Tunch Khan
King
Will you consider adding Varietas Delectat to your mod for the extra flavor unit graphics?
[BtS] "Extra"
- Thread starter Chiyu
- Start date
Sword_Of_Geddon
Arbiter of the Sword
I already gave Chiyu a version of Extra with the VD mod added. But its up to him to update it to version 3.13. Haven't seen or heard from him in awile....
smeagolheart
Monarch
Is anyone up to patching this great mod to 3.13? Chiyu has been AWOL for a while now.
Has it occurred to anybody that perhaps Chiyu dear fellow is AWOL precisely because he is updating this Mod?
Fortunately for me, my Custom Assets were not affected by the 3.13 patch, but it still took me a day just to go through and verify. And my Assets are minor compared to the "Extra" Mod.
It seems to me that by the 2.9.1, a great deal of material is present. Material that cannot be updated in just a few days. It took the man two months to get to the latest version as it is. With the changes in 3.13 extending beyond the CVcoreDLL to the XML and even Python, including the XML of individual official scenarios, I imagine that he pretty much has to go back and replace everything. Or hunt and peck through the material that isn't changed for the material that is.
This includes all of the sub-mods he's inserted. All of those have to be updated, and possibly by their creators. And speaking of units, there are quite a few in this rendition of the game. Consider that Chiyu reports that it sometimes takes a long time to transfer unit data from another scenario.
Then there's the balance issues. He's probably going to play a few 3.13 vanilla games just to experience the new effects. Notice that the guy disappeared right around the time this patch came out.
Patience, grasshoppers. We may yet hear from the originator by, oh, Halloween, perhaps early November. Anybody who is up to updating this mod on their own is probably in for weeks of work.
Fortunately for me, my Custom Assets were not affected by the 3.13 patch, but it still took me a day just to go through and verify. And my Assets are minor compared to the "Extra" Mod.
It seems to me that by the 2.9.1, a great deal of material is present. Material that cannot be updated in just a few days. It took the man two months to get to the latest version as it is. With the changes in 3.13 extending beyond the CVcoreDLL to the XML and even Python, including the XML of individual official scenarios, I imagine that he pretty much has to go back and replace everything. Or hunt and peck through the material that isn't changed for the material that is.
This includes all of the sub-mods he's inserted. All of those have to be updated, and possibly by their creators. And speaking of units, there are quite a few in this rendition of the game. Consider that Chiyu reports that it sometimes takes a long time to transfer unit data from another scenario.
Then there's the balance issues. He's probably going to play a few 3.13 vanilla games just to experience the new effects. Notice that the guy disappeared right around the time this patch came out.
Patience, grasshoppers. We may yet hear from the originator by, oh, Halloween, perhaps early November. Anybody who is up to updating this mod on their own is probably in for weeks of work.
bmarnz
Prince
Well, I used extra mod for the base of my mod, and have my mod running on 3.13.
bmarnz
Prince
Here's a patch to run Extra Mod on BTS 3.13. Also includes Bhruic's unofficial patch.
Extra Patch BTS 3.13
Extract in Beyond the Sword\Mods\Extra folder.
Extra Patch BTS 3.13
Extract in Beyond the Sword\Mods\Extra folder.
smeagolheart
Monarch
Thanks as well Bmarnz. 
One interesting idea is the "Worlds Tallest Building" which should emerge around the time of the industrial revolution. When you build this national mod until another country builds one, you get a special economic/culture bonus.
When another nation builds this wonder, the flag for this achievment goes to them.
Dubai is about to complete the latest 'tallest' building long since eclipsing the Empire State Building. Countries seem to compete with this wonder.
I think the national wonder should continue to cost the exact same amount to build, because presumably building techniques and engineering ability continue to evolve to do more with less. (also just to make it simple to add)
When another nation builds this wonder, the flag for this achievment goes to them.
Dubai is about to complete the latest 'tallest' building long since eclipsing the Empire State Building. Countries seem to compete with this wonder.
I think the national wonder should continue to cost the exact same amount to build, because presumably building techniques and engineering ability continue to evolve to do more with less. (also just to make it simple to add)
Thanks! See what patience brings? People who volunteer.
Adam7Eight
Emperor
Sweet. Thanks marnz. 
Chiyu
Prince
Hey all,
Sorry for not replying earlier. I've been busy with a number of other projects, and just when I thought I could start working on the new version, the flu got me so I was out for another week. Thanks for your patience.
Anyway, the best approach I can think of is to start over from scratch and re-add all the features that I want to keep, and modify them if possible. This gives me a good opportunity to look carefully at the balance as well, and it will keep bugs to a minimum! Maybe I'll add a few new units/buildings/technologies along the way too. As promised, unique units for all civilizations will be added as well.
This is also a good opportunity for others to give criticism or feedback on the existing features and say which they would like to see changed or removed (don't talk about adding new features please, cut me some slack
).
I understood that for example, people would rather see the Theatre of Dionysus give no unhappiness in one city instead of giving two artists. Maybe there's more?
In the next reply, I'll post a list of all current features (sorted thematically instead of by version), so people can easily reflect on them.
Sorry for not replying earlier. I've been busy with a number of other projects, and just when I thought I could start working on the new version, the flu got me so I was out for another week. Thanks for your patience.
Anyway, the best approach I can think of is to start over from scratch and re-add all the features that I want to keep, and modify them if possible. This gives me a good opportunity to look carefully at the balance as well, and it will keep bugs to a minimum! Maybe I'll add a few new units/buildings/technologies along the way too. As promised, unique units for all civilizations will be added as well.
This is also a good opportunity for others to give criticism or feedback on the existing features and say which they would like to see changed or removed (don't talk about adding new features please, cut me some slack
).I understood that for example, people would rather see the Theatre of Dionysus give no unhappiness in one city instead of giving two artists. Maybe there's more?
In the next reply, I'll post a list of all current features (sorted thematically instead of by version), so people can easily reflect on them.
bmarnz
Prince
Welcome back.
I supplied a patch to run your mod on 3.13 while you were away. You might want to put a link for it in your first post until you get a new version up and running. (post #246)
I supplied a patch to run your mod on 3.13 while you were away. You might want to put a link for it in your first post until you get a new version up and running. (post #246)
smeagolheart
Monarch
Hey all,
Sorry for not replying earlier. I've been busy with a number of other projects, and just when I thought I could start working on the new version, the flu got me so I was out for another week. Thanks for your patience.
Anyway, the best approach I can think of is to start over from scratch and re-add all the features that I want to keep, and modify them if possible. This gives me a good opportunity to look carefully at the balance as well, and it will keep bugs to a minimum! Maybe I'll add a few new units/buildings/technologies along the way too. As promised, unique units for all civilizations will be added as well.
This is also a good opportunity for others to give criticism or feedback on the existing features and say which they would like to see changed or removed (don't talk about adding new features please, cut me some slack
I understood that for example, people would rather see the Theatre of Dionysus give no unhappiness in one city instead of giving two artists. Maybe there's more?
In the next reply, I'll post a list of all current features (sorted thematically instead of by version), so people can easily reflect on them.
Hi. I really like what you have with Extra, in fact I begged Marnz to patch it up to 3.13 while you were out!
A 2nd UU would be nice and maybe incorporating Varietas mod. I like the Raider units hidden nationality but they seem a bit weak, by the time I can build them they are no match for the AI's defenses at all.
But I don't think you have to change much if anything! I think Theatre of Dionysus is fine as is, there's already a national wonder for the no unhappiness thing, sometimes it's nice to have a city that can pump out more culture (extra artists) to help force back the neighbors borders. Thanks again for Extra
Chiyu
Prince
Pending features for 3.0:
(note: features in red are the features I'm not satisfied with in their current form, either because they may be overpowered or just don't really add anything original, so any comments on the way they should be implemented would be nice!)
Technologies
- Biological Warfare, from Next War (BtS) - unaltered
- Shielding, from Next War (BtS) - unaltered
- Cloning, from Next War (BtS) - unaltered
- Bionics, from Next War (BtS) - unaltered
- Cold Fusion, from Next War (BtS) - unaltered
- Cybernetics, from Next War (BtS) - unaltered
- Advanced Shielding, from Next War (BtS) - unaltered
- Advanced Sailing, from Peloponnesian War (Warlords) - unaltered
- Improved Formations, from Peloponnesian War (Warlords) - unaltered
Units
- Biological Warfare Missile, from Next War (BtS) - unaltered
- Clones, from Next War (BtS) - unaltered
- Automatons, from Next War (BtS) - unaltered
- Dreadnought, from Next War (BtS) - unaltered
- Cyborg, from Next War (BtS) - unaltered
- Assault Mech, from Next War (BtS) - unaltered
- Peltast, from Alexander the Great (Warlords) - unaltered
- Prodromoi, from Alexander the Great (Warlords) - added copper as a prerequisite
- Heavy Swordsman, from Charlemagne's Wars (BtS) - requires Improved Formations
- Horseman, from Charlemagne's Wars (BtS) - renamed to Horseman, buffed a little, requires Improved Formations
- Papal Pikeman, from Charlemagne's Wars (BtS) - nerfed a little, builder of the Apostolic Palace can build up to three
- Light Tank unit from Road To War (BtS) - altered the stats a little.
- Heavy Tank unit from Road To War (BtS) - altered the stats a little.
- Chinese Cannon from Chinese Unification (Warlords) - renamed it to Hand Cannon, impossible to build these, but the player who researches gunpowder first receives one for free
- Raider from Crossroads (BtS) - gave it different graphics so it's not a copy of the Carthagian UU
- Supply Train, from Charlemagne's Wars (BtS) - requires the Wheel & Feudalism, has Medic 1 and[/b] Medic 2
- Winged Hussar, since Poland needs an original UU - added text strings for all languages
- Huszár Cavalry, since Hungary needs an original UU - added text strings for all languages
Promotions
- Desert Adaptation promotion, from Genghis Khan (Warlords) - buffed it a little to make it more useful
Buildings
- Biological Warfare Lab, from Next War (BtS) - unaltered
- Arcology, from Next War (BtS) - unaltered
- Arcology Shielding, from Next War (BtS) - unaltered
- Advanced Shielding, from Next War (BtS) - unaltered
- Cloning Factory, from Next War (BtS) - unaltered
- Mind Control Center, from Next War (BtS) - unaltered
- Well, from FfH: Age of Ice (BtS) - made it cheaper and available with masonry so it's not just a clone of the aqueduct, gave it slightly different graphics so it doesn't have the icey theme
- Archery Range, from FfH: Age of Ice (BtS) - but gave it slightly different graphics and different text to fit better
- Ancient Drydock, from Peloponnesian War (Warlords) - renamed it to Shipyard and assigned it to Advanced Sailing, obsolete with steel
- (classical) Military Encampment, from Peloponnesian War (Warlords), lets you build units 20% faster, obsolete with Gunpowder
- (medieval) Military Encampment, from Charlemagne's Wars (BtS), renamed it to Military Fortress, lets you build units 30% faster and gives +1 exp to melee units, obsoletes the old Military Encampment, obsolete with Gunpowder
- Spichlerz, since Poland needs an original UB - added text strings for all languages
- Jurta, since Hungary needs an original UB - added text strings for all languages
National Wonders
- Centers for Disease Control, from Next War (BtS) - replaced the button
- Trading Company, from Rhye's and Fall of Civilization (BtS) - unaltered
- High Walls, from Peloponnesian War (Warlords) - made it so that they never go obsolete
World Wonders
- Sun Tzu's Art of War, from Chinese Unification (Warlords) - doubled it's cost from 220 hammers to 440 hammers, +25% great general growth rate, obsolete with Assembly Line
- Underground Tomb, from Chinese Unification (Warlords) - doubled it's cost from 250 hammers to 500 hammers, nerfed it a little (+1 free specialist AND -75% war weariness is a bit too much, so I removed the free specialist), obsolete with Constitution
- Wembley, from Rhye's and Fall of Civilization (BtS) - doesn't replace Broadway anymore (since I think that musicals and sport events should both be properly represented)
- Plato's Academy, from Peleponessian War (Warlords) - +1 hammer for each scientist specialist, allows you to put three additional scientists in its city
- Theatre of Dionysus, from Peleponessian War (Warlords) - +2 great
- Leaning Tower, from Rhye's and Fall of Civilization (BtS) - +100% great people growth (for its city only!) and +1 happiness from every 20% culture in its city
- Flavian Amphitheatre, from Greek World (Vanilla) - free Shock promotion for every new unit, obsolete with gunpowder
- Ishtar Gate, from Greek World (Vanilla) - allows you to teleport (airlift) one unit to another city every turn, added text strings for all languages
- Reichstag, from The Road to War (BtS) - serves as a second Versailles (another palace), added text strings for all languages
- Big Ben, from The Road to War (BtS) - serves as a second granary; stores +50% food in its city, means that this city will grow every turn!, added text strings for all languages
- Torii, from The Road to War (BtS) - +1 gold for every water tile in its city, free Navigation I promotion for every ship constructed, added text strings for all languages
Bonuses
- Olives, from Peloponnesian War (Warlords) - unaltered
- Cotton, from Chinese Unification (Warlords) - unaltered
- Tea, from Chinese Unification (Warlords) - unaltered
- Salt, from Chinese Unification (Warlords) - changed the resource's graphics, used a new button
- Hit Football Event, from Rhye's and Fall of Civilization (BtS) - doesn't replace Hit Musical anymore
Improvements
- Olive Press, from Peloponnesian War (Warlords) - finished it (it wasn't complete yet), constructible with Monarchy
Civics
- Absolutism (Government), from Chinese Unification (Warlords) - available with Divine Right, instead of Engineering and nerfed in an attempt to balance things
- Judicial (Legal), from The Road to War (BtS) - available with Code of Laws (a wink to Justinian's law code)
- Independent Farmers (Labor), from Chinese Unification (Warlords) - available with Liberalism, made a little stronger by changing the Civic Upkeep to NONE
- Barter Economy (Economy), from Chinese Unification (Warlords) - made a little weaker by adding a +25% multiplier for "distance to palace", moved to Advanced Sailing for balance reasons
- Shamanism (Religion), from Chinese Unification (Warlords) - available with Priesthood, made a little weaker by decreasing the cultural bonus from 25% to 10%, and a new button because I don't want it to use the same button as Organized Religion
Leaders
- Adolf Hitler, WW2: Road to War (BtS) - added text strings for all languages, new button
- Hirohito, WW2: Road to War (BtS) - added text strings for all languages, new button
- Kasimierz, since Poland needs original leaders - added text strings for all languages
- Sobieski, since Poland needs original leaders - added text strings for all languages
- Arpad, since Hungary needs an original leader as well - added text strings for all languages
Civilizations
- Polish Empire, from Genghis Khan (Warlords) - used content from other mods to complete it, added text strings for all languages
- Hungarian Empire, Genghis Khan (Warlords) - used content from other mods to complete it, added text strings for all languages
Miscellaneous
- Porges' Attitude Icons modcomp
- GeoModder's Ethnic City Styles modcomp
- Avain's Varietas Delectat modcomp
- Unique unit graphics for my own units (peltast, prodromoi, heavy swordsman, horseman etc) and some modern units (tanks, planes)
Bug fixes
- Fixed the bug with the three arcology shields appearing on top of eachother
- Fixed the bug with the gunpowder units not being able to get the Drill promotion.
- Fixed the AGG/PRO traits so they work for Clone units as well.
(note: features in red are the features I'm not satisfied with in their current form, either because they may be overpowered or just don't really add anything original, so any comments on the way they should be implemented would be nice!)
Technologies
- Biological Warfare, from Next War (BtS) - unaltered
- Shielding, from Next War (BtS) - unaltered
- Cloning, from Next War (BtS) - unaltered
- Bionics, from Next War (BtS) - unaltered
- Cold Fusion, from Next War (BtS) - unaltered
- Cybernetics, from Next War (BtS) - unaltered
- Advanced Shielding, from Next War (BtS) - unaltered
- Advanced Sailing, from Peloponnesian War (Warlords) - unaltered
- Improved Formations, from Peloponnesian War (Warlords) - unaltered
Units
- Biological Warfare Missile, from Next War (BtS) - unaltered
- Clones, from Next War (BtS) - unaltered
- Automatons, from Next War (BtS) - unaltered
- Dreadnought, from Next War (BtS) - unaltered
- Cyborg, from Next War (BtS) - unaltered
- Assault Mech, from Next War (BtS) - unaltered
- Peltast, from Alexander the Great (Warlords) - unaltered
- Prodromoi, from Alexander the Great (Warlords) - added copper as a prerequisite
- Heavy Swordsman, from Charlemagne's Wars (BtS) - requires Improved Formations
- Horseman, from Charlemagne's Wars (BtS) - renamed to Horseman, buffed a little, requires Improved Formations
- Papal Pikeman, from Charlemagne's Wars (BtS) - nerfed a little, builder of the Apostolic Palace can build up to three
- Light Tank unit from Road To War (BtS) - altered the stats a little.
- Heavy Tank unit from Road To War (BtS) - altered the stats a little.
- Chinese Cannon from Chinese Unification (Warlords) - renamed it to Hand Cannon, impossible to build these, but the player who researches gunpowder first receives one for free
- Raider from Crossroads (BtS) - gave it different graphics so it's not a copy of the Carthagian UU
- Supply Train, from Charlemagne's Wars (BtS) - requires the Wheel & Feudalism, has Medic 1 and[/b] Medic 2
- Winged Hussar, since Poland needs an original UU - added text strings for all languages
- Huszár Cavalry, since Hungary needs an original UU - added text strings for all languages
Promotions
- Desert Adaptation promotion, from Genghis Khan (Warlords) - buffed it a little to make it more useful
Buildings
- Biological Warfare Lab, from Next War (BtS) - unaltered
- Arcology, from Next War (BtS) - unaltered
- Arcology Shielding, from Next War (BtS) - unaltered
- Advanced Shielding, from Next War (BtS) - unaltered
- Cloning Factory, from Next War (BtS) - unaltered
- Mind Control Center, from Next War (BtS) - unaltered
- Well, from FfH: Age of Ice (BtS) - made it cheaper and available with masonry so it's not just a clone of the aqueduct, gave it slightly different graphics so it doesn't have the icey theme
- Archery Range, from FfH: Age of Ice (BtS) - but gave it slightly different graphics and different text to fit better
- Ancient Drydock, from Peloponnesian War (Warlords) - renamed it to Shipyard and assigned it to Advanced Sailing, obsolete with steel
- (classical) Military Encampment, from Peloponnesian War (Warlords), lets you build units 20% faster, obsolete with Gunpowder
- (medieval) Military Encampment, from Charlemagne's Wars (BtS), renamed it to Military Fortress, lets you build units 30% faster and gives +1 exp to melee units, obsoletes the old Military Encampment, obsolete with Gunpowder
- Spichlerz, since Poland needs an original UB - added text strings for all languages
- Jurta, since Hungary needs an original UB - added text strings for all languages
National Wonders
- Centers for Disease Control, from Next War (BtS) - replaced the button
- Trading Company, from Rhye's and Fall of Civilization (BtS) - unaltered
- High Walls, from Peloponnesian War (Warlords) - made it so that they never go obsolete
World Wonders
- Sun Tzu's Art of War, from Chinese Unification (Warlords) - doubled it's cost from 220 hammers to 440 hammers, +25% great general growth rate, obsolete with Assembly Line
- Underground Tomb, from Chinese Unification (Warlords) - doubled it's cost from 250 hammers to 500 hammers, nerfed it a little (+1 free specialist AND -75% war weariness is a bit too much, so I removed the free specialist), obsolete with Constitution
- Wembley, from Rhye's and Fall of Civilization (BtS) - doesn't replace Broadway anymore (since I think that musicals and sport events should both be properly represented)
- Plato's Academy, from Peleponessian War (Warlords) - +1 hammer for each scientist specialist, allows you to put three additional scientists in its city
- Theatre of Dionysus, from Peleponessian War (Warlords) - +2 great
- Leaning Tower, from Rhye's and Fall of Civilization (BtS) - +100% great people growth (for its city only!) and +1 happiness from every 20% culture in its city
- Flavian Amphitheatre, from Greek World (Vanilla) - free Shock promotion for every new unit, obsolete with gunpowder
- Ishtar Gate, from Greek World (Vanilla) - allows you to teleport (airlift) one unit to another city every turn, added text strings for all languages
- Reichstag, from The Road to War (BtS) - serves as a second Versailles (another palace), added text strings for all languages
- Big Ben, from The Road to War (BtS) - serves as a second granary; stores +50% food in its city, means that this city will grow every turn!, added text strings for all languages
- Torii, from The Road to War (BtS) - +1 gold for every water tile in its city, free Navigation I promotion for every ship constructed, added text strings for all languages
Bonuses
- Olives, from Peloponnesian War (Warlords) - unaltered
- Cotton, from Chinese Unification (Warlords) - unaltered
- Tea, from Chinese Unification (Warlords) - unaltered
- Salt, from Chinese Unification (Warlords) - changed the resource's graphics, used a new button
- Hit Football Event, from Rhye's and Fall of Civilization (BtS) - doesn't replace Hit Musical anymore
Improvements
- Olive Press, from Peloponnesian War (Warlords) - finished it (it wasn't complete yet), constructible with Monarchy
Civics
- Absolutism (Government), from Chinese Unification (Warlords) - available with Divine Right, instead of Engineering and nerfed in an attempt to balance things
- Judicial (Legal), from The Road to War (BtS) - available with Code of Laws (a wink to Justinian's law code)
- Independent Farmers (Labor), from Chinese Unification (Warlords) - available with Liberalism, made a little stronger by changing the Civic Upkeep to NONE
- Barter Economy (Economy), from Chinese Unification (Warlords) - made a little weaker by adding a +25% multiplier for "distance to palace", moved to Advanced Sailing for balance reasons
- Shamanism (Religion), from Chinese Unification (Warlords) - available with Priesthood, made a little weaker by decreasing the cultural bonus from 25% to 10%, and a new button because I don't want it to use the same button as Organized Religion
Leaders
- Adolf Hitler, WW2: Road to War (BtS) - added text strings for all languages, new button
- Hirohito, WW2: Road to War (BtS) - added text strings for all languages, new button
- Kasimierz, since Poland needs original leaders - added text strings for all languages
- Sobieski, since Poland needs original leaders - added text strings for all languages
- Arpad, since Hungary needs an original leader as well - added text strings for all languages
Civilizations
- Polish Empire, from Genghis Khan (Warlords) - used content from other mods to complete it, added text strings for all languages
- Hungarian Empire, Genghis Khan (Warlords) - used content from other mods to complete it, added text strings for all languages
Miscellaneous
- Porges' Attitude Icons modcomp
- GeoModder's Ethnic City Styles modcomp
- Avain's Varietas Delectat modcomp
- Unique unit graphics for my own units (peltast, prodromoi, heavy swordsman, horseman etc) and some modern units (tanks, planes)
Bug fixes
- Fixed the bug with the three arcology shields appearing on top of eachother
- Fixed the bug with the gunpowder units not being able to get the Drill promotion.
- Fixed the AGG/PRO traits so they work for Clone units as well.
Adam7Eight
Emperor
Chiyu, welcome back.
This mod has been my favorite for a while, but I would to know if it would be possible to get an updated version of this mod with just the stuff from Next War only and the following modcomps:
Yes, I'm too lazy to do it myself.
This mod has been my favorite for a while, but I would to know if it would be possible to get an updated version of this mod with just the stuff from Next War only and the following modcomps:
Yes, I'm too lazy to do it myself.
James009
Warlord
- Joined
- Nov 13, 2002
- Messages
- 278
Looks great, glad to see your back!
One questions though, is this version of Extra going to support the BtS 3.13 patch?
As for units and buildings:
Theatre of Dionysus- What if you just made this another Globe Theatre? I think that would be most relevant.
Leaning Tower- I think this is relevant but WAY overpowered. Make it a cheaper Wonder that has only a few benefits such as +20% to the city's culture and + 2 great engineer.
Supply Train- I actually like this idea so long as it has more modern equivalents (ex. supply trucks)
Also, I was thinking what if infantry turned into Clone Troopers instead of Mechanized Infantry and then stopped there. Maybe give them some sort of a buff to make them better (more defensive). I just think that there should always be infantry and that they shouldn't just turn into tanks...
Any ETA on release?
One questions though, is this version of Extra going to support the BtS 3.13 patch?
As for units and buildings:
Theatre of Dionysus- What if you just made this another Globe Theatre? I think that would be most relevant.
Leaning Tower- I think this is relevant but WAY overpowered. Make it a cheaper Wonder that has only a few benefits such as +20% to the city's culture and + 2 great engineer.
Supply Train- I actually like this idea so long as it has more modern equivalents (ex. supply trucks)
Also, I was thinking what if infantry turned into Clone Troopers instead of Mechanized Infantry and then stopped there. Maybe give them some sort of a buff to make them better (more defensive). I just think that there should always be infantry and that they shouldn't just turn into tanks...
Any ETA on release?
mariocerame
Chieftain
- Joined
- Jun 2, 2007
- Messages
- 15
I disagree on the tower. I think it's fine. Consider that the pyramids add +3beakers per specialist, consider what the Great Library does, etc--it's a great wonder, but not overpowered in the context It's NOT filler, but I like that.
Still great work Chiyu! It´s still my favorite Mod for Civ4.
One big request.
Could you add or make a new gamespeed mod? I have the feeling, that with all those great additions the first 4000 years are to fast over. A slightly rebalance of that period would be cool and the player could benefit from the units/buildings much longer.
One big request.
Could you add or make a new gamespeed mod? I have the feeling, that with all those great additions the first 4000 years are to fast over. A slightly rebalance of that period would be cool and the player could benefit from the units/buildings much longer.
Starting over from scratch is probably best.
Not to slam on anybody, but either the patch provided by bmarz is buggy, or it's included bhruic .dll is buggy. Either way, I'm getting constant CTD's, which is not happening in my vanilla 3.13 games.
I second that the raider needs to be upgunned a bit, since he is too easily defeated by the AI once unlocked. A strength between 6 and 8 seems more reasonable to me.
I second that there ought to be a modernized flavor of the Supply Train.
I don't like the way the Hand Cannon is implemented either. It could be made into another national unit, with a cap of 3. I'm also curious if there isn't a relevant wonder that could be associated with them, as with the pikemen and the Apostlic Palace, but I can't think of any off the top of my head.
I think the wonders are okay, except I don't like Big Ben acting as a glorified grain silo. It should provide a minor boost to production, commerce, and perhaps +1 food in the city it is built in, to reflect it as a productivity chronometer.
I join the chorus which cries for a second unique unit for each civ. For example, I'd like to see the American civ get a Minuteman, with Guerilla promotions or something similarly appropriate; they would have a disadvantage against other gunpowder units on an open plain, but in forests or hills they would excell.
Not to slam on anybody, but either the patch provided by bmarz is buggy, or it's included bhruic .dll is buggy. Either way, I'm getting constant CTD's, which is not happening in my vanilla 3.13 games.
I second that the raider needs to be upgunned a bit, since he is too easily defeated by the AI once unlocked. A strength between 6 and 8 seems more reasonable to me.
I second that there ought to be a modernized flavor of the Supply Train.
I don't like the way the Hand Cannon is implemented either. It could be made into another national unit, with a cap of 3. I'm also curious if there isn't a relevant wonder that could be associated with them, as with the pikemen and the Apostlic Palace, but I can't think of any off the top of my head.
I think the wonders are okay, except I don't like Big Ben acting as a glorified grain silo. It should provide a minor boost to production, commerce, and perhaps +1 food in the city it is built in, to reflect it as a productivity chronometer.
I join the chorus which cries for a second unique unit for each civ. For example, I'd like to see the American civ get a Minuteman, with Guerilla promotions or something similarly appropriate; they would have a disadvantage against other gunpowder units on an open plain, but in forests or hills they would excell.
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