Boogaboo's C3C tales: tiny/small on Deity/Sid

==== BAD LUCK #2 ====...
So, I tried to manage another attack to have a chance at the high, and did it on the same turn as the high (2590BC), with less score.
This time there was no doubt I'm gonna take the 3 spearmen with 9 JAGs.. but it ain't a high.

Now, side question for whoever reads this, how do I post 2 pics in 1 post?? :confused: :crazyeye:
 

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There is a sticky in the succession game forum on uploading screenshots, and I believe that is how you post more than one screenshot, but I have never tried.
 
Ok.
I can't stand it any longer!!
I have submitted my 2 best 2590BC games (28029 and 28019).

This is like a lottery. Someone could end winning in 2710BC or even in 2750BC, but tremendous luck is needed.

If someone breaks this record and I have to come back to it, I would suggest to myself :
1. Run mapfinder for minimum 1 fur and dom limit under 310.
2. Slaves must grow the city to 4/5 and GA must begin EARLY.
3. Luck is crucial is all aspects, my attack is 1 vs various defences - restart bad games!

This way it will be easier.
Now.. well, I'm just fed up with being an automat for maps.
I go C3C Tiny/Sid (unless someone broke one of my 11 #1 records in the past 2 months.. :mischief: )
 
side note -
I went to sleep thinking if I missed anything inm mt previous post.
I realized that I'm going for size 4 capital ASAP.
This could be done even quicker than I've ever tried - with goody huts.
The capital + settler from hut + worker = size 4.
Of course this needs the luck for the setler in a map that contains fur at the starting position, yet sounds reasonable to happen.
The problem remains that this is still just the start of the lottery process...

I go now to the new maps that I got in place, to new worlds and in new settings (now C3C!).
 
Just wanted to give a preview on my tactics in C3C tiny Sid -
I ran mapfinder searching for a river to grow a large city on, and to have the agricultural extra food.

My plan is to grow to size 6/7, and only then enter a GA.
There are a few ways to do this, but I need to wait for the city size for the GA to be effective enough at Sid.

Another aspect is to trade Bronze working soon, and receive Iron working after the first war.
I can't gather enough money for mass upgrades, but 2-4 warriors/JAGs can be upgraded to sowrdsmen.
Since I can't upgrade all, I start producing archers and 1-2 spearmen early, and use some kind of SoD to take cities.
I build usually 1-2 JAGs only for the GA - spearmen/archers are better, and there are many spearmen to fight.

I have thought if I can "surprise attack" 2 nations together at Sid, but it seems pointless.
The settler advancement of the AI is too great, and dealing with 2 AIs in war is not an option.
I could hurt them both, but not enough for me to get on my feet and continue.
So, I have succeeded in eliminating the Americans once in 1910BC, but failed to attack the French effectively that game.
In any case - destroying one AI and then go to surprise the other seem to be the correct tactic.

Another serious problem I encounter is that the settlers start to go by sea at about 2000BC, and empty places are being reoccupied, forcing me to keep forces all over the map.
This fact, and the fact that the world is tiny and I always lack forces when my GA finishes makes me believe that the solution must be creating more cities, instead of relying only on my capital.
I do sometimes capture cities, but they are sometimes abndoned a few turns later (causing C3C to crash thereafter :mad: ).

So, in short, kill first AI while expanding, then amass all that's left to make a surprise blow to the second, even if it makes me wait 2000 years. (I am jewish, ya know! :lol: )
 
Well.... why theorize.... I just submitted!
Score: 24710
Date: 975 BC


Yes, I've passed tea* !

In this game I started both wars early (with GA) and gained 4 (!) slaves and techs for an early size 7 (didn't reach 15 shields, but did reach 10 to amass archers and spearmen).

Whenever peace was possible and to my advantage, I took it (when they are close to a brutal attack but willing to make peace or ready to give up much tech/cities just for peace).
Whenever it was the right moment to attack them again, I organized my forces and started a war.
This cycle has revolved about 5 times per AI to finish them off.

Iron was not in a comfortable position, which is exactly the reason I'm thinking of breaking my own record before finally moving to small maps.
There is another reason - fun! :cool:
And yet another - I'm heading right down to milking, I better know some longer games and different civs.

I got economically broke near the end, and sold all my barracks.
I could also end 2 turns earlier, if the veteran sowrdsman would kill that regular spearman hiding a settler.

Tactics I just have to try (mostly for me to keep track on me :crazyeye: ) -
1. Do the same with the Aztec on a better map (half of the maps are better..)
2. Try Mayans (Agr + Ind) for conquest. (2/2/1 + enslavement, 30)
3. Try Babylonians (Rel + Sci) for conquest. (2/2/1 +1defend, 20)
4. Try Celts (Rel + Agr) for domination. (3/2/2, 40)
5. Try Babylonians (Rel + Sci) for domination. (2/2/1 +1defend, 20)
6.... Romans good for conquest??

Thus far my thoughts.
Now to 1 - Do the same with the Aztec on a better map!
Wow.. I don't have to run Mapfinder.. ;)
 
bed_head7 said:
No screenshots! Well then, I will give you the link this time. Congratulations on the win. I have really enjoyed reading your "tales," as you probably have guessed by my responding.

How to Upload Save Games and Screenshots

Thanks!
Only part of it was known to me.

I try not to do too much jpg uploading so that I will have space for more.. :p
Specifically, in my actual highs, I usually put several saves, not just 2, so WHEN they are available on the HoF everyone will be able to load them.. until next version of 3C3.
I did it all in one run, sometimes saving and continuing (not loading!).
It was 2:22 hours, including a walk with the dog.

Here's a screenshot at 1000BC anyway! (I discovered later there were a few islands.. :lol: )
 

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bulkins said:
I've just submitted tiny-deity-aztecs-2590BC-c3c1.22
Is it the best?

Certainly! That's a mighty record! (for me to break :p )
Mapfinder will run tonight!

Congratulations on your killer-arrival to the HoF! :goodjob: :king: :nuke:
Just a few questions about your record/s :
1. You did play Deity on C3C, right? not Demigod.. (just verifying.. :cry: )
2. You must play vs 2 AIs (at least), and no loading of saves is allowed. No revealing utilities too.. Did you follow these rules? (did you read the HoF rules?..)
3. You said 2590BC. This means you have conquered all in 2630BC, and got the victory when pressing "end of turn". Is this right? (and what's the score to pass??)
4. How was using the Celts in Sid?? Did you pass me there? (I did an 975BC with Aztec yesterday)
5. Did you do these games today or a while ago, and just submitting now?

Also, where are you from??

EDIT : I can't believe it! This score, if it is legit, is phenomenal!
I can only imagine this date in C3C deity vs. 1 AI, since I tried hard on C3C demigod just to reach 2310BC, and 2590BC on deity is against my logic!
 
Well, i'm really sorry for posting the bad info.
All is true except the save/load using:)
I've read the rules but i didn't see that....
But i promise, i'll try to get the hi score without save/load:)
One question - are the save-load absolutely not permitted and how they can be checked?
 
bulkins said:
Well, i'm really sorry for posting the bad info.
All is true except the save/load using:)
I've read the rules but i didn't see that....
But i promise, i'll try to get the hi score without save/load:)
One question - are the save-load absolutely not permitted and how they can be checked?

:goodjob: :goodjob: :goodjob:
Loading is one of the most important aspects in the HoF -
You may save when ever you want.
You may load a game you saved, but only if you have stopped playing immediately after saving (save and quit).

Also, you should not do short sessions - if you start playing, at least play half an hour before saving and quitting.
I did ALL my tiny and small sessions in one run, saving, not never quitting in the middle or loading.

Loading can be checked by Aeson in the SAV files themselves, but most civvers (me included) don't really know how it works.
Please join as a legit player.

One question anyway - You loaded a lot for doing this score, right ? ;)
I was a loader once too, but I quit for the HoF.. you wouldn't want to submit loaded games to the HoF (send Aeson an apolegetic mail about you submissions.).

Also, what was your date in Sid with the Celts (with loading, I presume)?
I'm gonna change my signature :D
 
bulkins said:
All is true except the save/load using:)
This is an argument in FAVOR of a "Free-For-All" tournament! (viz. Reloads/Exploits).........the only Rule would be that everyone would use the same version of the program! (Of course No Editing of files!)

I'd volunteer to run that...........it'd be pretty easy to check the submissions! :lol:

The current HOF Rules are Great.......But Honor/Honesty is required from ALL participants.

Good game bulkins..........AND, Welcome to CFC.............World's TOP Civ Site! :)

:band:
 
No i didn't use save/load too often i think less then 20 times
And what ipressed me most of all when i finished i saw you played 12.** minutes:)
 
bulkins said:
No i didn't use save/load too often i think less then 20 times
And what ipressed me most of all when i finished i saw you played 12.** minutes:)

less than 20 times is much more effective than 0!
Many army units should have died instead of loaded I presume..

What about all my other questions?? and Eman's congratulations?
Be a sportsman - you have a future, and this is the place.
 
"less than 20 times is much more effective than 0! "
U r right here!
"Also, what was your date in Sid with the Celts (with loading, I presume)?"
Don't understand the question i didn't post the celts Sid!
But my best was around 22500
 
bulkins said:
"less than 20 times is much more effective than 0! "
U r right here!
"Also, what was your date in Sid with the Celts (with loading, I presume)?"
Don't understand the question i didn't post the celts Sid!
But my best was around 22500

You did submit the Celts, that's y I asked.
 
"You did submit the Celts, that's y I asked."
But i've submitted deity not sid!
 
bulkins said:
"You did submit the Celts, that's y I asked."
But i've submitted deity not sid!

Did too!

"bulkins Celts Sid 2004-09-05
bulkins Aztec Deity 2004-09-05 "
 
I believe Gramphos has a tool that can check on how many times a save game was loaded. I am not sure how one can tell if the loading was legit or not, surely 20 times by 2390BC would be excessive.

IOW you may have reasons to load say 6 times, with no funny stuff in a game played over 3 days. At some point the number of loads will be too large to be proper. I don't know what that point is though.
 
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