Dragonflow
Emperor
Yes,she was his wife but she was one of the most important politicians of the empire.She and Justinian ruled together,they usually discussed everything they did and none of them did anything without discussing it with the other.
[BtS MOD] Wolfshanze 1850-1920 Enhancement Mod v2.0
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Yes,she was his wife but she was one of the most important politicians of the empire.She and Justinian ruled together,they usually discussed everything they did and none of them did anything without discussing it with the other.
I addition, while Justinian was ill with the plauge, she ran the empire, before she herself fell ill. And speaking fo Byzantine, how about adding the Othrodox religion n the next update?
I think that's opening up a can of worms that ends up getting out of hand, and unneccesary anyway. The religion in the game is "Christianity"....last time I checked, Orthodoxy was still Christianity. If Wolf adds Orthodoxy, it doesn't make sense not to add Catholicism. And then personally i'd like to see something like Helenism.
IMO, the religions are fine the way they are.
Although going on a tangent from that....a Papal States civ might be interesting...but again largely unnecessary.
Hmm...you do have a point, and if he does add Orthodoxy, it will probibly, as you said, spiral out of controll. Of course, me being a bit of a Byzantine fanboy makes me want everythig Byzantine, without thinking of the consequences.
Oh, and Congrats on the new job, Wolf. (I know, I'm pretty late.)
Then by all means, let's include, as I said, Catherine I of Russia, or Livia Drusa for Rome, or an Amenhotep or Tuthmoses along with Hatshepsut!
Having two leaders for a civilization whose reigns were exactly overlapping, since Theodora was only Empress for a portion of Justinian's reign, is just plain silly. I've been iffy about the Firaxis decision to include Augustus and Julius Caesar, but at least they didn't overlap directly and had notably different leadership styles. The difference in leadership styles between Theodora and Justinian consisted mainly of where the plumbing and reproductive organs are located.
Look, I'm not saying Theodora is the worst choice you could make. What I'm saying is that there are better choices. Pick a Basil, or a Theodosius, or one of the Komnemnids who wasn't a complete idiot. Any one of them would be a free-standing, independent choice that isn't an existing leader's spouse.
Dragonflow
Emperor
Well I know that there are a lot of other emperors that can be used but they are all pretty much the same anding Theodra would make her a more unique leader that say Basil or any other emperor.But its all up to Wolf maybe he doesn't even want to add an extra leader for Byzantinium.
Dragonflow
Emperor
I did not say they are the same I said that most emperors were pretty similar,people who aren't experts on Byzantine won't see any difference in Justinian,Basil,Constantin XI or any other emperor.Look at Russia in civ4 they took the most prominent leaders it has Peter I,Catherine and Stalin(+Lenin if we count Wolfschanzes mod) all 4 are easy to distinguish,there were other Russian leaders that have done great things but the Tzar number X who ruled during the year Y isn't there.
But I suppose this discussion is a bit senseless because neither you nor I will step down from our points of view.
But I suppose this discussion is a bit senseless because neither you nor I will step down from our points of view.
Wolfshanze
CFC Historian
Well, I guess if you guys want more LHs, now's a good time to voice opinions. I'll toss-in a few more in the next release... mind-you, they must be "pre-existing" on the forum as far as art-work goes... I'm certainly not going to make a new LH from scratch graphically, but there's already a ton of LHs done, so that shouldn't be a huge concern.
Mind-you, I'm not really trying to have every possible LH in the game, nor trying to have 10 LHs per-civ either... so if a Civ already has 3 or 4 LHs, the odds of me adding another are probably pretty-slim. I'll probably consider the "fewer-LH" civs like... well... like Byzantium I guess.
Remember... requesting a LH doesn't mean it's going to get added... still has to pass the "does Wolf really care/agree" meter! I'm also back to being employed again after a 6-month stint of unemployment (boy that sucked), so my free-time will be less as well... which will certainly impact the amount/time I have with future updates to the Wolfshanze Mod.
Mind-you, I'm not really trying to have every possible LH in the game, nor trying to have 10 LHs per-civ either... so if a Civ already has 3 or 4 LHs, the odds of me adding another are probably pretty-slim. I'll probably consider the "fewer-LH" civs like... well... like Byzantium I guess.
Remember... requesting a LH doesn't mean it's going to get added... still has to pass the "does Wolf really care/agree" meter! I'm also back to being employed again after a 6-month stint of unemployment (boy that sucked), so my free-time will be less as well... which will certainly impact the amount/time I have with future updates to the Wolfshanze Mod.
Dragonflow
Emperor
I would like to request Theodora,I suppose you knew that this would come.
Also when will the next release be.
Also when will the next release be.
Wolfshanze
CFC Historian
"When it's done"... or when I get tired of working on it... whichever comes first.Also when will the next release be.
More then likely not in the next few days or next week... still want to fully test some AI routines, which might take a week or two... beyond that, expect a release any day, any week, any month... so, anytime between a week to next year, and probably something more in the middle, but no guarantees in any direction. I've got some good ideas for v2.86 that I'm holding in the bag till I get my AI testing done (have to play a full game to test some of my theories)... once my AI testing is done, I'll plug in the new stuff and release, but who knows how long that will be.
How's that for precise?
With the holidays coming up, and my returning to work, I may shelve updates after v2.86 for awhile, but you never know (I've said that more then once). At least it's fully stable and has almost everything I've ever wanted in it, so I'm pretty happy with the mod.
Dragonflow
Emperor
Thanks for the answer and "any day, any week, any month" sounds good for me.Well goodluck with the AI testing.
Couch Tomato
First Tomato Emperor
Wolf, are you gonna add Meiji v. 2 and Atatürk (fav. civic Free Religion is a must) from Ekmek? It's about the time the Ottomans got a more modern leader so that my WWI/WWII-themed games make more sense
Also, another request: I don't know if this has been changed since the last time I played your mod, but can you make modern flags for the Netherlands and Russia? I know the problem with the Dutch flag is that it might be confused with the French, especially with the rotating flags, but maybe using the blue/white/orange would be more distinct and representative of their empire if that's an issue. And I know the Russians have the Soviet one already, but that's not default and only represents a certain aspect of their history. Maybe the current white/blue/red tricolor or the Romanov (white/black/yellow tricolor) flags?
Also, another request: I don't know if this has been changed since the last time I played your mod, but can you make modern flags for the Netherlands and Russia? I know the problem with the Dutch flag is that it might be confused with the French, especially with the rotating flags, but maybe using the blue/white/orange would be more distinct and representative of their empire if that's an issue. And I know the Russians have the Soviet one already, but that's not default and only represents a certain aspect of their history. Maybe the current white/blue/red tricolor or the Romanov (white/black/yellow tricolor) flags?
Wolfshanze
CFC Historian
Meiji v2 is already in v2.86 (pending release)...
As for the other stuff... dunno...
As for the other stuff... dunno...
NonPrayinMantis
Warlord
Another good leader head addition would be Franco for Spain. Spain has only had 1 leader, Isabella, for too long IMO.
NPM
NPM
Ataturk I'd want. He's pretty significant.
How about another Byzantine Empress other then Theodora? Wasn't Zoe pretty significant?
Then again, I always felt the Byzantines and Greeks could be combined.
Question- should the Vikings get Gustavus Adolphus as a leader?
How about another Byzantine Empress other then Theodora? Wasn't Zoe pretty significant?
Then again, I always felt the Byzantines and Greeks could be combined.
Question- should the Vikings get Gustavus Adolphus as a leader?
Couch Tomato
First Tomato Emperor
Agreed. Especially considering that this is a 1850-1920 enhancement mod.
Someone like Franco or a modern Spanish leader would be nice (I'm not aware of any major Spanish heads since the age of colonization though. And Spain wasn't really a major power since the Spanish-American War), but do we even have LH's?
The only other major leaders -- considering most of them, especially the European and Japanese ones, are covered -- I'd might like to see eventually to fit in the mod's theme are:
America: Woodrow Wilson (too many American leaders though, so rule that out)
China: Sun Yat-Sen and/or Chiang Kai-Shek (preferably the first, as he's not an ass... ie. controversial like Qin, Mao, or Chiang)
Persia: Reza Shah - to give us our first taste of modern Iran in Civ
Egypt: Abdel Nasser - a figure for modern Egypt
But of course, I don't think any of those have LH's (too lazy too look), so that leaves only Ataturk, who would be a huge addition.
blitzkrieg80
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Spain needs a male leaderhead, I agree.
Also, Britain could use a male leaderhead that isn't Churchill, since otherwise all females (and there weren't THAT many Queens like 2-1 ratio
).
I think all the New World civs should have some non-gaudy/non-feather-wearing leaderheads too... just about all civs should have somewhat modern-looking leaderheads (not just crazy-looking ancient) for this to be more 1850+
PS - congrats on the job, Wulf
Also, Britain could use a male leaderhead that isn't Churchill, since otherwise all females (and there weren't THAT many Queens like 2-1 ratio
).I think all the New World civs should have some non-gaudy/non-feather-wearing leaderheads too... just about all civs should have somewhat modern-looking leaderheads (not just crazy-looking ancient) for this to be more 1850+
PS - congrats on the job, Wulf
Couch Tomato
First Tomato Emperor
The problem with all civs having modern ones is that some can't. Like the New World civs... considering that they were wiped out by the Spanish. Unless you wish to extend it to "successor states" like Mexico and Peru, then that's possible... though that wouldn't be quite accurate since they're not exactly the same culture or civilization.
Byzantium can't really have one either because their successor state is basically the Ottoman Empire (now Greece and Turkey, both covered in Civ), so I dunno why there's so much focus on that.
Rome already got Mussolini for Italy, Russia's got Stalin for the USSR. I mentioned Ataturk for modern Turkey as well as those other dudes... which basically leaves the African civs and Mongolia, which are (and I don't mean to be disrespectful) kinda negligible forces in the 20th and 21st centuries. The same could be said for the Vikings, and the Mesopotamian civs are now pretty much Arab).
Everyone else should be covered though.
Byzantium can't really have one either because their successor state is basically the Ottoman Empire (now Greece and Turkey, both covered in Civ), so I dunno why there's so much focus on that.
Rome already got Mussolini for Italy, Russia's got Stalin for the USSR. I mentioned Ataturk for modern Turkey as well as those other dudes... which basically leaves the African civs and Mongolia, which are (and I don't mean to be disrespectful) kinda negligible forces in the 20th and 21st centuries. The same could be said for the Vikings, and the Mesopotamian civs are now pretty much Arab).
Everyone else should be covered though.
