canada discussion

[GeneralMatt]

Heck are doller once the laughing stock at comedy clubs is 3 pennies more then once great American green. Thats right yankee cash has been put in its place by the Prittest money you've all ever seen.

If they had of been smart, the Doctors, and movies stars and sports players should have started to ask for their salaries in Canadian $$ right? I mean 8 million in Canadian is now worth more than 8 Million American right?
Makes me proud to think of it..

 

[jessiecat]

Guess this is turning into a boost Canada thread. That's OK. Makes a change
from the other kind of flag-wavers we usually get. With all that tar sands
oil, maybe we'll take over OPEC from the Arabs. And don't forget the Havana
cigars and cheap flights to Cuba, fellas! Think we should try for a cultural victory? Makes you kinda proud, even though I'm now living in Europe.
Though I still wouldn't have us as a civ in the game, except in mods.

 

[jessiecat]

And just a word for T.A. Jones. Check out the 1982 Constitution Act and
you'll see that neither the Queen or British Parliament have any jurisdiction
over the Canadian constitution or parliament. The Queen is only the head
of state in the sense that she is the head of the Commonwealth and thus
the ceremonial head of state of all the countries in it. Hope that helps!

 

[T.A JONES]

And just a word for T.A. Jones. Check out the 1982 Constitution Act and
you'll see that neither the Queen or British Parliament have any jurisdiction
over the Canadian constitution or parliament. The Queen is only the head
of state in the sense that she is the head of the Commonwealth and thus
the ceremonial head of state of all the countries in it. Hope that helps!

NO reading that helps you or me little without going to the jest of it.

Our leaders are reprensetitives of the monarch and therfor do not possess power they exercise power. "they do not reign they rule"
"The Gov general "reigns" but does not rule, possesses the power but does not exercise it."
By deligating her power and not exercising her power the Queen is left safe from outside conflicts and division in politics.-like our friend says ''holyer then thou"

I guess you can argue since the Monarch has not yet chosen to weild her power that means she has none over us?
You can say the same about USA's Patriot act, it reads: In the case of a major terrosist act the President can declare marshal law. He hasn't done this ever but does that mean he never will or, point being, has no power?

Since in Canada the amount of time thats passed with no Monarchy interference is much greater then AMerica's hold on its patriot act powers, does that mean we have some kind of greater chance it will never be acted on in case of emeregnecy? We can argue the crown will never have to do these dratic measures cuz we listen anyway....have we ever not? If Britain has been declared war on do we ignore thier plea if the vote says so?

NO offence to you truly, but I believe you may be lacking a bit in your understanding what it is to truly indepent or what the hold of monarhcy really entails on our very distinct 'Canadian' society

Don' think a great nationalist attidude can not be seperated from our sworn ties to the English thrown, eh firiend? But DO you think AMericans let Britian have power in their Gov affairs like some of these: ...oh btw, Hope this helps

Look into who we name are fleet ships after
Look into who the Prime minster swears his allegience to, the Queen or the people who elected him.
Look into who new citzens swear their alligence to.
- If the Queen has power to raise her own milita or call new elections
- If she has the power to pardon Canadian criminals or bestowe titles upon citizens
Look into her power to refuse legislation, dismiss are PM or call a state of emergency.
Look into her power to sift through confidential gov papers or intelligence documents

Look into her power to inact laws in her 'majestys name'

I could go on but I ran out of smilles Remember I responsed to the guy saying "we broke free of the hold of England" IM not sure if you think thats true aswell, God I hope there ain't 2 that far gone
ALl I know is reality and that are Constitutional Monarchy by Power of the Queen of England can't be debated by ether of you as unreal.

... but you can say I have bad grammer like the other guy did if it makes you feel better

 

[T.A JONES]

If they had of been smart, the Doctors, and movies stars and sports players should have started to ask for their salaries in Canadian $$ right? I mean 8 million in Canadian is now worth more than 8 Million American right?
Makes me proud to think of it..

Yes you are right compadre. As do I, we should both be bursting with pride, epecially since the bell closed at $1.05. 85 today, never missing a stride.

Using Todays rate on a million annual salary we see for ex: One player goes north the other stays south, both settle in their home teams currency.
The North star comes home the cash money winner a extra $50 000 American in tow . Not bad

Forget sports though, ITs time to start buying some Mayo Clinic Protagee

 

[jessiecat]

I'm not really disagreeing with you in theory, only in practice. After the
1982 Act it was no longer necessary for laws or constitutional changes to
be ratified by the Queen or the Privy Council. Sure, all the other stuff you
mention does exist on paper, but it's never used. That's the point.
Instead of worrying youself about what could or might happen in future,
try dealing with the present. It's not Britain that runs Canada as you
well know. Try looking south if you want the answer. Our economy is
completly dominated by US corporations in the States and through their branch companies in Canada. Canada has no military independance. Zero!
And if you really think Canada is independant, politically, from the U.S,
think again. Sure we trade with Cuba and all that, but watch the Northwest
Passage issue. Do you really think we can enforce territorial sovereignty
in the Arctic all by ourselves? Rather than bothering yourself about some
imaginary threat to Canadian independance from the Queen, try checking
out the real world. Foriegn domination by the U.S. is fact, not theory!!!

 

[dppilot]

If Canada was in the game, was there ever a leader that really just "stood out"? I can't think of any.

 

[scienide09]

Well, "The Right Honourable" (ha!) Kim Campbell sticks out. In a sore thumb kind of way. Very sore.

 

[Portugal]

They have electricity in Canada?

Yes, infact they're one of the only industrialized countries that exports power.

 

[T.A JONES]

I'm not really disagreeing with you in theory, only in practice. After the
1982 Act it was no longer necessary for laws or constitutional changes to
be ratified by the Queen or the Privy Council. Sure, all the other stuff you
mention does exist on paper, but it's never used. That's the point.
Instead of worrying youself about what could or might happen in future,
try dealing with the present. It's not Britain that runs Canada as you
well know. Try looking south if you want the answer. Our economy is
completly dominated by US corporations in the States and through their branch companies in Canada. Canada has no military independance. Zero!
And if you really think Canada is independant, politically, from the U.S,
think again. Sure we trade with Cuba and all that, but watch the Northwest
Passage issue. Do you really think we can enforce territorial sovereignty
in the Arctic all by ourselves? Rather than bothering yourself about some
imaginary threat to Canadian independance from the Queen, try checking
out the real world. Foriegn domination by the U.S. is fact, not theory!!!

Why refrence America? Was I suppose to be covering economic stipulation regarding foreign ownership in my response to your backing of the argument "we broke free of the hold of England"

My intent was simple, to deliver fact in response to fiction. I won't sidetrack Its your right to question if thats scary or not.

Why you changed gears is puzzling but I think your going into mearky water here. I'll let you pursue this NEW topic on you own. I'll just say if your going to the heart in a money sence why stop at 'American' control?
Find out who's been controling their Privitized banking system 'The Federal Reserve act' since 1913, or atleast what 'foreign nationals' sponsered the bill that passed.
Who knows, mybe you'll come right back to where we started.

 

[The Conquerer22]

Ok I suggest you both take a good look at the history of Canada, we have done more for the world then some older countries, Vimy ridge for one, we've never had a civil war, we were, and I stress the were peacekeepers, though we arwe but not to the extent of the 1970's and 1980's, Passchaendale, Camada's ;last hundred days, hell the Germans were afraid of us, they were basically saying why the . .. .. .. . did it have to be the Canadians and Canadians have a better economy then the states ( any forcasting that Canada may be the next economical powerhouse that the U.S. was) and Canada has a better trained military then most other countries, our military isn't trained in just snipering or whatever ,were trained in everything whereas the American military trains its soldiers in one thing and one thing only because they have enought troops whereas Canadians dont, therefore we have better trained troops

 

[T.A JONES]

Ok I suggest you both take a good look at the history of Canada,.....

Wo there. Who are the "both" your refering to here? Is it the 285 who voted 'No' or me, one of the 27% who voted 'Yes'

Man, Im all for Canadian glorification via civ game. Balancer Reloaded the mod with Peirre Trudeau as Pm was better then the store bough version of civ3 so IM happy conquerin relic nations like Babalyonwith with my Avero Areos, CoastGuard Cutters, Leopords, Sea King's and yes even Mountys ...sorry and the other Redcoats to

 

[jessiecat]

OK. Truce. Thanks Conqueror. Don't get me wrong. Even if I voted No, and
now live outside Canada, I care about my country and appreciate its history
just as much as both of you, I still wouldn't have us in the game. That's a
completly diff. topic. Maybe in a mod, sure, but not vanilla.
You mentioned "Evolution". Was that a bunch of scenarios and maps for
Civ 2? Pretty crappy in general, I remember. Most of them crashed.Good
idea though. What about a collection of scenarios for CIV 4 BTS? Now, that
would be worth having.

 

[T.A JONES]

Yes Truce is good. Btw I envy the adventures you must be having in Europe. Nice to be you. I wish to see the museums and that sorts one day to.

I never notice that siggy peice on Civarmy . I though he meant Civarmy snagged that game Sorren Johnston used as excuse to cut loose from a certain Civ failure for

STill, Thats low dude. Don't drag some personal beef with a CFF everywhere you go. Gives us Canadians a bad name,,bah I don't care what you do. goodnight.

 

[The Conquerer22]

Ill fix the signature later, but Canada I beleive was the most underestimated people ever militaristically, sure our government is increasing spending, on a much underequiped military, but our training is next too none, at the second battle of ypres it was a Canadian that new how to neutralize the gas attack (peeing in a hankercheif(is that how u spell the word?). Thats why ,alongside multiple other reasons that Canada should be let into the civilization series.

P.S. I accept your truth. The both I was referring to was indirectly meant to all that voted no

P.S.S Maybe they could put the format on a cd then sell it to places that will buy the civ games then they add in the countries from a "master copy" disc made up of all the civs, and mods and we only have to pay for the game and we have to pay for the extra civs after downloading 16 civs to the game?

 

[Bhruic]

Speaking as a Canadian, I'd have to say that although I'd love to see Canada in the game, I can't think of any Civ I'd pull from the game to make room for us. Well, from Vanilla. I'd probably swap us with the HRE, but that's a whole different kettle of fish.

Point being, we are a very "modern" country without having the advantage of standing out prominently on the world stage. So we tend to get ranked behind countried who are more prominent now, or countries that have longer/richer histories.

Bh

 

[brianshapiro]

I just want to make one comment after seeing early posts.

There's such a thing as having culture, and having cultural power.

Even as things are happening all over the world and art is being made all over the world, and innovations are being developed all over the world, there is sort of a power structure to culture.

And its not about being able to maintain economically and politically your cultural power, what I'm talking about isn't as brute as that. -- even Canada at some point in its history I'm sure would have seen the US as a symbol of developments that were happening in the modern world, and have been glad to associate itself with the US -- and whenever someone wanted to make something happen on a global scale, they came to the US, because the US provided the largest market in which one could play out modern ideas. On a larger broad scale, someone who wanted to be involved in the new economy would come to the US, someone who wanted to develop technology would come to the US, and someone who wanted to be involved in new media like film would come to the US. Which of course doesn't deny that things didn't happen in people's own countries.

Even now, as other countries accuse the US of being self-centric and arrogant, there is an obsession with America, they talk about American culture more than their own culture. In some cases, they like American products more than Americans like them themselves (Americans didn't watch Baywatch, it was popular internationally)

Baudrillard, a French philosopher, has written extensively on what the meaning of 'America' is to the world, stating as much as Europeans criticize America, its where a lot of European ideals took life. A Dutch filmmaker (don't remember who) recently stated, that he feels its fine for him to talk about American domestic politics, because, since America's culture is everyone's culture, he feels like he's an American too.

The point is that there is a power structure to culture today, and America has an important role. This isn't necessarily a good thing either.

 

[The Conquerer22]

Americas role is decreasing right now, its dollar is slipping, the war is putting them in a near fragile sitution that if one more thing goes wrong who knows there might be a rebellion or something

 

[brianshapiro]

As of now, I think the role of America in world culture hasn't decreased, its just turned into a negative. Everyone is building their identity on "not being America", exaggerating faults of America and exaggerating the good things in their own country---and generally not realizing that a lot of problems in the world today are shared, and its not America vs everyone else. European govts tend to be as corrupt as the US govt is. When people stop doing this we can all grow up.

 

[The Conquerer22]

well I agree the world has shared problems, hell theres even problems that we cant tottally handle ie terrorism