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Brave New World's 9 new Civs

Discussion in 'Civ5 - General Discussions' started by Art Grin, Mar 15, 2013.

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  1. SolInvictus

    SolInvictus Warlord

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    Well I'm happy to see Morocco and Indonesia in the game and I'm ready to concede that Hungary will not be in but I'm more than disappointed and upset about it, more on that later. :sad: First...

    Venice is not really a bad choice but Hungary should have gotten the first choice.

    Morocco is a good choice, but whether or not its contributions exceed that of Hungary's depend on whether or not you include al-Andalus in the definition.

    I'm against it only because this was a zero sum game and the remaining European slot should have gone to Hungary. I'll elaborate on that more at some point in a thread where it will be on topic and post a link here. I don't want to sidetrack this thread. :)
     
  2. Tsar NicholasII

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    Forgive me for my ignorance but could one of our distinguished Italians tell me how far the post WWII nationalist repression went? The Allies were pretty hard on Germany but Italy, more or less, switched sides before the war ended.
     
  3. Kerath

    Kerath Chieftain

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    About Ragusa: is there the possibility to change the CS name to Dubrovnik (present day Ragusa)?

    Anyway, there are TWO Ragusas (the other being a Sicilian town). :p
     
  4. Gucumatz

    Gucumatz JS, secretly Rod Serling

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    God reading the Facebook page is awful. Do any of these people even play the game or did the just randomly stumble onto the page?
     
  5. Tsar NicholasII

    Tsar NicholasII Prince

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    It's almost as bad as reading the YouTube comments on a WWII video. Almost...
     
  6. Red Threat

    Red Threat 52ª brigata Garibaldi

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    It was more a matter of political correctness. No more discussion on the 'fatherland' or stuff like that. All the parties valued the importance of the partisans' resistance against the Axis as "true patriotism".

    After WWII there were two main parties in Italy: the Christian Democrats and the Communist Party. Both parties had their main 'national' reference in a country which was outside the official boundaries of Italy (Vatican and USSR). The communist also developed a political line called "the Italian way to socialism", which was pretty original and pro-democratic, but also patrioctic in a particular way.

    Eventually, national discourse shifted to the European level on both the center and the left.

    Finally, let me remark that patriotism has never been high in Italy, which was always characterized by a more local and regional level of "national" feeling. The Mussolinian discourse was quite artificial.
     
  7. Moraiwe

    Moraiwe Warlord

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    There is a heap of Byzantine influence on Venetian architecture. You also have the Fondaco dei Turchi which implies there was a not insignificant turkish presence.
    There's a fair amount of Venetian culture in dalmatia, crete and probably a few other islands.

    I see Venice as having been Venetian, not Italian. It became Italian over time and like many of the differing cultures on the Italian peninsula got hit hard by the education system prioritising the Italian language.
     
  8. PhilBowles

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    I'd agree that of the few remaining European civs, Hungary would have been the best option - however I suspect that Poland rather than Venice took its likely slot (same general area of Europe, one of the two European civs that could be representatives of the ideology mechanic without changing Russia or Germany - and with the civ list and abilities mostly revealed it seems that Poland is intended as the sole "ideology civ").
     
  9. Crodface

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    Yes, even still there isn't a strong sense of nationalism, aside from things like football. Italy has and still is very regionally focused.

    Even tho there are political entities who favor a divided Italy, there is still enough of a shared identify that I don't ever see it happening. Mussolini's efforts, however artificial at the time, have had a lasting impact. Italy is much more unified now than it was prior.
     
  10. Tsar NicholasII

    Tsar NicholasII Prince

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    Thank you
     
  11. Xandinho

    Xandinho Deity

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    Buenos Aires has been confirmed as a city state?
     
  12. VermelhoRed

    VermelhoRed Prince

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    Exactly my thoughts!! I'd love to have Hungary, I'd prefer them over Poland, but, since we got Poland, please, no Hungary.
     
  13. Eagle Pursuit

    Eagle Pursuit Scir-Gerefa

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    Yes. In the Rev3 video this morning.
     
  14. iwsfutcmd

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  15. sanpavlos

    sanpavlos Chieftain

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    Officially rooting for the Vandals.
     
  16. ImperialChaos

    ImperialChaos President

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    So basically South America is Inca, Brazil, and city states.
     
  17. Crodface

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    Unfortunately yes. I would love to see something like Gran Colombia.
     
  18. Xandinho

    Xandinho Deity

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    I would like to see Mexico City, Bogota and Santiago also
     
  19. Xandinho

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    Oceania is worse, a civilization and a city-state
     
  20. DeutschDachs

    DeutschDachs Emperor

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    Well now I'll be rooting for Romania as the euro civ. Not the most deserving but at least their leader exudes personality. Vlad the impaler also pushed back the ottomans and was mentioned in the civ iv civlopedia at least
     
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