Bts "DUNE WARS" {Development Thread}

[Phoenician]

I agree, the second one looks best, although if you have the new dune, you might want to use one of their worm shots as a base as it is a bit more 'vibrant'. I do love the religous victory one, god is definatly on your side. However for the first one, worm vs Sardaukar, no chance for the sardaukar.

naw, the worms in the dune miniseries look ultra-fake. I'm not only a Dune fan, but I'm just as equally a David Lynch fan. I have all his films on DVD and some of the soundtracks. I really hated the Dune miniseries, children of dune was "ok", but for the most part it was crappy acting, super-ridiculous costumes, and unimaginative/bad CGI.
This worm looks real and actually looks like a sandworm should. The miniseries sandworm looks like vomit on a phallic object lol.

by the way, most people prefer the Lynch version over the mini-series by a long shot, especially people who read the book/s.
See for yourself on netflix.

I know that the miniseries tried to stay true to the book, but the Lynch version captured the essence of Dune and had Frank Herbert's approval-and it is fairly accurate to the book.

 

[keldath]

thanks p.

great work.


i also prefer by far the lynch version, much better the the ridicules miniseries,
indeed lynch captured the dune essence ,
lets hope the 2010 dune will be awesome.

gnite y'all.

 

[Ajidica]

I prefer the new Dune as it is:
a)The first one I saw, so I will always be equating the characters with what I remember from that film, plus William Hurt does a great job as Leto
b)The Baron is much better, always how I envisioned him, bit of a cross between Saruman a sadist, the old one was just too over the top.
c)As to the costumes, I prefer them over the old one too, you have to love their really out their headdresses. Remember, at absolute minimum, the book takes place 10,000 years from now, and more like 20,000 as the Butlerian Jihad has to take place. Fasion changes, just look back a couple hundred years even. Also, the new Mohiam looks cooler than the bald one.
d)As to the plot, the old one did simplfy it, as in 'I am Stilgar, leader of the Fremen, we now accept you as our Muad'dib.) Plus the new one has more of a focus on Irulan and I actualy like the person who plays IRulan.
e)The animation is cheesier, but the colors are much more vibrant, not as subdued. Remember, they were also acting on a tighter budget. Lastly, I saw the movie either right around or before I had actualy read Dune (I read the prequels before Dune) so my view of Dune is heavily biased to the new Dune.

EDIT: Oops, I didn't intend for it to end up this long.
As to the 2010 Dune, lets hope the Director takes lessons from both Dunes and doesn't turn it into a version of the Eragon movie. (The book was above average fantasy, but the movie was designed with the sole purpose to sell video games)

 

[Phoenician]

Your a purist, you like accuracy. And I can understand how some people can be turned off by Lynch's weirdness style called "Lynchian". Dune 84' is very Lynchian.

Dune 84' is either a movie you love or hate. I know this from experience from recommending this to friends over the years.

Although, the new series, while it tries to stay true to the book makes wild turns at the most obvious things. Like why is Paul Atreides in the miniseries a spoiled brat? In the book he was a highly disciplined, respectful young man-just like in the Dune 84'.
In the book, the Baron is how I visioned him in Dune 84', really gross, fat and ruthless. The miniseries Baron was just an overweight guy whose death scene was amongst the most horrid acting scenes I have ever seen. If we look at little things like Alia, the 84' version was much more of an abomination as portrayed in the book-she even had a lisped as described in the book. The miniseries Dune Alia acts like a regular child.

Dune 84' captured the essence and overall much more faithful to the book even though the mini-series claims to be faithful.

As to the future Dune film, I hope my prediction is wrong, but I am gonna guess that it will stink, stink badly. David Lynch is hard competition to beat.

But anyway I hope this MOD get's finished soon, I'm going to Turkey in about a month and a half from now. I understand we have to do extensive testing and all, and I will be a tester for sure. But I hope we can at least get to the testing stage before I leave to Turkey, I want to play this MOD so badly.

 

[Ajidica]

Meh, the acting wasnt bad, both movies played to their strenghts. With the exception of the Harkonnens and the bald Bene Gesserit, I loved the atmosphere of Lynch Dune. Regardless, debating the pros and cons of each movie will get us nowhere. (Still, Fremen with guns?) Keldath, I seem to recal somewhere you said that you would like Heros in the mod, if not they would be an excellent addition. Examples.
Corrino:
Princess Irulan: visible spy that when in a opposing capital over time you get better relations with them.
Count Hasimir Fenring: Spy that can temporarily throw a city into anarchy or a loki like mechanic from FfH
Atreides: (They will have alot)
Gurney Hallak: Spy/warrior hybrid that can give a promo 'Inspired/Morale' that is removed after combat.
Thufir Hawat: extra visibility able to reveal all invisible
Duncan Idaho: excellent close-combat warrior that can train units. (In the book, IIRC he killed 19 Sardaukar, which is impressive when on average a Sardaukar was worth 3 normal soldiers.
The Lady Jessica: Can be sacked to make a building which occasionaly spawns low ranking bene gesserit sisters and gives a bonus to any heros or limited units trained in said city.

Harkonnens:
Piter deVries: excellent spy that can assasinate heros and cause rebellions
Feyd-Rautha: I really dont know.
Glossu Rabban: auto-creates a building in the city he is in. 'Brutal', -x food, -x happines and health, +x spice. (The baron told him to completly squeeze Dune)

Fremen:
Stilgar: dont really know, but if killed, fremen loose traits.
Othym: FfH like 'recruit' ability
Farouk: excellent close-combat fighter
Any other well known fedaykin?

Jihad Fremen:
St. Alia of the Knife: inspires populance
Korba the Panygyrist: +happines in a city
Any other important ones?

All the rest I don't know enough about.
Out of curiosity, where in turkey are you going? I've always wanted to visit Istanbul.

 

[Phoenician]

Out of curiosity, where in turkey are you going? I've always wanted to visit Istanbul.

I'm going all over the country. I'll be there for almost a whole month.

 

[keldath]

hey guys,

well,
as for the miniseries, basicly i enjoyed watching it, but, i cuoldnt stand the louasy setting, the
whole thing was done in studios, the running scenes looked like crap, the desert in the back of the actors looked like a 12 year ol girl made the movie, it pissed me of alot,
sure the acting wasnt that bad, the baron was good, even alec ginnes did a convincing muadib i think.
the thing that i hated the most, that in the end - it didnt rain, and paul didnt use just hes voice to blow up fades organs.

i can see the lynch one 100 times and each time understand somthing new .

heroes:
yes ive thought about this, i will make hero units cuase i like this idea, but, it will be probably be at a later stage.

i cant say we'll finish the mod in a month, i have alook of university crap coming,
but, ill do my best,
theere wont be a reall need for testing, im testing the game with autoai, when finished ill do some games wit it and release, the feedback we get from people will be for the next version.
the mod is greatly based on my overlord mod files, so, its pretty much stable.

turkey...
up until a few month, israelis roamed all around turkey,

khemer, marmaris are excellent places, its a beutyfull country, but be alert and never sleep on your guard, things happened before, ill remind you its the middle east (.

 

[Phoenician]

keldath, you have anything for me to do?
when can i get the latest version of the game?

 

[keldath]

hey p,

well,

theres plenty to do,

depends what you wish to do,

you have bsicly covered the art work for the time being,
later , i might want you to recreate the terrain, its just changing a dds file, say change a brown color to green ..., but ill think ill wait with this,

if you want, you can do more xml - maybe create more new buildings , try to fill up the tech with more buildings - how about that?

 

[Ajidica]

Keldath, the new one does follow the book more closely. In the book, it only started raining in a later book, besides, if it were to rain, the spice cycle would stop as the worms would be killed, and the worms are need for the spice. We still have to remember, smaller budget. (I also don't know if the budgets on wikipedia take into account inflation)

If you have dled my diplotracks, and if you want, I can start work on the full soundtrack. I'll include all of the tracks except for the ones that don't fit. (The electric guitar Lynch Dune and the ones where people are speaking.)
Phoneican, good luck in Turkey.

 

[Phoenician]

Keldath, the new one does follow the book more closely. In the book, it only started raining in a later book, besides, if it were to rain, the spice cycle would stop as the worms would be killed, and the worms are need for the spice. We still have to remember, smaller budget. (I also don't know if the budgets on wikipedia take into account inflation)

If you have dled my diplotracks, and if you want, I can start work on the full soundtrack. I'll include all of the tracks except for the ones that don't fit. (The electric guitar Lynch Dune and the ones where people are speaking.)
Phoneican, good luck in Turkey.

OMG NOOOOO. I love the electric guitar song!!! Leave it in!!

@Keldath, I'll work on terrain features. A lot of things seem out of wack. If I can think of any buildings-it might be a handful of buildings for very late in the game. Ill have to refer to my book and think about it for awhile. So it is Dune -accurate and is balanced.

I would recommend changing the name of gold to "Solaris". Solaris is the currency in the Dune universe.
No need to change the name of commerce though.

If you need ideas for resources, according to the book, these resources exist on Arrakis:
Saguaro
Incense Bush
Burro Bush
Date Palm
Sand Verbena
Evening Primrose
Barrel Cactus
Smoke Tree
Creosote Bush

These animals are found on Arrakis:
Desert Hawk
Kit Fox
Kangaroo Mouse

Imports to Arrakis from other planets:
Donkeys
Horses
Cows
Lumber
Dung
Shark
Whale Fur
Pundi Rice
Ecaz Art
Machines from Richese and Ix

 

[Ajidica]

I agree the electric guitar songs are awsome, but they really date the movie. They also don't fit quite as well. However, since we both apparently love them, they will be in as the victory and defeat song. (Desert as victory and hand as defeat.)
The imported donkeys are called kulons, sligs would also work as a food. Apparently they are a delicacy but the Tleilaxu never eat them. Sort of like their eyes. I'm also not sure about including lumber, wouldn't plazsteel and plazcrete work better, as I don't recall any mention of lumber in the books besides a few pieces of off planet art.
Theres also poverty grass and oranges/portyguls found in fremen ecological stations. Im thinking that alot of the resources (especialy for the Houses) should be buildings as they are importing stuff.

 

[keldath]

Ajidica,

humm well if your up to it..you are welcomed to do the sound track,
and by the way, i like the speach parts, like you did with the harkkonens.

Phoenician,
well if you wanna work on the terrian, you can use the files ive sent you, just go to the art of the terrain and change the dds files.

yes i agree, i was intending to change the gold to solaris, i played dune 2 alot when i was younger.

the names for resources are excellnt! thanks, although i already filled this part, but im gonna chnage those according to your suggestions, cause some of what ive made are just some words from dune .....

as for imports ill use some too.

Ajidica,
i used "slig" as a type of resourxe, dont remmber which right now.

i didnt know it only rained later in arrakis,
i read that dune becomes a rich plant planet after the worms are gone, thats all.

still, the effect of paul blusting fades internal organs without the wheirdling module added to the messiah role and the feeling of the ending scene, made paul more then just a man in the right place like the paul in the minisereis.

**
its the weekend! finally ill do some modding a bit.

 

[Phoenician]

Keldath, could you send me a copy of the terrains folder for Dune Wars, I screwed up and the game crashes and i accidently saved the files into my backup folder.

Or better yet, just send me the whole version of the latest Dune Wars. I cant do anything now because my Dune Wars is basically broken.

 

[Ajidica]

I'll do the soundtrack later. I have the AP National Exams coming up on the 8th and I have a research paper to write due in a few weeks. If I have time I'll start converting it.
As to correct a few things that the movie got wrong, I'm putting it in spoilers.

Spoiler :

1. It raines at the end of Dune Messiah when Paul looses his sight.
2. Paul kills Feyd normaly, he refuses to use the Bene Gesserit word that would freeze his body.
2 1/2. Fenring actualy was able to kill Paul when he beat Feyd, but he refused to follow shaddams order.

EDIT: As to the Harkonnen speach parts, all I did was keep the track as it was. I wont be including the track in the soundtrack with the barons voice as it is a bit jarring.

 

[CivalGanjaman]

Hi guys just wondering what you guys use to edit XML? Im looking to write some programs to help out but there could already be some for almost everything so if there's anything XML wise that feels like it can be automated that isnt then let me know?

sorry to hijack just looking for a still in development XML stage mod to ask

 

[Ajidica]

Well, using notepad works well for basic stuff, some people use Notepad++, XML Marker, or XML Spy.

 

[keldath]

Phoenician,
sure ill send you tommorow the latest.

Ajidica,
study hard...i know civ can be a factor sometimes thats draw you in instead of learning

thanks for the spoilers, i wasnt aware, i will read the books in the near future.


CivalGanjaman,
well, i use winmerge, many modders here use it, its really comfortable, and its free.

 

[keldath]

hey guys,

happy to report i finished editing the resources and improvment values,

except a model for fort,goodyhut and village to town models, all values, techs and attributes are complete.

m headed on to the buildings now.


******
well,
no dougt, Phoenician did a hell of a job with the buildings,

ive finished assigning 2 uniqe buildings for all of the houses,

now im positioning all the buildings across the tech tree,
then manage the values of the untouched buildings and connect some bonuses with buildings.

after that, im doing the religions and corporations.


we now really have more then half of a mod people, sooon enough version 1 will be released to the world.

 

[Phoenician]

Where has Melinko gone?
Did he finish all the worm stuff?
We can't have a Dune mod without worm stuff, it would be make no sense.