C2C - Flammability
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Hydromancerx
C2C Modder
then there is fire ships and fire balloons.
Seriously I have been wanting both of those for a long time now. Also Petards like in AOE2. Which was basically guys with a barrel of explosives who would blow up and take out whatever was around them at the cost of themselves. In fact perhaps we should have some sort of suicide bomber for the modern era. Such as ...
Petard (Gunpowder) -> ? (Explosives) -> Suicide Bomber (Plastics AND Electronics)
Your going to need either nationalism or intolerance running to get someone to be a sapper... probably other things concidering how much it takes to convince someone that is in their best intrests.
As long as we are tossing things at a wall with fire, priests that go into a city and torch themselves as a protest causing massive unrest... though only against aestists, police states, somewhere purging that religion, or the like.
Greek fire should also be an even based upgrade that gives high damage and stack splash damage against wooden ships. That and a dragon shaped flame thrower weapon that reqiuires being fortified to be usable. If we are going for event based, an event that grants you a unit or three that is a worker that builds one shot land mines as a terrain improvement.
As long as we are tossing things at a wall with fire, priests that go into a city and torch themselves as a protest causing massive unrest... though only against aestists, police states, somewhere purging that religion, or the like.
Greek fire should also be an even based upgrade that gives high damage and stack splash damage against wooden ships. That and a dragon shaped flame thrower weapon that reqiuires being fortified to be usable. If we are going for event based, an event that grants you a unit or three that is a worker that builds one shot land mines as a terrain improvement.
Thunderbrd
C2C War Dog
Some great concepts being considered here! So these new metrics would be in the category of health, food, production, etc?
Hydromancerx
C2C Modder
Ori, AIAndy and Koshling
So now that v18 is released can you guys start working on this?
Can you guys make a generic system in which can keep track of a value from buildings and then have it triggered by a series of events? Such as the fire events or crime events.
So now that v18 is released can you guys start working on this?
Can you guys make a generic system in which can keep track of a value from buildings and then have it triggered by a series of events? Such as the fire events or crime events.
It is the next item on my list.
Hydromancerx
C2C Modder
Great! 
sugestion .
what about to do something like this to represent the transformation to huge urban cities
. i am thing like this. every building will give one point. the house buildings will give something like this
small dencity 2 points
medium dencity 5
hight dencity 10
very hight dencity 20
if the total points are 100 or 200 ( based on the amount of building the city will turn to urban enviroment it will give this bonuses
bonus in infantry
decrease of S of armor units
farm buildings will give less food
what about to do something like this to represent the transformation to huge urban cities
. i am thing like this. every building will give one point. the house buildings will give something like this
small dencity 2 points
medium dencity 5
hight dencity 10
very hight dencity 20
if the total points are 100 or 200 ( based on the amount of building the city will turn to urban enviroment it will give this bonuses
bonus in infantry
decrease of S of armor units
farm buildings will give less food
I have pushed the first version of the generic property system to the SVN.
Property types are defined in CIV4PropertyInfos.xml (currently crime and flammability are defined).
Buildings can have these properties (example is -20 crime on the palace) and they are accumulated for cities and players.
The values are currently displayed in the mouseovers of buildings, the city bar and the player flag.
Now the question is where exactly you want them used:
A prereq before you can build a building? (Like you can only build some special crime building when your crime rate is high enough)
Exposed to Python?
Some tag for events? (prereq of a certain amount of a property before it can trigger?)
And/Or something else?
Property types are defined in CIV4PropertyInfos.xml (currently crime and flammability are defined).
Buildings can have these properties (example is -20 crime on the palace) and they are accumulated for cities and players.
The values are currently displayed in the mouseovers of buildings, the city bar and the player flag.
Now the question is where exactly you want them used:
A prereq before you can build a building? (Like you can only build some special crime building when your crime rate is high enough)
Exposed to Python?
Some tag for events? (prereq of a certain amount of a property before it can trigger?)
And/Or something else?
If you're adding new accumulated values in the same vein as most existing values, don't forget to update the force retest code too please. You'll find it at the bottom of cvplayr.cpp and cvcity.cpp more or less - I forget the actual rothine name off the top of my head.
Hydromancerx
C2C Modder
Well it will be mostly used to trigger events. However I could see it used for a building prereq. I would say add that as a feature in case we need to use it in the future for some building. The more choices and freedom we have the more creative we can get.
I added that code (if I got it correctly).
Actually you will need to use the forced recalculation to make the accumulated values correct in old save games.
What I have not done is adding a remapping for the property numbers if the order in the property info xml is changed.
Hydromancerx
C2C Modder
@AIAndy
So if i want to start giving values to buildings what is the code I need to use? Also do I just update my schema with a copy of the current "Afforess_CIV4BuildingsSchema.xml" ?
So if i want to start giving values to buildings what is the code I need to use? Also do I just update my schema with a copy of the current "Afforess_CIV4BuildingsSchema.xml" ?
Yes, you need to update the schema and best look into the example negative crime rate on the palace building.
Adding a property to buildings is done like this:
Code:
<Properties>
<Property>
<PropertyType>PROPERTY_CRIME</PropertyType>
<iPropertyValue>30</iPropertyValue>
</Property>
<Property>
<PropertyType>PROPERTY_FLAMMABILITY</PropertyType>
<iPropertyValue>-20</iPropertyValue>
</Property>
</Properties>Adding new property types is done by adding a new entry at the end of Civ4PropertyInfos.xml.
Hydromancerx
C2C Modder
So just to be clear ...
+ Crime = More Crime Events
- Crime = Less Crime Events
+ Flammability = More Fire Events
- Flammability = Less Fire Events
Thus Law buildings should give - Crime while crime buildings should give + crime. And flammable buildings should give + flammability and buildings like a fire station should give - flammability.
Correct?
+ Crime = More Crime Events
- Crime = Less Crime Events
+ Flammability = More Fire Events
- Flammability = Less Fire Events
Thus Law buildings should give - Crime while crime buildings should give + crime. And flammable buildings should give + flammability and buildings like a fire station should give - flammability.
Correct?
Correct, that is the intuitive way to do it (although purely from a mechanic standpoint you could do it entirely opposite as well).
Hydromancerx
C2C Modder
Ok I applied the +/- flammability values to the buildings. Please use the chart above to trigger a fire event. The flammability values may need to be tweaked since there are way more flammable buildings than anti-flammable buildings. However I do have some idea for some new anti-flammable buildings so it may work out just fine.
Note that not all building have a flammability stat, only ones that specifically involve water/firefighting or can cause fires such as a fire pit or chemical factory.
Many thanks to ori and AIAndy!
I could look it up myself, but I am lazy what is the range of values you are using?
what is the range of values you are using?
Hydromancerx
C2C Modder
I could look it up myself, but I am lazy
Well most are between 5 and 30 (I have one +50 for the toxic waste dump). I cannot list them all because there are too many. In addition they do not exist all at once. For instance early eras have not much of either side, but by the industrial era there are tons of flammable buildings (mostly power plants and factories).
In short we will just have to test and see if fires are too frequent or not enough.
I am just asking for the outer borders of values, because I intend to burn down buildings semi randomly - for that knowing the max possible negative and positive values would be good 
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