Enyavar
Prince
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Oh, that would be unfortunate.
I remember that Realism Invictus had the same problem two years ago, maybe they fixed it by now? I never came around to play their newest Version.
Bug Reports and Technical Issues
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I remember that Realism Invictus had the same problem two years ago, maybe they fixed it by now? I never came around to play their newest Version.
I got an very old bug to report 
If you have the setting "Wait At End Of Turn" selected, playing any civ.
Then you choose to take over one of AIs civs (start playing another civ) from one of the popups.
The setting "Wait At End Of Turn" is then physically lost, yet if you look in the settings it still appears as set.
The workaround is to always go to setting once you start playing a the new civ and click the "Wait At End Of Turn" twice.
If you forget you get the unexpected auto end of turn.
Is this bug possible to fix permanently?
If you have the setting "Wait At End Of Turn" selected, playing any civ.
Then you choose to take over one of AIs civs (start playing another civ) from one of the popups.
The setting "Wait At End Of Turn" is then physically lost, yet if you look in the settings it still appears as set.
The workaround is to always go to setting once you start playing a the new civ and click the "Wait At End Of Turn" twice.
If you forget you get the unexpected auto end of turn.
Is this bug possible to fix permanently?
Enyavar
Prince
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Confirmed. Another workaround is Saving and Loading in one of the first rounds as the new civ.
soul-breathing
Emperor
Here's a bug when play as prussia, 1700ad scenerio. Did some WB in the game, and some colony cities get negative number in culture and research, the display shows "from specialists"
Spoiler :
Novicenoble
Prince
Finishing 3rd Chinese UHV crashes game apparently. I played this on 1.16 release, regent, marathon. You can wait for 3 turns until the last golden age ends.
OzzyKP
Deity
It takes like 10 minutes or more for the game to start. Does anyone have any recommendations for speeding it up? Or do people know what the main drivers of the slow down are? I'm working on a modmod, and it really delays things to have to wait that long each time I want to test out some edits.
OzzyKP
Deity
I get a crash to desktop here (on a non-modded game):
Hello everyone,
I'm a long-time player of RFC/DoC mods, but complete newbie in modding & python and will never pretend to be an expert one day.
Notwithstanding, I tried to modify the spawning areas, spawning departure tiles and city names by modifying the Areas and Citynames python files, simply using the Notepad...
Despite my meticulous efforts to maintain the integrity of the files, the mod is now unplayable, juts showing the map and units without any interface, the worldbuilder being also made of empty windows.
It must certainly be a beginner mistake, then is there a way to fix it ? Without any offense for the colossal work Leoreth made, what is the way to personnalize the python files to adapt at least city names and areas ?
Thanks
I'm a long-time player of RFC/DoC mods, but complete newbie in modding & python and will never pretend to be an expert one day.
Notwithstanding, I tried to modify the spawning areas, spawning departure tiles and city names by modifying the Areas and Citynames python files, simply using the Notepad...
Despite my meticulous efforts to maintain the integrity of the files, the mod is now unplayable, juts showing the map and units without any interface, the worldbuilder being also made of empty windows.
It must certainly be a beginner mistake, then is there a way to fix it ? Without any offense for the colossal work Leoreth made, what is the way to personnalize the python files to adapt at least city names and areas ?
Thanks
merijn_v1
Black Belt
First of all, welcome to the forums.
I really recommend NOT using plain notepad. Basically any other text editor is better for modding. Personally, I use notepad++ for modding. (IIRC, most modders use that notepad++ for modding)
Looking at the symptoms, I think you made a small syntax error. You really should enable python exceptions when you are modding. (I recommend it to everyone. Even if you are not modding, it will help a lot when reporting bugs because you can provide more useful information) It doesn't fix the errors, but at it shows where in the file the error is and the nature of the error. You can find how to enable python exceptions in the first post of this thread in the small code box.
But it's great to see people trying to mod a bit for themselves. IMO it is the best way to learn how to mod. So I really encourage you to continue your efforts. I also started at with hardly any modding experience and basically just by doing I learned how to mod many different aspects of Civ IV modding.
I really recommend NOT using plain notepad. Basically any other text editor is better for modding. Personally, I use notepad++ for modding. (IIRC, most modders use that notepad++ for modding)
Looking at the symptoms, I think you made a small syntax error. You really should enable python exceptions when you are modding. (I recommend it to everyone. Even if you are not modding, it will help a lot when reporting bugs because you can provide more useful information) It doesn't fix the errors, but at it shows where in the file the error is and the nature of the error. You can find how to enable python exceptions in the first post of this thread in the small code box.
But it's great to see people trying to mod a bit for themselves. IMO it is the best way to learn how to mod. So I really encourage you to continue your efforts. I also started at with hardly any modding experience and basically just by doing I learned how to mod many different aspects of Civ IV modding.
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Welcome to the forums! How could I take offense at you modding DoC when it is a mod itself? I'm glad the community is thriving and that includes modmods.
I can only second merijn's advice. Make sure to enable Python exceptions and logging as the first post in this thread describes. You will get (somewhat) helpful error messages that tell you which file and line contain the problem.
For future questions about modding DoC, there is also a modmodding Q&A thread, which should still be rather high up in this forum.
I can only second merijn's advice. Make sure to enable Python exceptions and logging as the first post in this thread describes. You will get (somewhat) helpful error messages that tell you which file and line contain the problem.
For future questions about modding DoC, there is also a modmodding Q&A thread, which should still be rather high up in this forum.
Thank you for your warm welcome and diligent answers
Following your recommendations, I'm now using Notepad++ and I have enabled Python exceptions and logging as described in the first post. And well, even though I presume I should be proud of me, not a single error message has appeared in both Areas and CityNameManager files, the only two I did modify. I actually modified/added some birth/respawn area coordinates, capital locations, city names, translated renames and era renames.
As said precedently, when loading a saved game, I therefore only get a game without any interface, where it's impossbile to do anything unless moving the map and entering cities, where there is no city interface as well. When launching a new game, even worst, just a "you have been defeated" message before the game has time to finish loading.
If it's not a synthax error, it might be then a problem of inconsistency within the files, where a modification I made somewhere has not been properly transposed elsewhere in the files, like new city names or new coordinates not reported everywhere it sould be to avoid contradictions.
If you have any insights
Following your recommendations, I'm now using Notepad++ and I have enabled Python exceptions and logging as described in the first post. And well, even though I presume I should be proud of me, not a single error message has appeared in both Areas and CityNameManager files, the only two I did modify. I actually modified/added some birth/respawn area coordinates, capital locations, city names, translated renames and era renames.
As said precedently, when loading a saved game, I therefore only get a game without any interface, where it's impossbile to do anything unless moving the map and entering cities, where there is no city interface as well. When launching a new game, even worst, just a "you have been defeated" message before the game has time to finish loading.
If it's not a synthax error, it might be then a problem of inconsistency within the files, where a modification I made somewhere has not been properly transposed elsewhere in the files, like new city names or new coordinates not reported everywhere it sould be to avoid contradictions.
If you have any insights
The "you have been defeated" message is a classical problem caused by a Python error that prevents the game from ever properly starting, so you instantly lose the game. I can guarantee you that there is a Python error in your code somewhere, maybe make sure you actually see errors by blatantly including keysmashes somewhere?
Hmm
It's true that being a beginner, I've never seen an exception popup before, I maybe just missed that. Could someone post a example picture of a blatant synthax error on Notepad++ ? I've enabled it in the Civconfig link, but maybe there is something to launch on Notepad++, like an error analysis tool or any other function to activate. I indeed deliberately wrote blatant incongruities in the file and nothing happened...
Thx for your support
It's true that being a beginner, I've never seen an exception popup before, I maybe just missed that. Could someone post a example picture of a blatant synthax error on Notepad++ ? I've enabled it in the Civconfig link, but maybe there is something to launch on Notepad++, like an error analysis tool or any other function to activate. I indeed deliberately wrote blatant incongruities in the file and nothing happened...
Thx for your support
Notepad++ has no debugging or analysis tooling or even that much language awareness at all, it's just a very good text editor. Can you upload your civ config file so we can see if everything is correct there? It really looks like you don't get exceptions no matter what you do.
Well after another try to load a saved game, the Python exception detection process did launch during the loading... Here is some screenshots of the numerous exception messages which suddenly appeared on my screen, many of them concerning Python files I did not even touch...
Apparently, I successfully achieved the feat of causing a total mess by only some modifications on two files, I know I should not have tried to play in the big leagues !
I will now quietly go back to the elementary joys of the Worldbuilder, without this impudent hubris which made me try the black magic of Python.
Civ 2 scenario making is much more within my reach haha.
Apparently, I successfully achieved the feat of causing a total mess by only some modifications on two files, I know I should not have tried to play in the big leagues !
I will now quietly go back to the elementary joys of the Worldbuilder, without this impudent hubris which made me try the black magic of Python.
Civ 2 scenario making is much more within my reach haha.
merijn_v1
Black Belt
Well after another try to load a saved game, the Python exception detection process did launch during the loading... Here is some screenshots of the numerous exception messages which suddenly appeared on my screen, many of them concerning Python files I did not even touch...
Apparently, I successfully achieved the feat of causing a total mess by only some modifications on two files, I know I should not have tried to play in the big leagues !
I will now quietly go back to the elementary joys of the Worldbuilder, without this impudent hubris which made me try the black magic of Python.
Civ 2 scenario making is much more within my reach haha.
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I answered this here.
https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/modmodding-q-a-thread.516755/page-104#post-15480177
Please use that thread in the future.
I have seen thank you very much, I followed your advice and rapidly figured out that all my problems were coming from two missing commas in the CityName file...
Thank you for having had enough patience to tolerate the distress of a beginner !
DOC 1.16 1700 version, I am Poor Poor Russia.
I found that Berlin only defended by a Horse and 3 Cannon. And then I declare war to Prussia. And I found that some of Berlin defending army will resurrect after my attack. Is it a Bug?
By the way AI don't use defending army to Defend itself (1703 Stockhelm is the same as 1703 Berlin controlled by AI), is it also a bug?
I found that Berlin only defended by a Horse and 3 Cannon. And then I declare war to Prussia. And I found that some of Berlin defending army will resurrect after my attack. Is it a Bug?
By the way AI don't use defending army to Defend itself (1703 Stockhelm is the same as 1703 Berlin controlled by AI), is it also a bug?
1SDANi
The Fading Memory
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How is it even possible that I'm getting bad relations stability, let alone -12!!!???
Is bad relations stability something that includes previous checks too? How would a player know when to swap away from Isolationism in that case?
I understand having bad relations when half of the civs you know are unhappy or angry, but there's only Russia and they're only -3 relations.
I've played many games but never have I encountered such an utterly baffling instability.
Is bad relations stability something that includes previous checks too? How would a player know when to swap away from Isolationism in that case?
I understand having bad relations when half of the civs you know are unhappy or angry, but there's only Russia and they're only -3 relations.
I've played many games but never have I encountered such an utterly baffling instability.
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