warriors by Rotterdam maybe send the one to Amsterdam and the archer to The Hague?
If DocT or Bede would like to comment if I(diot II) said something wrong please do considering I failed the barbarian quiz big time.
In Amsterdam we need to make sure on "growth" and on "settlers popping" to move the citizen off the forest and to food. The key is the magic 5fpt because the shields are already monster there so no worries on that.
FYI if you don't know on the IBT the new citizen defaults to the highest production spot (forest). It's easy to get off cycle if this isn't mm'd. The lux needs to be cranked up a notch and mm'd as well. It can move back to 20% at pop 4 but back to 30% at 5.
On the trade front 3 know IW and 1 knows myst and the Chinese...well they're idiots.
We could deal for Myst if we want to give them bank and 7gpt.
As Dagh's signature says....
Do we need it? Nope.
Can we afford it? Not at Tiffany prices.
Can we trade it? Maybe. 1/2 out of 3 is just not happening.
On IW
Can we afford it? Yep. 223g from Smoke or Lincoln Log and 232g from Caesar. I would say Smoke may be the better option than Lincoln Log because if Lincoln Log knows Smoke he may sell Myst and bring the price down on myst.
Do we need it? Most important resource out there IMIO
.Can we trade it? Maybe later but not so much.
2 of 3 not bad. It would also keep from getting tributes like Bede said.
We're keeping a good pace here good job.
Last since there are two warriors by Rotterdam maybe send the one to Amsterdam and the archer to The Hague?
If DocT or Bede would like to comment if I(diot II) said something wrong please do considering I failed the barbarian quiz big time.
Daghdha
Absent Minded
The "do we need it"-criteria for trading is IMHO something to think twice about. In some cases, waiting until you really need the stuff is bad and it can lead to short-term planning. When you're stuck there's no longer any real option but to pay the price. Lesson said waiting usually brings down the price on anything and that's good, but it can also bring down the value of your goods or make it "un-needed" for AI (buying it elsewhere and giving some other civ the cash/tech). Then the art of it is to make these facts work for you.
This is of course obvious stuff for the experienced wheelerdealer, but me I must remember not to follow the "instruction" too rigidly. Maybe the priority criteria is "profit"? If I can make a deal profitable then it's always good no matter if I need the stuff right now or not. There always seem to come up situations where you could make use of tech/lux/gold that you thought were "unneccesary". That said, first priority would of course be things you can make use of immediatly.
Just some thoughts
This is of course obvious stuff for the experienced wheelerdealer, but me I must remember not to follow the "instruction" too rigidly. Maybe the priority criteria is "profit"? If I can make a deal profitable then it's always good no matter if I need the stuff right now or not. There always seem to come up situations where you could make use of tech/lux/gold that you thought were "unneccesary". That said, first priority would of course be things you can make use of immediatly.
Just some thoughts
BlackJAC
Prince
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Something I forgot to mention in my log (last couple of turns) and I don't know if this is relevant or not, but there was a small stack of Maya warriors heading our way. They should be in close proximity to our eastern most warrior. It's hard to tell if they're heading towards a barb camp or..............
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