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Or Sweden over Scandinavia. Or Austria in addition to Germany. The only difference is where the modern lines on a map are.
I'm surprised you think that after you read the Wiki. Is it because of Venice appearing to be replaced or do you actually prefer Italy as a whole civ instead of city-states?
I think many people don't see Venice as a viable civ because the city still exists, but under a different authority. Had the city been destroyed at some point and not become part of Italy, it would be seen as a fallen civ - which is how I see it.
I kind of see it like having all the Greek city states under one civilization. Italy had a huge impact during the Renaissance. That's why I want them. With the new culture mechanic, it would be silly to exclude what them.
Well, no. Greece does represent the Empire of Alexander, but it also represents the Poleis independent of Alexander. Hence Athens as its capital and the inclusion of Sparta. I wouldn't dismiss Sparta as an anachronism when the intent is just as easily explained as an agglomeration.
Or Sweden over Scandinavia. Or Austria in addition to Germany. The only difference is where the modern lines on a map are.
Well, no. Greece does represent the Empire of Alexander, but it also represents the Poleis independent of Alexander. Hence Athens as its capital and the inclusion of Sparta. I wouldn't dismiss Sparta as an anachronism when the intent is just as easily explained as an agglomeration.
Either Khmer or Malaysia/Indonesia would also be very welcome.
Greece is Ancient Greece. Look at the units, uniques, and cities. Byzantium is medieval Greece. There is no modern Greece in the game. Also including a separate Macedon could be considered offensive to modern Greeks, who consider the ancient Macedonians Greeks.
I believe that the "pro-civ" will be, unfortunately, the HRE.
It would have the motte and bailey as UI.
Finally, the Huns were included not solely because of Attila, but because the Huns indirectly ended the Roman empire's power and launched Europe into the Middle Ages. They had a huge impact on the world in that way.
And of course none of the CSes that could conceivably be added to the Majapahit city list (Jakarta, KL and Singapore) have yet been spotted in BNW screenshots, so the evidence for Majapahit is pretty much as strong as for Italy (aside from the scenario relevance of an Italian civ).
A Cherokee NA civ could potentially be a good late game civ, depending on what the focus is. Did the devs say that there would be 3 fan favorites, or that they just wouldn't really relate to the new game mechanics?
To my knowledge Kuala Lumpur and Singapore were relatively modern cities that were built way after the heydey of the Majapahit - it'd be sort of like having Mexico City and Tijuana in the Aztec city list or Budapest in the Hunnic city list (okay, not the best examples, but I hope that made sense). Though I'm not 100% sure.
You compare it with Greece, but I don't see people angling for an Athenian civ because the existing Greek civ doesn't reflect the cultural achievements Athens is best-known for, although this is an exactly analogous argument.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_named_after_people
Columbus is more prominent: Gran Colombia, Colombia, Columbia, etc.
Bolivar is relatively unknown outside of Latin America; whereas Columbus is known universally (except maybe a few places.) Washington appears several times in the U.S. The point is every nation gives their founders or famous leaders a certain grandeur, but that certainly does not make them on a scale of mythic, supernatural beings. That's ludicrous.
Despite that, a Gran Columbia civ would be interesting. It won't happen in BNW though. They have a mod if your interested.
What I'm saying is that you're comparing him to some mythological people, and the only other equivalent in civ is Dido, and you've seen how popular she is. So, please don't use that logic. He has one country named after him, and Hugo Chavez only named Venezuela (partly) after him for political reasons.
Finally, the Huns were included not solely because of Attila, but because the Huns indirectly ended the Roman empire's power and launched Europe into the Middle Ages. They had a huge impact on the world in that way.
It would be interesting if they ever added Mexico, as Mexico City was built atop what was once Tenochtitlan.
Past that Londinium makes a sneaky appearance in the Roman city list.
About Macedon and Ancient Greece. They are seperate civs, but as you state correctly, not in civ5. Ancient Greece, is the civilization of philosophy and local wars, whereas Macedon is the civilization of Alexander the Great conquering great parts of Asia. In my opinion they are different civilizations, but not according to the Civilization series.
Or Athens instead of Greece.
Well cultural policies aren't actually changed fundamentally in the expansion, only the benefits of culture. Poland's ability is about generating cultural policies not culture. And that isn't really a feature i would say shows off new mechanics (i believe they used the term mechanics) It may show off the new exploration and aesthetics trees, but so does playing with any civ surely?
I understand Poland can't feasibly be included in G&K with a hope of balance, but the fact is it COULD be included.
That shows how little it has to do with new mechanics.
Assyria on the other hand, cannot be added to G&K. It's change may at least seem small for now (who knows how it will play out, it could be the equivalent of the mayan pyramid), but it is a new mechanic. What's more, being the earliest building with a great works slot it is a complete showcase for it.
I think it's 100% clear that the Zulu are one of the fan favourite civs.
I also think its 100% clear that Brazil and Portugal are mechanics civs.
Poland i am 90% confident of being a fan fav civ, having no explicitly new mechanics and being the most popular european civ yet to be added.
Assyria, being the 11th most popular and having a new mechanic in its library, seems to me to be a mechanics civ. I imagine a lot of people would be a bit miffed at including it over other favs like indonesia, the sioux and co if it is classed as a fan fav
I think the key for most people is that, despite a short-lived and rather minor imperial foray, Venice was for most of its golden age a city-state.
There are 9 civs in the expansion. We know one of the top 10 fan civs (Kongo) is out, and at least four others are in. With the likelihood that the Sioux are the Native American representative, it doesn't seem a stretch at all that fan civ 11 would be a very reasonable fan-placating addition. If they just picked the top 9 we'd already know what all the civs are. I suspect there will be plenty of annoyed people if Indonesia doesn't make it in now that Kongo's known to be out, but that would be the case whatever other 'fan' civ they put in its place.
I will be one of those annoyed people if Indonesia doesn't make it. I can already foresee my rant and subsequent "Moderator Action: This thread won't lead anywhere" in the future
I'd disagree. But from this statement I suspect we have quite differing definitions of "short-lived", "minor", when Venice's golden-age was, and/or what a city-state is. I doubt we'd be able to come to a consensus.
sorry to go off topic, but i have a question about Morocco;what was the height of their empire? xD im sorry i dont know much about them.