[BtS MOD] Wolfshanze 1850-1920 Enhancement Mod v2.0

Another option for Spain would be Sancho the Great of Castile - though since I don't know if he's been LHed up yet, I'd have to second Charles V Habsburg.

One I'd like to see is a new Viking leader - Harald Haadrada or Ivar the Boneless would be my suggestions - but if something more modern is going in there, Gustavus Adolphus or Charles XII of Sweden would be my first thoughts.

If I'm going to offer suggestions on the Byzantines - if you want to use Ekmek's Theodora, it'd probably work for Irene or Zoe. We've laid out the pros and cons of Theodora as we see it. If you want to use his Basil II... well... it'd work for Basil II.
 
Who does the "Spanish King" in Colonization look like? I haven't bothered checking his picture with famous Spanish kings, but I assume they modeled him after somebody.
 
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I'm not really sure who it is though. Philip III? Charles II? I'm not too sharp on Spanish kings. At least I can name the other three... =/
 
I figured I'd throw the Spanish King in (as well as the "English King" who is obviously George II), but I wasn't sure who he was... I haven't broke-down looking-up Spanish king portraits, but I plan to if nobody saves me the trouble before I get around to it.
 
yeah, good point on the New World civs..

I am so glad some of you commented because that reminds me - I feel very strongly that this mod needs a better LeaderHead for the Vikings - something without the totally historically innaccurate horned-helmet for a leader of Scandinavia / Norsemen (it is a fact that the 'horned helm' in early Germanic art is a reference to the divine inspiration of Woden- ecstacy [think shamanism and the berserkr]. most similarly concepted helmets in Europe with large decorative crap on them weren't even worn to battle- they were ceremonial, religious- and any case of an actual horned-helmet aside from total fiction isn't even Germanic (instead La Tene/Halstatt)! such an ignorant stereotype should not be a historical game- thanks again Firaxis). I think a modern leader would be cool if possible, such as mentioned for Sweden- multiples of medieval flavor seem unnecc. imo
 
c0d5579 said:
If I'm going to offer suggestions on the Byzantines - if you want to use Ekmek's Theodora, it'd probably work for Irene or Zoe. We've laid out the pros and cons of Theodora as we see it. If you want to use his Basil II... well... it'd work for Basil II.
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You got a pint there.I just read the Wikipedia article about Irene and she seems to be a more important figure that Theodra.So I suppoert the Idea of adding a Byzantine Empress and the name shouldn't really cause much problems,after all you can change it when starting a new game.:)

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=270697
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=238378
I think one of those will fit nicely into the mod.
 
From reading around the board:
The "Spanish King" from Colonization is Charles the II of Spain aka Charles the V of the Holy Roman Empire/Austria.
 
Another vote for Ataturk.

Also one thing that hasn't been suggested before, it would be nice if you changed the "Native American" Civ to something that's not so retardedly named. Every other civ is an actual nation, a civilization. Sioux, Iriqous, Appache, just anything that actually can be considered a nation in it's own right seems more apropriate to me.
 
phungus420 said:
Another vote for Ataturk.

Also one thing that hasn't been suggested before, it would be nice if you changed the "Native American" Civ to something that's not so retardedly named. Every other civ is an actual nation, a civilization. Sioux, Iriqous, Appache, just anything that actually can be considered a nation in it's own right seems more apropriate to me.
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I actually suggested that earlier in the thread, especially the Sioux nation since it fits in with the mod's timeline. Some cool stuff could be done with them if you give a UB other than the totem pole that is either a courthouse or stable and gives bonuses of the other building (i.e. courthouse that gives experience for mounted units or a stable that further reduces maintenance) to simulate their nomadic and loose system... along with a repeater rifle UU.

Otherwise I just don't play with the Native Americans cuz they just don't really... fit :P
 
The "Native American" civilization, or the Sioux, has a problem similar to the Mongols as a civ - lack of established settlements. I suppose you could say the cultural border is the nomadic range of that particular group, but to implement the Native American civ well, you really do have to split it into several distinct groups - offhand, the Iroquois, Sioux, Comanche, and Apache, given my limited knowledge of Native American affairs. Otherwise you just get a mishmash that's worse than the Mongols - the Mongols grew up with the horse; in the Americas, it was an apocalyptic discovery.
 
phungus420 said:
Also one thing that hasn't been suggested before, it would be nice if you changed the "Native American" Civ to something that's not so retardedly named. Every other civ is an actual nation, a civilization. Sioux, Iriqous, Appache, just anything that actually can be considered a nation in it's own right seems more apropriate to me.
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"Hasn't been suggested before"... are you kidding me? Read-back through the 100+ pages on this thread, and you'll see it's been suggested at least 100 times over!

A few points here...

#1) The Native Americans aren't the only "group" of people listed as opposed to a specific civ... the "Vikings" are a collection of people from various lands, not a specific civilization... so that's actually two, not one that are named in the same fashion. I've often thought about "officially" changing the entire civ name to Scandinavia or something, because I don't want to tick-off the Norwegians or Danes if I just call it Sweden... I can say Scandinavia and include all three.

#2) I'm one of those big jerk-wad, politically-incorrect people that firmly believe no North American Native American tribe is in what I define as a "Civilization". I've got this funny notion about founding permanent cities, forming governments and/or advancing technology as pre-reqs for the term "Civilization", all things Native Americans are pretty weak on. Don't bother coming-up with the 1,000 reasons why you think Native Americans are indeed a civilization, I've heard them all a thousand times over and I'm not changing my mind on the matter. Seriously, I won't budge... I'm that big a jerk on this matter.

#3) I recognize the fact that they should be represented... so while I shudder at the term "Civilization", I allow them to exist because they should be in the game... having said that, much like the Vikings, I'm not really fond of spelling-out the Sioux at the cost of the Apache... or spelling-out the Seminoles at the cost of the Comanche... or spelling-out Iroquois, at the cost of the Mohicans. Get the picture? We could play this game all day long here... no ONE Native American Tribe stands-out in my mind as being representative of ALL North American tribes. As an American, who spent many years in Texas, Arizona, Oklahoma & Florida I've had a lot of info about Native Tribes thrust on me... yeah, I don't classify them as "Civilizations", but they were many, many, many, MANY important tribes in America, and I've always thought those people that feel a huge need to name them as Iroquois or Sioux, then slap themselves on the back for naming one or two tribes out of over 100 then high-five each other is really insulting the Native Americans more then just leaving them as "Native Americans". Unless you're prepared to name every major indian tribe in America, I think it's just best to leave them as a collective civ like Firaxis did... because I think it's damn insulting to honor one or two tribes as a "Civ" at the cost of all others. Naming them after one is like killing the Cherokee nation all over again!

I feel very strongly about this... seriously... I'm NEVER going to change "Native American" to one or two tribe names and call it a day. I think it's hugely insulting to every other tribe in North America to diss them just because you guys feel a need to name one tribe as representative of all North American Indians. For those of you who can't sleep at night with the term "Native American" as a civ in Civ4, it should take you about five seconds to change the civ name in the XML to Iroquois or Sioux and tick-off the other 100 or so major native american tribes in one fell swoop.

For example... to me, naming the Native American tribes after JUST ONE tribe, would be like renaming the "American" Civ to "Texas". Don't you think it would tick-off the other 49 states? I'm not doing it... end of line.

I will, however, add some more native american leader heads to the tribe in the next release... I don't think Sitting Bull should have all the fun by himself... then, whatever leader you get, that will be the tribe of the game... start a new game, get a different tribe with a different leader.
 
not to ass-kiss, but I agree on the Native Americans... the Viking name is a good example, because they were never a political 'state' nonetheless ethnos, but Danes versus Norweigans versus Swedes would not be right. Even 'Germany' was never the name of a true self-distinction / ethnos or political state, but calling them Allemanns or Saxons wouldn't be right either, or even 'Prussia' which was a special state who has a unique identity in the unification of greater peoples (their name coming from the pagan Baltic peoples they murdered- strange identity there) would not be entirely appropriate for a longer timeline.
 
blitzkrieg80 said:
not to ass-kiss, but I agree on the Native Americans... the Viking name is a good example, because they were never a political 'state' nonetheless ethnos, but Danes versus Norweigans versus Swedes would not be right. Even 'Germany' was never the name of a true self-distinction / ethnos or political state, but calling them Allemanns or Saxons wouldn't be right either, or even 'Prussia' which was a special state who has a unique identity in the unification of greater peoples (their name coming from the pagan Baltic peoples they murdered- strange identity there) would not be entirely appropriate for a longer timeline.
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You are wrong there the different German states be it Bavaria,Prussia or all the other often called them selves Germans especially after the Napolionic wars,trust me on that I'm German and we worked so long on that "German dream of unifications 1848->1871" during the history lesson(damn it was boring as hell,we didn't get to the end of WWI that year because of that ). So the Germans can't be compared to the Native Americans.
 
I wonder whether you could at least partially tie the Native American Art to the Leader choice so that you picked Sitting Bull, you got the right architecture for the cities, etc. Just a quick question that one...
 
Healz said:
I wonder whether you could at least partially tie the Native American Art to the Leader choice so that you picked Sitting Bull, you got the right architecture for the cities, etc. Just a quick question that one...
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I already have custom city art for North American Indians... but I sure don't have Peublo vs Teepee city set art... that's a little much to ask methinks.

Besides, city-art is tied to the CIV, not the leader.
 
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