aelf
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Ooh, look out, we have an internet tough guy here!
And yet you've only been advocating for measures to remove the former. Funny that.
[RD] War in Gaza: News Thread
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Gorbles very succinctly spoke of the hand-waving attitude that it's us vs them. Too many people, for variations of underlying problems with foresight and other elements of reasoning, are blind to where this dumb jingoism leads.
Joij21
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No I think you're wrong. I believe many people just hate current modernity and WANT to die. Kinda like suicide by cop, but instead thermonuclear exchange.
Klaus Hergersheimer
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From my brief glance at history, Ismail Haniyeh was the one who oversaw Gaza when Hamas there was in a civil war with Fatah (Mahmoud Abbas refusing to recognize his election victory in 2006). After defeating Fatah, his group then went on to begin persecuting anyone else opposed, particularly Arab Christians, until Gaza essentially became a one-party state. He then relinquished operational control in 2017 and moved on to Qatar in to join Hamas' politburo (their word, not mine), which I guess meant raising money and getting worldwide recognition. He was more than a capable leader enough already. But being in a "resistance", well, I guess it's a question of who was resisting who...
Though I'm sure his death is going to put Hamas in real turmoil certainly on the leadership level.
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Klaus Hergersheimer
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hel-lo!
New York Times reports that a bomb was planted which killed Haniyeh...and it was put there a couple of months ago:
(probably paywalled)
www.nytimes.com
By Ronen BergmanMark Mazzetti and Farnaz Fassihi
The bomb had been hidden approximately two months ago in the guesthouse, according to five of the Middle Eastern officials. The guesthouse is run and protected by the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps and is part of a large compound, known as Neshat, in an upscale neighborhood of northern Tehran.
Mr. Haniyeh was in Iran’s capital for the presidential inauguration. The bomb was detonated remotely, the five officials said, once it was confirmed that he was inside his room at the guesthouse. The blast also killed a bodyguard.
The explosion shook the building, shattered some windows and caused the partial collapse of an exterior wall, according to the two Iranian officials, members of the Revolutionary Guards briefed on the incident. Such damage was also evident in a photograph of the building shared with The New York Times.
Mr. Haniyeh, who had led Hamas’s political office in Qatar, had stayed at the guesthouse several times when visiting Tehran, according to the Middle Eastern officials. All of the officials spoke on the condition of anonymity to share sensitive details about the assassination.
New York Times reports that a bomb was planted which killed Haniyeh...and it was put there a couple of months ago:
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Bomb Smuggled Into Tehran Guesthouse Months Ago Killed Hamas Leader
An explosive device hidden in a heavily guarded complex where Ismail Haniyeh was known to stay in Iran was what killed him, according to a Times investigation.
By Ronen BergmanMark Mazzetti and Farnaz Fassihi
- Aug. 1, 2024Updated 9:39 a.m. ET
The bomb had been hidden approximately two months ago in the guesthouse, according to five of the Middle Eastern officials. The guesthouse is run and protected by the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps and is part of a large compound, known as Neshat, in an upscale neighborhood of northern Tehran.
Mr. Haniyeh was in Iran’s capital for the presidential inauguration. The bomb was detonated remotely, the five officials said, once it was confirmed that he was inside his room at the guesthouse. The blast also killed a bodyguard.
The explosion shook the building, shattered some windows and caused the partial collapse of an exterior wall, according to the two Iranian officials, members of the Revolutionary Guards briefed on the incident. Such damage was also evident in a photograph of the building shared with The New York Times.
Mr. Haniyeh, who had led Hamas’s political office in Qatar, had stayed at the guesthouse several times when visiting Tehran, according to the Middle Eastern officials. All of the officials spoke on the condition of anonymity to share sensitive details about the assassination.
Survivor bias is the only bias.
Some can be like that, yes. But I'd wager a majority of those proponents are simply deluded as to the risk.
According to who?
Joij21
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If you believe your people are the chosen race of Yahweh/Allah/God, then there's no such thing as risk. He simply cannot allow you to fail.
Farm Boy
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If nations always go on and there is only survivor bias, then nations are not the people persons.
Flawed premise. Nations don't "always go on".
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Which is only true if you forget the countries that do not survive, which is most on big enough scales.
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Neither Christians nor Muslims believe they are the chosen race (they don't even have a concept of ethnoreligiosm) and the Jewish concept of "Chosen People" doesn't mean God won't allow them to fail
Survive what? You're ignoring the context, and adopting the same flawed premise as a result... "the countries that do not survive" as an absolute, in global/historical terms, isn't the relevant issue here. That's why its a flawed premise.
The relevant point, is that I reject the argument that Israel would fail to survive if they changed their treatment/posture towards the Palestinians... and I reference that this type of argument is often used in support of perpetuating segregation/oppression and similar.
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And you're doing it again. For the record....arrest of Netanyahu was among things I suggested UN peacekeeping force should do when I talked about the, admittedly far-fetched, ways how could this conflict be resolved.
I agree with your primary point, though I may phrase it more like the chance for chance for long term survival of a Jewish state of Israel absolutely requires a peaceful settlement.
The point remains, as long as the context can be chosen it is quite easy find examples of countries and/or nations that have not survived.
aelf
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Just Netanyahu? So which individual Hamas leader do you want arrested?
And who can we give aid to make the arrest of Israeli war criminals happen?
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Targeted killing. I don't know if it's in this article, but according to a source I read he was wearing a press vest and was followed by a drone for quite some distance before being airstriked when he entered his car along with his cameraman. It doesn't get more blatant than this
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Netanyahu is the one with ICC warrant on his head. The rest...if the new local authorities can't deal with them.
You're still grasping at straws to try to make me fit your perverted image of me and are incapable of actual argumentation.
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