Botwawki 2.6
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christos200
Never tell me the odds
Option 2.
J.K. Stockholme
Right Opposition
I greatly enjoy the post-apocalyptic setting, and Fallout in particular - this is a rather unique NES-type, and 50 updates later I'm still excited by nuclear roleplaying. I personally favour starting anew (especially on the promise of a harsher and more crowded game) with a BOTWAWKI 3.0 after an epilogue replacing next turn over all the other choices.
Since there's a lot of favor for both postapocalyptic and the fantasy options, let me put this out there as a choice:
Post-apocalyptic fantasy, following a massive conflict known as the Mage Wars, destroying civilizations and altering the world to great degree. Same resource management as this NES + Magic replacing Ammunition. Faction creation would be similar to what is here, but with different available choices. Pretty much the same thing as botwawki, except with a new map (and no Google reference for salvaging); and somewhat different stats.
Post-apocalyptic fantasy, following a massive conflict known as the Mage Wars, destroying civilizations and altering the world to great degree. Same resource management as this NES + Magic replacing Ammunition. Faction creation would be similar to what is here, but with different available choices. Pretty much the same thing as botwawki, except with a new map (and no Google reference for salvaging); and somewhat different stats.
Yes. That. Please.
Reminds me of Dark Sun, a D&D setting.
Also it's just less redundant than another post-apocalypses in the same location.
thomas.berubeg
Wandering the World
That could be fun, if only to not burn yourself out on Florida BOTWAWKI... But up to you, of course.
I did have a plan for a vault at The Ruins of Bongoland, as you had mentioned the other day.
I did have a plan for a vault at The Ruins of Bongoland, as you had mentioned the other day.
gay_Aleks
from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free!
To be fair...I love Fallout and all, but a BOTWAWKI-like magic post-apocalypse IOT? Sign me up, please!
TheLastJacobite
No Commies
I am similarly intrigued
So I'm just throwing ideas out here for the post-apocalyptic fantasy thing. I've got a number of ideas I would love to use that were just too "out there" for even the warped physics of the Fallout universe. At the moment I'm planning the remains of a high fantasy world putting itself together after a cataclysmic magical war which both destroyed civilization and even shattered normal time and space in some areas. I think the key differences would be the following:
1. Materials (still would be a stat), would be more collected by traditional RTS activity, i.e. mining and lumber harvesting rather than outright salvaging. An option would be to split Materials into Lumber and Ore. All of the above would be recoverable by salvaging as in botwawki too, as there would be ruined cities/dungeons throughout the land.
2. Weapons would remain a stat, but Robots would be gone. In the place of Robots, you would have Soldiers, i.e. people who only fight and defend for a living. While weapons can be created and used by any of your population, they (+Gold) are used to train soldiers to fight.
3. As implied Gold replaces Caps, but will be functionally the same, except used for creating soldiers. The market would remain the same too.
4. Each update would be a year rather than six months, due to altered scale and territory.
5. Ammunition replaced completely by Magicka, used by mage-type soldiers. Only mages would use this resource, as well as generating it each turn, and the more mages you have the more that is generated. I am considering a "leveling" system for mages, meaning that they can craft more powerful spells and generate more Magicka the longer they live and study. Magicka would also be able to be used in place of typical materials for construction purposes, making it a more versatile resource than Ammunition is.
Beyond those five changes, the foundation of the game would be the same as BOTWAWKI: Exploration of a ruined world and fighting monsters and other players for scarce resources. Here's a bit of a prototype for the setup which I just churched out based off of the existing one:
Here's a preliminary idea on what stats would look like based off of the current sample on the front page:
1. Materials (still would be a stat), would be more collected by traditional RTS activity, i.e. mining and lumber harvesting rather than outright salvaging. An option would be to split Materials into Lumber and Ore. All of the above would be recoverable by salvaging as in botwawki too, as there would be ruined cities/dungeons throughout the land.
2. Weapons would remain a stat, but Robots would be gone. In the place of Robots, you would have Soldiers, i.e. people who only fight and defend for a living. While weapons can be created and used by any of your population, they (+Gold) are used to train soldiers to fight.
3. As implied Gold replaces Caps, but will be functionally the same, except used for creating soldiers. The market would remain the same too.
4. Each update would be a year rather than six months, due to altered scale and territory.
5. Ammunition replaced completely by Magicka, used by mage-type soldiers. Only mages would use this resource, as well as generating it each turn, and the more mages you have the more that is generated. I am considering a "leveling" system for mages, meaning that they can craft more powerful spells and generate more Magicka the longer they live and study. Magicka would also be able to be used in place of typical materials for construction purposes, making it a more versatile resource than Ammunition is.
Beyond those five changes, the foundation of the game would be the same as BOTWAWKI: Exploration of a ruined world and fighting monsters and other players for scarce resources. Here's a bit of a prototype for the setup which I just churched out based off of the existing one:
Spoiler :
Here's a preliminary idea on what stats would look like based off of the current sample on the front page:
Spoiler :
Calgori
Rapture's Best & Brightest
I was intending to join BOTWAWKI, so i'm totally in this new game.
May I suggest adding a Hero mechanic? Something representing the traditional RPG characters salvaging dungeons, killing monsters and helping people...
May I suggest adding a Hero mechanic? Something representing the traditional RPG characters salvaging dungeons, killing monsters and helping people...
Great sneak peek. Some of my thoughts:
1. Elves and dwarves seem to have very isolated branches of origins and community types. I'd imagine it's still possible to create a human faction living in a Dwarven Fortress, but it's still a strange combination that won't work too well. Same with elves. For now, elven and dwarven players seem to be almost stuck with rather narrow choices.
2. I'm not very clear about the weapons and soldiers things. Can non-soldier commoners still use weapons in combat?
3. Let's say I have 30 archers. Do I choose what they're armed with besides the bow and arrows? Can I give them some suits of armor and swords to make a sort of an elite heavy archer unit?
EDIT:
1. Elves and dwarves seem to have very isolated branches of origins and community types. I'd imagine it's still possible to create a human faction living in a Dwarven Fortress, but it's still a strange combination that won't work too well. Same with elves. For now, elven and dwarven players seem to be almost stuck with rather narrow choices.
2. I'm not very clear about the weapons and soldiers things. Can non-soldier commoners still use weapons in combat?
3. Let's say I have 30 archers. Do I choose what they're armed with besides the bow and arrows? Can I give them some suits of armor and swords to make a sort of an elite heavy archer unit?
EDIT:
I also wanted to suggest this, but it may add a lot more calculation to the process, and I feel like the main reason why EQ is stopping this game is he can't keep up with the amount of data he has to process each turn. I'd love to see a hero mechanic in the game, though.
Actually a hero mechanic I was considering, as I did a similar attempt at this in a past NES with similar (but far more complex) mechanics. At the moment I'm considering having them as special Soldier units, that distinguish themselves in combat.
1. Elves can start in any of the starting settlements, as can dwarves. So not only can you have humans in a dwarf fortress, you could have elves in one too. Really, any race can have any start.
2. Yes, the weapons can be used by the Population stat, just like now, but less effectively. Also, it will "cost" a weapon to create the attached soldier. For example a Footman would require a Sword, # Gold to create. Soldiers will just be better at fighting than civilians.
3. Soldier types are determined by what you create them with as mentioned above. I'm assuming that the Soldiers will be highly specialized at whatever weapon they are given, which will make all the difference.
1. Elves can start in any of the starting settlements, as can dwarves. So not only can you have humans in a dwarf fortress, you could have elves in one too. Really, any race can have any start.
2. Yes, the weapons can be used by the Population stat, just like now, but less effectively. Also, it will "cost" a weapon to create the attached soldier. For example a Footman would require a Sword, # Gold to create. Soldiers will just be better at fighting than civilians.
3. Soldier types are determined by what you create them with as mentioned above. I'm assuming that the Soldiers will be highly specialized at whatever weapon they are given, which will make all the difference.
Now that you said that, I want to play as a bunch of dwarves living an abandoned elven enclave. It's gotta be pretty amusing.
Ok, so no retraining/rearmament after a soldier has already been trained. Makes sense.
gay_Aleks
from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free!
Conclave of Alimish, mage tower.
Ha ha ha ha, burn you foolish heathens! Magic will rise again!
btw EQ do you have a map?
Ha ha ha ha, burn you foolish heathens! Magic will rise again!
btw EQ do you have a map?
Zappericus
Euro scumbag
Yes, a map would be rather swell.
already got a HRE thing going in terms of concept faction ideas
already got a HRE thing going in terms of concept faction ideas
I have no map right now, but I am planning on one. The backstory is this: the world was literally torn apart in the war, and hastily and badly put back together by unknown sources. Unlike BOTWAWKI, the game would begin literally right after the world has been put back together. The map itself I'm intending to be a single continent, with various detached islands here and there. Due to the nature of the world being put back together, the terrain will not be consistent or realistic. For example, we may have a tundra on the equator, or swamps where there is no water access. The terrain and climates themselves will be procedurally generated as the game develops and players explore new territories. For ease of use (since we will have no Google Maps), I'll be dividing the map into numbered zones, which can be later named by players based on the terrain they discover. So all any players will have at the beginning is a boundary map of the continent and no idea what's going to happen in terms of terrain.
Zappericus
Euro scumbag
Amazing concept. I am really hyped for this game you've got planned for us, EQ. I just urge you to take it slow, don't burn out, and use the time you feel you require. Surely, Botwawki must have taken its toll, and the last thing you'd need now is a writer's block :,)
Could you perhaps explain the world a bit? we are in medieval times, but do you have an irl year equivalent? 12th century? 11th century? 14th century? Were we always in a state of feudalism, or were we quite academic and upright until the "mage wars"? how hard did we get rek'd in terms of technology/reason and all that whizz whazz
Could you perhaps explain the world a bit? we are in medieval times, but do you have an irl year equivalent? 12th century? 11th century? 14th century? Were we always in a state of feudalism, or were we quite academic and upright until the "mage wars"? how hard did we get rek'd in terms of technology/reason and all that whizz whazz
Blaze Injun
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Hey,
I'm in, if accepted.
Played in NES with a hero system before. It was really fun.
Blaze Injun
I'm in, if accepted.
Played in NES with a hero system before. It was really fun.
Blaze Injun
