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RRRaskolnikov
Goldfish
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I totally understand, Rusten. It's been difficult finding time for Civ for me lately.
Played 11t. I intended to build another phalanx, but decided against it after our spear won that one battle. Gifted copper to Mansa instead. Athens completed the granary and built a settler. Sparta finished that one worker, then built another, while popping the first GS. It's starting on another worker, though that could change now that the GS is out. Corinth did library, then WB for Argos, then a warrior.
Research was set to Myst-Medi-PH. 2t into it, I saw Mansa teching COL, but decided to stick with the PH line. Monarchy next is as good as Aesthetics, as I have no clue what he'll research next. As it turns out, he went for Math, so might go Currency after. He's teching pretty fast, it seems. I guess 'cause he's boxed in.
The exploring WB found some little islands in the NW, but no sign of other intelligent life forms as yet.
I had to deal with one more archer afterwards, which slowed me down exploring in the south. There is a site with 2 FP and 2 desert hill golds, but no food visible yet. Ragnar's city in the west has the jungle pig in its second radius, so I'm not sure where we wanna settle there. Hill is better for defence, but the city sucks if we can't get the pig in borders. The jungle to the south is pretty seriously lacking in food.
Played 11t. I intended to build another phalanx, but decided against it after our spear won that one battle. Gifted copper to Mansa instead. Athens completed the granary and built a settler. Sparta finished that one worker, then built another, while popping the first GS. It's starting on another worker, though that could change now that the GS is out. Corinth did library, then WB for Argos, then a warrior.
Research was set to Myst-Medi-PH. 2t into it, I saw Mansa teching COL, but decided to stick with the PH line. Monarchy next is as good as Aesthetics, as I have no clue what he'll research next. As it turns out, he went for Math, so might go Currency after. He's teching pretty fast, it seems. I guess 'cause he's boxed in.
The exploring WB found some little islands in the NW, but no sign of other intelligent life forms as yet.
I had to deal with one more archer afterwards, which slowed me down exploring in the south. There is a site with 2 FP and 2 desert hill golds, but no food visible yet. Ragnar's city in the west has the jungle pig in its second radius, so I'm not sure where we wanna settle there. Hill is better for defence, but the city sucks if we can't get the pig in borders. The jungle to the south is pretty seriously lacking in food.
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shyuhe
Deity
I'm still around 
We have two shortterm tech goals, CoL for caste and monarchy for HR. Since we're halfway trough monarchy we'll stick to that. I'd have preferred to stay at zero slider until the GS is done and build an academy in athenes, instead of some bulb. Do you guys still want the academy even though we can maintain only 4t @ 100% atm? Activate trade-whore mode as sooon as available I think.
Another settler in athenes sounds fine, though I'd prefer to grow on MP units first. The current settler could go to the west for the copper/pigs spot. The new settler could go south for any good spot there might be. Sparta and maybe corinth on worker mode sounds good.
Roster
Rusten - gone (for now)
Ras - on deck
shyuhe
lymond
bbp - just played
mysty - UP
Thrar - ?
Another settler in athenes sounds fine, though I'd prefer to grow on MP units first. The current settler could go to the west for the copper/pigs spot. The new settler could go south for any good spot there might be. Sparta and maybe corinth on worker mode sounds good.
Roster
Rusten - gone (for now)
Ras - on deck
shyuhe
lymond
bbp - just played
mysty - UP
Thrar - ?
RRRaskolnikov
Goldfish
Academy: no for me. Bulbing philo should be better now.
Settling the copper/pig might design us as land target asa our border pops so I am not sure.
In the south, it seems to me we need to get a couple of cities along that river, even if it's kinda short on resources except the 2 gold in the extreme edge of the river.
We can prolly have IW in 7 turns backfilling so I would try to send both settler south (we might want to delay settlement untill we have IW though).
Honnestly it's hard choices since the land sucks before we remove jungle and we need to avoid Ragnar's dow. But later one getting all the land behind the river should enable good prospects.
Settling the copper/pig might design us as land target asa our border pops so I am not sure.
In the south, it seems to me we need to get a couple of cities along that river, even if it's kinda short on resources except the 2 gold in the extreme edge of the river.
We can prolly have IW in 7 turns backfilling so I would try to send both settler south (we might want to delay settlement untill we have IW though).
Honnestly it's hard choices since the land sucks before we remove jungle and we need to avoid Ragnar's dow. But later one getting all the land behind the river should enable good prospects.
I turned on the slider so we can potentially get a trade. It's questionable, I know.
Academy does sound best to me. We have gold, and we'll be running a couple of Sci at least. Plus, this is a relatively slow game, with little in the way of trading. We should get another GS quickly anyway.
I'm not really sure about settling. Even with IW that jungle doesn't look too great. Copper/pig is in his face, but we'll be LT pretty quickly by settling jungle, as well.
Academy does sound best to me. We have gold, and we'll be running a couple of Sci at least. Plus, this is a relatively slow game, with little in the way of trading. We should get another GS quickly anyway.
I'm not really sure about settling. Even with IW that jungle doesn't look too great. Copper/pig is in his face, but we'll be LT pretty quickly by settling jungle, as well.
Lymonds and bbps arguments outweight arguments for bulbing, I'll go with academy.
Not 100% sure on settling. I think we'll be land targets pretty soon anyway and the land down south really does suck for now. I'll do more scouting that way but I'm not sure settling the first city there is good. We can get out another 2 settlers quickly. What do the others think of that?
Plan to play in a ~6hrs.
Not 100% sure on settling. I think we'll be land targets pretty soon anyway and the land down south really does suck for now. I'll do more scouting that way but I'm not sure settling the first city there is good. We can get out another 2 settlers quickly. What do the others think of that?
Plan to play in a ~6hrs.
RRRaskolnikov
Goldfish
Go ahead! Getting the next city down in the jungle might be risky. Maybe you can split your set so we can discuss the trading once monarchy is done, before u go on a bit?
shyuhe
Deity
We're going to become Ragnar's target soon or later, so we need to make sure our border city is on a hill.
That was my thought as well shyuhe but IIRC that's not gonna happen with pig/copper site and might be a bit much to ask for any southern city, should we find a decent spot at all.
I've been somewhat sick for about a week but it's gotten worse now, I'm heading for an early night. Hope it's ok if I play tmr.
I've been somewhat sick for about a week but it's gotten worse now, I'm heading for an early night. Hope it's ok if I play tmr.
Played 10 pretty eventful turns
(IHT)
Move GS towards athenes, research to zero.
Crack the whip twice IIRC.
(1)
Slider to 100%, build academy in athenes.
Rags shows up with a settling party near pig/copper spot. No need to wait to mine it then
Move scouting WB and run into....
... toku, of all people. He only knows one of the other AIs, MM IIRC though not sure...
(2)-(3)
Build some workers, move some units.
(4)
Rags enters WHEOOH. Nobody is his WE. We share exactly 1 tile of border. Rags is MM's WE btw.
(6)
Settler arrives down south. Found another source of pigs and I figure we need it to work both gold tiles even if we split it to two cities. Plus that tile NE looks like it has some resource.
As you can see, Monarchy was done as well. I was wanting to wait with switching until the tech deals are done or we run into
.
(8)
MM is finally ready to teach us ABC
I selected currency as a placeholder. Nobody has it, COL is already known to MM. Neither rags nor toku are techtrading (big surprise there).
Rags settling party showed up west of knossos, probably going for the double fish spot I marked. He didn't settle yet though. BTW at some point I also gifted him fish.
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Without IW we have more than enough workers now.
Another settler is in the jungle between knossos and our homeland, intended for double-fish. Now I'd suggest having him sit around there waiting until rags shows up with a settler and then found a blocking city. We're at +2gpt @ 0% btw so currency and building wealth would be nice.
We just won the copper tile "near" corinth so our warrior builds switched to spears
I am intending to use that woody phalanx to scout rags and hopefully find his WE to the left of him
The scouting WB was blocked by toku at some point so headed back a little, now down south. Found 2 barb cities btw.
(IHT)
Move GS towards athenes, research to zero.
Crack the whip twice IIRC.
(1)
Slider to 100%, build academy in athenes.
Rags shows up with a settling party near pig/copper spot. No need to wait to mine it then
Move scouting WB and run into....
... toku, of all people. He only knows one of the other AIs, MM IIRC though not sure...
(2)-(3)
Build some workers, move some units.
(4)
Rags enters WHEOOH. Nobody is his WE. We share exactly 1 tile of border. Rags is MM's WE btw.
(6)
Settler arrives down south. Found another source of pigs and I figure we need it to work both gold tiles even if we split it to two cities. Plus that tile NE looks like it has some resource.
As you can see, Monarchy was done as well. I was wanting to wait with switching until the tech deals are done or we run into
.(8)
MM is finally ready to teach us ABC
I selected currency as a placeholder. Nobody has it, COL is already known to MM. Neither rags nor toku are techtrading (big surprise there).
Rags settling party showed up west of knossos, probably going for the double fish spot I marked. He didn't settle yet though. BTW at some point I also gifted him fish.
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Without IW we have more than enough workers now.
Another settler is in the jungle between knossos and our homeland, intended for double-fish. Now I'd suggest having him sit around there waiting until rags shows up with a settler and then found a blocking city. We're at +2gpt @ 0% btw so currency and building wealth would be nice.
We just won the copper tile "near" corinth so our warrior builds switched to spears
I am intending to use that woody phalanx to scout rags and hopefully find his WE to the left of him
The scouting WB was blocked by toku at some point so headed back a little, now down south. Found 2 barb cities btw.
Damn, this game is pretty rough.
We can't exactly defend both Corinth and Knossos. I guess Corinth is the far more likely target, correct? Our existing units are kinda far. It would be especially nice to get the Combat3 Phalanx back in time. We should maybe chop the forest 1NW of Corinth, in case we can counter on that tile later.
Mansa's sword is doing a great job of fogbusting for us.
No idea what to research next. Currency sounds about as good as anything. With Ragnar and Toku, we're kinda screwed for catching up. Hopefully, Toku meets Mansa soon and we can at least get IW.
We can't exactly defend both Corinth and Knossos. I guess Corinth is the far more likely target, correct? Our existing units are kinda far. It would be especially nice to get the Combat3 Phalanx back in time. We should maybe chop the forest 1NW of Corinth, in case we can counter on that tile later.
Mansa's sword is doing a great job of fogbusting for us.
No idea what to research next. Currency sounds about as good as anything. With Ragnar and Toku, we're kinda screwed for catching up. Hopefully, Toku meets Mansa soon and we can at least get IW.
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