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Brazil discussion thread

Discussion in 'Civ5 - General Discussions' started by DudewiththeFood, Mar 23, 2013.

  1. Nujabes

    Nujabes Prince

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    London, Washington, Beijing all well-known international cities that are instantly associated with their nation. Which city fits that description better, Rio or Brasilia?
     
  2. WChrisMullen

    WChrisMullen Warlord

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    London became the de facto capital of England in the 12th century. It's not the "official" capital today, but that's just because they've never passed a law specifying which city is the capital. But all of the government offices are in London, so that's the best indicator for which city to call the capital.

    Rio probably will be the capital of Brazil in BNW, mainly because Brasilia is a very 20th-century construction. It's associated with the modern Brazilian republic rather than the days of Pedro II and the empire. The capital of Siam in Civ V is Sukothai because that was Ramkhamhaeng's capital even though Bangkok is the capital city of Thailand today.
     
  3. Lira

    Lira Chieftain

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    Do the game developers even read 11-page long threads like these?

    I'm pretty sure taking the guesses in this thread as seriously as some people have been doing is quite pointless :p
     
  4. DeathGOD1235

    DeathGOD1235 Chieftain

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    The problem is that everyone here is excited for the expansion but none of us can play it so the only thing we can do right now is talk about it and make crazy predictions :lol:
     
  5. Imalich

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    Agreed on everything. Just wanted to point out that Bandeirantes also raped women, castrated men and robbed and ransacked towns. The only difference is that they weren't outlaws, as their actions were sanctioned by the portuguese colonists and agricultural elites, and their massacres were against indingenous (non-white) population.

    Cangaceiros also acted on behalf of the agricultural elites, as they were often paid to kill whole families that had small land properties, so big agricultural proprietors (coronéis) could "move in". The literature that sees them as "heroes from the poor" (robin hood-like figures) ignores that kind of action to a great extent.
     
  6. SamBC

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    If Wikipedia is your reference for London being the capital of the Protectorate/Commonwealth, I'm not sure it's accurate - the machinery of state was, I believe, still all in Westminster.

    Remember that Westminster and the City of London are the only cities in what's commonly called London - Greater London as a whole is not a city, merely a conurbation. Government offices are mostly in Greater London, to be sure, but the actual formal city most are in is Westminster.
     
  7. DudewiththeFood

    DudewiththeFood King

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    I'd say that Rio is more commonly associated with Brazil. Anybody who know Brasilia knows it's in Brazil but a lot more people have heard of Rio - even before the Olympics.
     
  8. Guandao

    Guandao Rajah of Minyue and Langkasuka

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    I wonder how I'll play as Brazil. Its UA seems suited for a cultural victory, but we don't know its UU/or UB yet.
     
  9. Jabberwockxeno

    Jabberwockxeno Prince

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    I'm wondering if they are going to use the native american building art, medterrien building art, or Europen building art....
     
  10. Guandao

    Guandao Rajah of Minyue and Langkasuka

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    Also their Music set, but I think it'll just be European
     
  11. Eagle Pursuit

    Eagle Pursuit Scir-Gerefa

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    Given that the UA is Golden Age driven, I would say that they will get a building that gives Happiness. Just like how the Persians have the Satrap's Court that is a bank with happiness to help them get their Golden Ages, I think Brazil will have a UB that gives Happiness in addition to its usual output.

    maybe:
    Futebol Stadium, replacing the Stadium

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    Sambadrome, replacing the Opera House
     
  12. Fabiano79

    Fabiano79 Prince

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    We still need to see how tourism really works, but right now Im thinking: Brazil UA + Chichen Itza = :king:

    I would love to see Brazil having a unique building art, but I think we will get the same of USA, european.
     
  13. Jabberwockxeno

    Jabberwockxeno Prince

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    I'm thinking they will have meddertirian art.

    Whenever I see a photo of south american architecture, it seems really meddterianan in style.

    Excuse my butchering of the word meddterianan :crazyeye:
     
  14. mitsho

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    A sambodrome UB replacing the Opera house and adding 5 :c5goldenage: points (not generic raw happiness, but more points) sounds like it would fit very well. Though that would put them into the Wide group of civs, so maybe 1 :c5goldenage: point per population. It's a good fit as it lets you get Carnivals sooner. I wonder whether Carnivals will have something that distinguishes them from other Golden Ages (a special graphic design, special music playing or so...).

    The UU that would fit into this part of gameplay would then be one that you can beeline easily and is better on defense than attack. Maybe a rifleman replacement that's in the upper part of the tech tree?
     
  15. Eagle Pursuit

    Eagle Pursuit Scir-Gerefa

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    Oh, man. If Brazil played Samba music during Golden Ages that would be awesome. I just expected a typical painting-esque splash screen for when it started, but unique Golden Age music would be so cool.
     
  16. ferretbacon

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    I've been reading the posts speculating on the Brazilian UU (some of which were very informative). Basing my opinion off of these, the Fatherland Volunteers sound like a likely candidate.

    That being said, if the developers go down the darker path and choose one of the 'raping, pillaging, murdering, enslaving' units (such as the bandeirante or the evidently terrible cangaceiro), I could see there being an interesting gameplay mechanic in there: a unique promotion, "when you destroy a unit, there is a x% of receiving a worker."

    As for a UB/UI, I also suspect it will have something to do with boosting happiness. A Sambodrome sounds plausible. I wouldn't be entirely surprised if there was something that played off plantations, however.
     
  17. Liex

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    I don't even like samba, but that would be great!

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    @Lecen: Thank you for the information and amazing pics. I think I agree with you on Brasilia as the most probable Capital and the Fatherland volunteers as the UU.

    I just want to point out that in some states (São Paulo for sure, perhaps Minas and Goiás as well) the Bandeirantes are quite romanticized, they got a lot of statues and highways named after them. Sometimes, for the game's purposes, that's all that matters.
     
  18. Veras

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    I'm very happy to see my country in the game! Great to see D. Pedro II, great to hear our language!

    But I would like to mention that Pedro's welcome is quite impolite. That's a welcome screen that I would accept for some warmonger leaders/civilizations, while Pedro II was known as a wise leader, being considered one of the most enlightened of his time (even compared to european monarchs). So it was very weird to see him giving such an antipathetic greeting. Although the scenario and him signing papers were really nice.
     
  19. Ricard.Bossle

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    Carnival lasts just for a week - very far from a "perpetual party"-, but I'm quite happy with it the way it will be in the game - Artistic license FTW.

    But while Carnival is a "National Party", known worldwide, it is not just realized on Sambodromes. Sambrodrome isnt even present in all cities in Brazil, only in the greatest cities. So, I guess it should not be a UB.

    On the other hand, today there is a Football Stadium in almost every city in Brazil. And Engenho was a very, very important 'building' in Brazil history. One of these two should be a UB - or a UI, in the case of Engenho.

    (Sorry for my poor English.)
     
  20. Arbustro

    Arbustro Warlord

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    He's not antipathetic, he is a hard working man who has little time for chitchat. I think he is very well represented, an imposing figure, with an amazing beard. Brazil will definatly be the second civ I'll try, right after Portugal ;)
     

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