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BEIRUT, Lebanon -- A suspected bomb has breached the border wall separating Gaza from Egypt, allowing hundreds to pour through.

The border has largely been closed since June 25, when Palestinian militants carried out a cross-border raid on a military outpost, killing two Israeli soldiers and capturing one.

Hundreds of people have been stranded on the Egyptian side of the border, unable to get to their homes in Gaza.

Meanwhile, Israel tightened its seal on Lebanon, blasting its air and road links to the outside world and bringing its offensive to the capital for the first time Friday to punish Hezbollah - and with it, the country - for the capture of two Israeli soldiers.

Warplanes again smashed runways at Beirut's airport with hours of airstrikes, trying to render it unusable, and destroyed mountain bridges on the main highway to Syria. Warships blockaded Lebanon's ports for a second day.

Smoke drifted over the capital after strikes exploded fuel tanks at one of Beirut's two main power stations, gradually escalating the damage to Lebanon's key infrastructure.

Lebanese guerrillas responded by firing a barrage of at least 50 Katyusha rockets throughout the day into northern Israeli towns.

The death toll in three days of fighting rose to 61 people in Lebanon and 10 in Israel. The violence sent shock waves through a region already traumatized by the ongoing battles in the Gaza Strip between Israel and Hamas.

Israel's offensive pressed ahead with several goals. Its strikes on the airport and roads and naval blockade all but cut off Lebanon from the world, while hits on infrastructure aimed to exact a price from its government for allowing Hezbollah to operate freely in the south.

At the same time, strikes on Hezbollah - including ones targeting its leadership in south Beirut - aimed to pressure the Shiite Muslim guerrillas to release the Israeli soldiers captured Wednesday and push the militants away from Israel's northern border.

But there were fears - acknowledged by President Bush - that the Israeli assault could bring down the Western-backed, anti-Syrian government of Lebanon.

Bush, in Russia for the G-8 summit, spoke by phone with Lebanese Prime Minister Fuad Saniora and promised to pressure Israel "to limit damage to Lebanon ... and to spare civilians and innocent people from harm," according to a statement from Saniora's office.

But the promise fell short of the Lebanese leader's request for pressure for a cease-fire. The White House confirmed the call but would provide no details of the discussions.

French President Jacques Chirac said Israel's actions were "totally disproportionate" but also condemned Hezbollah's attacks. He implicitly suggested that Syria and Iran might be playing a role in the expanding crisis.

The U.N.'s top humanitarian official, Jan Egeland, said Israel's attacks against transportation infrastructure violated international law and held grave consequences for civilians.

Some 5,000 Iraqis demonstrated in Baghdad after Friday prayers, praising the leader of Lebanon's Hezbollah group and denouncing Israel and the United States for attacks against Lebanon. Some protesters said they were ready to fight the Israelis.

Israeli officials said the campaign by the air force was the biggest since the Israeli invasion in 1982. The only comparable military action since then was the "Grapes of Wrath" offensive in 1996, also sparked by Hezbollah attacks.

But the casualties were mounting faster than in 1996, when at least 165 people were killed in 17 days of fighting, including more than 100 civilians who died in Israeli shelling of a U.N. base.

By contrast, 61 people in Lebanon have been killed in only three days of Israel's bombardment, mostly Lebanese civilians - including three who died in bombing of south Beirut early Friday, police said.

On the Israeli side, eight soldiers have died and two civilians were killed by Hezbollah rockets on northern towns. At least 11 were wounded in Friday's rocket attacks.

Israel says it holds the government responsible for Hezbollah's actions, but Saniora's Cabinet has insisted it had no prior knowledge of the raid that seized the soldiers and that it did not condone it.

Hezbollah operates with near autonomy in south Lebanon, and the government has resisted international pressure to disarm it - a step that could break the country apart. Saniora's government is dominated by anti-Syrian politicians, some sharply critical of Hezbollah, but the guerrilla group also has two ministers in the Cabinet.

The fighting in Lebanon is Israel's second front after it launched an offensive in the Gaza Strip two weeks ago in response to the June 25 capture by Hamas militants of an Israeli soldier, Cpl. Gilad Shalit.

Throughout the morning, Israeli fighter-bombers pounded runways at Beirut's airport for a second day, apparently trying to ensure its closure after the Lebanese national carrier, Middle East Airlines, managed to evacuate its last five planes to Amman. One bomb hit close to the terminal building.

Another barrage hit fuel tanks at one of Beirut's two main power stations at Jiye. Some parts of the capital were already seeing electricity outages before the strike, which was likely to worsen power shortages.

For the first time in the assault, strikes targeted residential neighborhoods in south Beirut, a stronghold of the Shiite Muslim Hezbollah's leadership. Warplanes rained missiles on roads in the suburbs, knocking down an overpass and damaging another.

In Jerusalem, the Israeli military said the Hezbollah security headquarters in the neighborhood was targeted by the airstrikes - but an AP photographer at the scene saw no sign of damage to the building, and Hezbollah media chief Hussein Rahal said it had not been hit.

Instead, the facades of nearby apartment buildings were shorn away, balconies toppled onto cars and the street littered by glass from shattered windows. Firefighters struggled to put out several blazes.

A young man with blood pouring down his face was shown on Lebanese TV walking out of a damaged apartment building.

"I have huge debts and now my store is damaged," said Fadi Haidar, 36, cleaning away broken glass at his appliances shop, which had an estimated $15,000 in damage.

Still, he supported Hezbollah and its leader, Sheik Hassan Nasrallah, in their decision to seize the soldiers.

"Israel is our enemy and every Muslim must make a sacrifice," he said. "As time goes by, they will all realize that Sayyed Nasrallah is right and is working in the interest of Muslims."

Israeli planes also hit transmission antennas for local TV stations in the eastern Bekaa Valley, a Hezbollah stronghold. Anwar Raja of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command said the planes attacked the towers, but did not hit the guerrillas' base at Qousaya.

Warplanes also bombed the highway between Beirut and Damascus - Lebanon's main land link to the outside world - forcing motorists onto mountainside roads to the Syrian capital. Warships shelled the coastal highway north of Sidon, slowing traffic considerably but not actually cutting the road, witnesses said.

In northern Israel, 220,000 people hunkered down in bomb shelters amid Hezbollah's rocket barrage.

At least 50 rockets hit seven towns and communities in Israel, including Safad and Nahariya - where two people were killed a day earlier. Since Wednesday, 61 Israelis have been hurt in the rocket fire.

Many Israelis were shocked Thursday when two rockets hit Haifa, the country's third-largest city, 30 miles south of Lebanon. No guerrilla rocket had ever reached that far into Israel. Hezbollah denied targeting the port city.

The Israeli offensive was causing political waves in Lebanon, with some anti-Syrian politicians accusing Hezbollah of dragging the country into a costly confrontation with Israel.

"Hezbollah is playing a dangerous game that exceeds the border of Lebanon," Druse leader Walid Jumblatt said in comments published Friday.

Jumblatt, a leading anti-Syrian figure, also denounced the Israeli attacks on Lebanon, calling them completely unjustified.

This is a dagerous game. 71 people have died for those two soldiers. I totally respect Israel and their need for retribution, but this has gone far and above that. I said it in the Harper thread, and I repeat it here, that this is going to escalate, and it's going to drag a lot of countries in that are (hopefully) trying to shut this down. And it ain't gonna be pretty, either.
 
I find Israel's willingness to cause civilian casulities very disturbing.
 
I agree that this is :
1) going to escalate dangerously and
2) is a total overreaction of Israel for the kidnapping of 3 soldiers.

I have already read speculations that Israel has used the kidnappings as an excuse to start the actions in Gaza and the war in Lebanon and I tend to believe them.

And I wonder what the real reason of the Israeli government is to start this violence.
 
Hamas and Hezbollah are already throwing the bulk of what they have. No significant escalation will come from that quarter. And no government will take overt action against Israel. So things will escalate only as much as Jerusalem wants them to, at least in the short term. There is a significant risk that the Siniora government will fall, which complicates the long term picture but means little when it comes to Katyushas.

In terms of the tactical situation, this flare-up isn't likely to change anything. But it certainly has the capacity to produce large political waves. We'll see what the G8 does.
 
Do you really think Hamas and Hezbollah are just going to sit there and take it while they throw thier last grenade at the Israelis? No, they're going to start screaming for help, and it's going to start dragging other countries in the middle east into this. Then Israel is gonna start screaming for help, and guess who's gonna get that call?
 
This is going to get really messy.

Could see some of Israel's current friends start to distance themselves a bit if they continue to be so aggressive too.
 
I agree with LR. It will only escalate if Israel decides to begin attacking Syria.
 
Truronian said:
I find Israel's willingness to cause civilian casulities very disturbing.

They're acting like a spoiled bully... Throwing a tantrum lashing out smashing whatever they possibly can with no real targets. Even the US has admitted that Lebanon doesn't really have the power or influence to reign in hezbolla.. So what are you accomplishing by smashing the crap out of that country and holding the leaders responsible for your missing troops?

Has any of it made it any more likely that they'll get their soldiers back? NO.

Has it killed a lot of people COMPLETELY unrelated to the issue? YES.
 
Turner said:
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This is a dagerous game. 71 people have died for those two soldiers. I totally respect Israel and their need for retribution, but this has gone far and above that. I said it in the Harper thread, and I repeat it here, that this is going to escalate, and it's going to drag a lot of countries in that are (hopefully) trying to shut this down. And it ain't gonna be pretty, either.

Sure, and how many Afghanistanis and Iraqis (and coalition troops, et al) have died for 3,000 American casualties on 9/11?

It seems to be a fact of life that leaders will risk more people in rescue or retribution than would be saved or had been killed in the first place.
 
IglooDude said:
Sure, and how many Afghanistanis and Iraqis (and coalition troops, et al) have died for 3,000 American casualties on 9/11?

It seems to be a fact of life that leaders will risk more people in rescue or retribution than would be saved or had been killed in the first place.

As long as those dieing are "the other".
 
Turner said:
Do you really think Hamas and Hezbollah are just going to sit there and take it while they throw thier last grenade at the Israelis? No, they're going to start screaming for help, and it's going to start dragging other countries in the middle east into this.
Hamas and Hezbollah aren't going to run out of grenades. Or rockets. Or even people, no matter how many airstrikes Israel launches. These guys are hardcore, and they think long-term. Hezbollah has no problem with an Israeli occupation that lasts 20 years. That just gives them two decades to take potshots at Israeli soldiers while bleeding the Israeli treasury dry. Win-win.

And they'll get plenty of help, just not overt help. Syria and Iran will make sure they have plenty of toys that go boom. Egypt and Saudi Arabia (along with locals) will make sure they have willing recruits ready to take the toys to the enemy. (in person, if need be) But there will be no tanks, no airplanes, no armies. No Arab government is going to take on the IDF. Why bother starting a game you know you're going to lose?
Then Israel is gonna start screaming for help, and guess who's gonna get that call?
If this drags on, Israel probably will start screaming for help, but they won't want troops or tanks or fighters. They have plenty of those. They'll want money. Lots of it. And the US will no doubt oblige.

But none of the above will change the situation on the ground much, or lead to a traditional escalation. Don't expect to see anything resembling a real war break out. You need two for that, and nobody is going to volunteer to partner with Israel. Granted, Israel could force the issue...but that would be unexpected. It's far more likely that we'll just see more of the same....a terrorist attack here, a rocket attack there, and every so often a massive Israeli reprisal, with the borders of the occupation shifting somewhat.

Nothing is written, of course. But I'm guessing the political shockwaves from this are going to far outweigh the military ones.
 
Watching BBC now, and the US and 1 other ambassodor to the UN (Israeli? I missed the intro) are talking about Syria and Iran, and how they need to be punished for supporting terrorists like Hamas and Hezbollah. This will escalate and get uglier I think.
 
You can almost hear Dr Kissinger proposing the mining of Haiphong harbor if you listen closely enough...
 
Condi brought up the 'Road Map for Peace' yesterday and somehow nobody in the room laughed.
 
How history repeats.

Arthur Koestler wrote of the Balfour declaration "one nation solemnly promised to a second nation the country of a third."

Does U.S. aid increase from $3 billion/year? I'd suggest it does for our strategic interests. :rolleyes:
 
Turner said:
Do you really think Hamas and Hezbollah are just going to sit there and take it while they throw thier last grenade at the Israelis? No, they're going to start screaming for help, and it's going to start dragging other countries in the middle east into this. Then Israel is gonna start screaming for help, and guess who's gonna get that call?

De Lorimier said:
Ghostbusters?

Don't be silly Turner has a hot line direct to the Israeli prime ministers office :)

Israel has some of the best special forces in the world, why didn't they try covert action before throwing their weight around, I wonder? OK I'm willing to bet they don't know where the captives are at the moment, but surely a few extractions of Hezbollah troops and they can begin to start trying to peice together there location?Intelligence forces should lead the fight on small terrorist cells, not the millitary, this isn't a conventional country vs country war. Anyway what do I know I'm hardly the Defense secratary or head of Mossad.
 
Sidhe said:
Israel has some of the best special forces in the world, why didn't they try covert action before throwing their weight around, I wonder? OK I'm willing to bet they don't know where the captives are at the moment, but surely a few extractions of Hezbollah troops and they can begin to start trying to peice together there location?Intelligence forces should lead the fight on small terrorist cells, not the millitary, this isn't a conventional country vs country war. Anyway what do I know I'm hardly the Defense secratary or head of Mossad.

I'd imagine they did try covert action before getting the big stick out. Either that, or they're trying to make a point here and quiet nastiness would not send the correct message.
 
If Saddam was still around........
 
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