Bz2 - 5CC Overdrive

[betazed]

Originally posted by Stuck_As_a_Mac
How many civs have we killed? Did we take out Monty?

I think the Zulus did the honors for us.

 

[Snaproll]

Turn 0 – 1450 – Looking good… but where are the Sipahi? Oh in the cities. Elvis? Dolly Parton? It’s four turns until I can get the Iros, so I figure I’ll work on the Americans first. RoP with Persia. It will expire sooner that way anyway. Complete rail connection to Persian territory. Use cannons to bombard two (American) rifles in Persian territory. Using cavalry to attack American rifles, A Great Leader emerges! I build an army, load with rifles. Cleveland razed. Pillage American Coal. Americans have no Saltpeter or coal now.

Turn 2 – 1455 – New York razed.

BT – Persia DEMANDS gems. I cave, because we MUST maintain the RoP to get our troops back for Hiawatha.

Turn 3 - 1460– Washington razed! I’d say the Americans have been crippled, wouldn’t you? Sanitation due next turn.

Turn 4 – 1465 - Boston razed. Philadelphia razed. Seattle razed. Atlanta razed. Gordium razed. New Orleans razed. All cities switch to hospitals. Rush a few of them. Research off.

BT Actually lose a couple Sipahi to riflemen counterattack.

Turn 5 – 1470 - 4 hospitals finished. Istanbul can produce a Sipahi every turn! Iznik size 19. Edrine to size 19 – Siphai in 1 turn. Uskudar to size 20. Turn science off – may need luxes if WW gets bad. I will cancel deal with Iro and attack them now that America is crippled. Declare war on Iros. Ologouen razed. A city with a name I have no hope of pronouncing razed. Onnontare razed. Neodakheat razed. Salamanca is size 1!

BT – Oh no! Pollution!

Turn 6 – 1475 – Salamanca razed. Bursa to size 20. Centralia razed.

Turn 7 – 1480 - Kufah razed. Niagara Falls razed. Iroquois destroyed! Back to Americans… Great Leader produced attacking Chicago! I use it to rush MA, for lack of anything better. No wait – Battlefield medicine instead! Chicago razed.

Turn 8 – Tyre razed.

Turn 9 – 1490 AD – Miami razed. Buffalo razed. Detroit razed. St. Louis razed. Baltimore razed. I decided to stop here as the turns are taking too long. Good luck!

The Save

 

[Snaproll]

 

[Snaproll]

I should have done this during my turn, but the idea escaped me then - we should switch to war-time mobilization. With it, it's likely that all 5 of our cities can produce a Sipahi every turn.

 

[betazed]

Snap.

Originally posted by Snaproll
I should have done this during my turn, but the idea escaped me then - we should switch to war-time mobilization. With it, it's likely that all 5 of our cities can produce a Sipahi every turn.

Seems like a good idea. I have never mobilized before. But this looks like an ideal scenario for doing so.

@Tsuke: You are up. Finish the game. Ten turns should be enough to finish the Persians and the Americans.

 

[Earp]

Do we want to break our RoP with Persia? How much longer does it last? I think we should definitely finish off the Americans before taking out the Persians.
Good luck Tsuk.

Personally, I expected a 5CC on Emperor to be much more of a challenge. What did we do correctly to make it so easy to win so quickly? This 5CC conquest was much easier than most of my non-5CC emperor games. What’s next? A 5CC deity game?

 

[Snaproll]

Originally posted by Earp
Do we want to break our RoP with Persia? How much longer does it last? I think we should definitely finish off the Americans before taking out the Persians.
Good luck Tsuk. :Hammer:

Personally, I expected a 5CC on Emperor to be much more of a challenge. What did we do correctly to make it so easy to win so quickly? This 5CC conquest was much easier than most of my non-5CC emperor games. What’s next? A 5CC deity game?

I agree we should finish off the Americans first. I believe the RoP has about 11 turns left on it. If we finish the Americans first (which we should, although it'll be a little slow because a lot of those cities don't have roads/rails leading to them) we might as well just break the RoP with the Persians. I don't mea RoP rape them - break it before you enter Persian territory, but our reputation is meaningless at this point.

I think it was pretty rough until Sipahi, don't you? Could it just be Sipahi? Once we got them and basically destroyed the tech pace by embroiling the continent in war, we had by far the dominant unit available. The sweet spot for Sipahi is the period after rifles and before infantry, and we managed to make that period last indefinately.

 

[Earp]

Originally posted by Snaproll

I think it was pretty rough until Sipahi, don't you? Could it just be Sipahi? Once we got them and basically destroyed the tech pace by embroiling the continent in war, we had by far the dominant unit available. The sweet spot for Sipahi is the period after rifles and before infantry, and we managed to make that period last indefinately.

I never had the impression that we were in bad shape, even before we got the Sipahi. I agree that slowing down the tech pace to allow us to maximize the benefits of the Sipahi is probably the key to our convincing victory. The Sipahi is an almost overpowered UU.

 

[betazed]

Originally posted by Snaproll


I agree we should finish off the Americans first. I believe the RoP has about 11 turns left on it. If we finish the Americans first (which we should, although it'll be a little slow because a lot of those cities don't have roads/rails leading to them) we might as well just break the RoP with the Persians. I don't mea RoP rape them - break it before you enter Persian territory, but our reputation is meaningless at this point.

I think it was pretty rough until Sipahi, don't you? Could it just be Sipahi? Once we got them and basically destroyed the tech pace by embroiling the continent in war, we had by far the dominant unit available. The sweet spot for Sipahi is the period after rifles and before infantry, and we managed to make that period last indefinately.

I agree. Once there is only Persia and us our reputation has no meaning. But we should be honorable and not Rop Rape them.

As far as the difficulty was concerned it was never difficult at any time. It's just that at the end the wars we started just helped us a lot. And sipahi being just an awesome unit just rolled over everybody. You need infantry to have a decent defense against Sipahi and the gap between MT and RP is large enough to maximize and give a unbalacing advantage for the human player.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[betazed]

As this is coming to an end (if Tsuke does not take it by tomorrow, Earp could you pick it up and finish it?)

As for Bz3 I was thinking of a Aw in Emperor. What do you think? We can get the thread started where we can discuss the details of civs and other issues.

 

[Earp]

If tsuk can't play by tomorrow evening, I can finish this game.

An AW on Emperor sounds like a challenge. I am looking forward to it. Sign me up.

 

[Snaproll]

As long as we don't play on too large of a map I'm in.

 

[Earp]

I guess we can discuss this on the Bz3 thread, but why do you not want a larger map? I would think that a larger map would help limit early contact with other civs and allow us some time before starting wars.

 

[Snaproll]

I just try to stay away from larger maps due to time considerations, but I guess for a SG it's not as critical.

 

[betazed]

Bz3 is up. Let's discuss about that game there.

 

[Earp]

I decided to go ahead and knock this one out.

1490
Found spice and silk colonies in former Iroquois territories
Raze Dallas
Raze Chondote

1495
Raze Gayagaahe
Raze Denver
Raze Cincinnati
Raze San Francisco

1500
Move troops to attack Houston

1505
Leader Created. We rush Smith's

Raze Houston
Americans eliminated

We declare War on the Persians
We destroy several Colonies
We raze Bactra
We raze Umfolazi
We raze Medina

1510
Pollution. Yucky.
Persia moves seven Cavs into our territory.
Kill seven Cav.
We raze Aden

1515
Persia moves three Cavs into our territory.
Kill three Cav.
Raze Sardis
Raze Damascus
Raze Bukhara
Raze Anjar
Raze Merw

1520
Persia moves one Cav into our territory.
Kill one Cav.
Raze Aleppo
Raze Pasargadae
Raze Arbela and the Great Lighthouse
Raze Sidon

1525
Another Leader created. Builds MA(for style points)
Raze Khurasan
Raze Antioch

1530
Raze Persepolis
Raze Susa
The Persians are eliminated.

1535
We win

The SAVE before the end Hit space to see the victory sequence.

 

[betazed]

Great game everyone. A 5CC never looked so easy.

 

[Snaproll]

Congratulations everyone. I had a great time.

 

[Tsukemono5]

Sorry I couldn't play the final 10, but I was SWAMPED the past two days. I couldn't even get onto a computer! Good job guys !