[RD] War in Gaza: News Thread

[Gorbles]

It's just another type of "it's good when the good guys do it".

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Treated as a massive crime against civilians by whom?

By pretty much everybody.

This is part of the problem. Westerners did not start hunting Hamas leaders

Sure we did. Like I said, the bombs being dropped, and millions in military aid generally, comes from the US and other Western countries.

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Anyhow, some news. Another journalist allegedly killed by Israeli forces.

 

[Lexicus]

Y'know, there's more to politics than just the long Arab-Israeli conflict. To my knowledge, his previous terms were quite successful economically, and he hasn't shown authoritarian tendencies until his last term and attempted judicial reforms. His approach toward Palestine was, until Oct.7., mostly conservative, but far from genocidal.

It's worth looking at the issue before trying to make wisecrack comments, you might miss the mark completely.

I actually pay attention to Israeli politics and have a clue, which gives me an advantage of approximately one (1) clue over you

Westerners did not start hunting Hamas leaders

https://www.wsj.com/politics/national-security/u-s-and-israels-unprecedented-intelligence-sharing-draws-criticism-a85979b4

If Netanyahu had decided to murder 1,200 Palestinians and kidnap others as ransom, he would be done politically.

LMAO

 

[Kyriakos]

I wonder what happened to the useless ICJ order to Israel to be cautious. I am sure it didn't imply they can kill the Hamas chief negotiator.
Then again why do you need courts if you can unilaterally execute people.

 

[Sarin]

I am still unsure just when the shift happened to where apparently now it is just fine to assassinate foreign leaders just like that. Are we in a mafia global state?
Sure, US was doing it (Osama, Saddam, Qaddafi etc), Russia was killing some agents, but Israel is neither US nor Russia. Some leaders were murdered (eg poisoned) during WW2 as well.
If it is ok to kill foreign officials (sometimes not even during war), in foreign countries you are not even in war with, then what do you imagine will happen with non-middle-eastern leaders if they are tied to a war? Will they be spared for magical reasons or will it be different then?

Assassinations of high value targets, be they politicians, generals, nuclear scientists or nazi criminals, have been Mossad's specialty since its conception and IDF scored some too, I don't know why you're only noticing now. And they're not the only ones, I remember North Koreans assassinating an inconvenient family member on South Korean soil. Oh and don't forget the Ukrainians taking a shot at Dugin and killing his daughter instead, and blowing up high ranking collaborators and occupation officials in occupied territories with car bombs. And so on...someone actually getting punished for it? That would actually be an exception.

I actually pay attention to Israeli politics and have a clue, which gives me an advantage of approximately one (1) clue over you

Preconception isn't a clue. Put some actual argument here for once....

 

[Lexicus]

Preconception isn't a clue. Put some actual argument here for once....

It's not preconception, Netanyahu has been the main force in Israeli politics whether as PM or not for nearly 30 years and it's exactly because he promised to essentially "freeze" the Palestinian issue, continue the occupation but without serious costs to Israelis in either economic or military terms. These are sort of basic facts that anyone who actually paid attention to Israeli politics would know; another basic fact is that all of Netanyahu's positions on the Palestinian question are also held by his main opposition, with parties that have different positions like the Arab List or Hadash basically on the fringe with low single-digit numbers in the Knesset.

Israelis did not elect the most extreme right government in the country's entire history two years ago because they are thirsting to make concessions for peace.

 

[Bonyduck Campersang]

Meanwhile, one side literally just had its leader murdered.

And the other side's leader was given a standing ovation

 

[Core Imposter]

This conflict goes back to even before 1948. I read tons of books on it when I was a young man, must have been the 70s. Seems no closer to resolution now. My Dad said it went back thousands of years. Many have said it will never end while this earth remains.

 

[Birdjaguar]

I am still unsure just when the shift happened to where apparently now it is just fine to assassinate foreign leaders just like that. Are we in a mafia global state?
Sure, US was doing it (Osama, Saddam, Qaddafi etc), Russia was killing some agents (ie not foreign leaders), but Israel is neither US nor Russia. Some leaders were murdered (eg poisoned) during WW2 as well.
If it is ok to kill foreign officials (sometimes not even during war), in foreign countries you are not even in war with, then what do you imagine will happen with non-middle-eastern leaders if they are tied to a war? Will they be spared for magical reasons or will it be different then?
Personally I am of the view that all that (and much, much more happening currently) are in a clear path to world war. I am amazed that so many people seem to be fine with it, expecting (it seems) that it won't harm them.

Get your facts straight.

Osama bin Laden was a wanted terrorist and not a government leader. It took years of searching to find him. Saddam was captured and tried and executed.

"...he was charged by the Iraqi Special Tribunal with crimes committed against residents of Dujail in 1982, following a failed assassination attempt against him. Specific charges included the murder of 148 people, torture of women and children and the illegal arrest of 399 others."

The Iraqi High Tribunal (IHT),[1] formerly the Iraqi Special Tribunal[2] and sometimes referred to as the Supreme Iraqi Criminal Tribunal, is a body established under Iraqi national law to try Iraqi nationals or residents accused of genocide, crimes against humanity, war crimes or other serious crimes committed between 1968 and 2003. It organized the trial of Saddam Hussein and other members of his Ba'ath Party regime.

 

[Farm Boy]

We killed Gaddafi.

 

[Birdjaguar]

We killed Gaddafi.

I did not dispute that.

 

[Farm Boy]

Yeah, but.

 

[Lexicus]

The Zionists have a long history, learned from the British, of murdering leaders in the Palestinian resistance or anyone they think might become a capable leader.

 

[Farm Boy]

Welcome to the holy land.

 

[Snowygerry]

I am still unsure just when the shift happened to where apparently now it is just fine to assassinate foreign leaders just like that. Are we in a mafia global state?
Sure, US was doing it (Osama, Saddam, Qaddafi etc), Russia was killing some agents (ie not foreign leaders), but Israel is neither US nor Russia. Some leaders were murdered (eg poisoned) during WW2 as well.
If it is ok to kill foreign officials (sometimes not even during war), in foreign countries you are not even in war with, then what do you imagine will happen with non-middle-eastern leaders if they are tied to a war? Will they be spared for magical reasons or will it be different then?
Personally I am of the view that all that (and much, much more happening currently) are in a clear path to world war. I am amazed that so many people seem to be fine with it, expecting (it seems) that it won't harm them.

The attempt at an international rules-based order has failed, the UN security council has become a joke, and each nation state can do as it sees fit as long as no other is willing go out and stop them.

That is in fact a return to the situation of 1800s,.I wouldn't say that's fine exactly, but it is not unusual, historically speaking.

Happened during the Cold War too mind you, Lumumba and UN secretary-general Dag Hammarskjöld for example, and more recently president Habyarimana in Ruanda.

It was imho. just in 1990s we believed something different was possible.

 

[Ordnael]

Israel is bad and zionism is bad and all that...but I just can't side with an organization that not only choose to make the 7 October massacre they also choose to gloat about the feat on social media. Hamas leaders deserve all that is coming for them!...but hey I'm just a monster...what do I know?

 

[r16]

war is bad . War is necessary . When the war ends those driven out by the war out of humanitarian reasons , will they be able to return ? Or will they watch a new city or whatever rising on land they used to be theirs , from a distance ?

 

[PhroX]

Israel is bad and zionism is bad and all that...but I just can't side with an organization that not only choose to make the 7 October massacre they also choose to gloat about the feat on social media. Hamas leaders deserve all that is coming for them!...but hey I'm just a monster...what do I know?

As long as you agree that Hamas killing the military and political leadership of Israel in the same way would be an equally good thing, I'm fine with you being happy with this assassination.

 

[Bonyduck Campersang]

Like this is a passage I read just today:


So Hamas wants a ceasefire where the war is ended (so radical) and Israel doesn't want one. So how does Israel blame Hamas for lack of progress in negotiations when Netanyahu says they have no interest in a ceasefire?

The second paragraph admits as much so what's the point of the first one?

From the BBC:

In recent weeks the Americans have said that it was getting closer. That was always hard to imagine while the two sides’ definitions of an acceptable ceasefire were so far apart. For Hamas, a ceasefire meant an Israeli withdrawal and the end of hostilities. For Israel, it meant a pause that allowed for the release of some or all of the surviving hostages, and the right to resume the war afterwards.

Yeah that's not what a ceasefire is

 

[uppi]

From the BBC:



Yeah that's not what a ceasefire is

A temporary suspension of hostilities is exactly the definition of a ceasefire.

An end to a war is called a peace

 

[Ordnael]

As long as you agree that Hamas killing the military and political leadership of Israel in the same way would be an equally good thing, I'm fine with you being happy with this assassination.

I am not happy that someone died, I am not happy Israel killed his family first either. I hate death even if it's from someone I don't particularly care about. I am "very happy" Ukraine has been able/allowed to somewhat prevent being taken, against the wishes of the majority of their population, into the fold of the Russian Federation but everyday I remind myself of the sadness I feel that many people are dying for this, people way younger than me. The world is brutal and I am still too naive!