Caveman 2 Cosmos

People really believe in that?

Well, I meant it semi-jokingly, but to some degree, yes (defining singularity as being the point you cannot predict or reason about downstream reality beyond because your current thought processes are not up to it, so the existance of (access to) any signficantly super-human intelligence, whether artificial, biological, or via augmentation, implies a singularity in that sense.
 
Well, I meant it semi-jokingly, but to some degree, yes (defining singularity as being the point you cannot predict or reason about downstream reality beyond because your current thought processes are not up to it, so the existance of (access to) any signficantly super-human intelligence, whether artificial, biological, or via augmentation, implies a singularity in that sense.

Moore's law states that the shrinkage of computers will end in 2015-2020. I've always thought of the Singularity as a nutjob theory that Kurzweil used to get popular. (He even proposed that "evolution" is a process of non-intelligent matter becoming intelligent, which is clearly false.)
 
Moore's law states that the shrinkage of computers will end in 2015-2020. I've always thought of the Singularity as a nutjob theory that Kurzweil used to get popular. (He even proposed that "evolution" is a process of non-intelligent matter becoming intelligent, which is clearly false.)

I don't believe we will see any singularity, but after 2020, there will probably be some other type of computing that will arise to meet the demand for faster computing. Who knows if it will be DNA, optical, or something else, but just because Silicon computing can't go any faster doesn't mean that new methods can't arise. (It does however lend some interesting techs to the Transhuman Era...)
 
Moore's law states that the shrinkage of computers will end in 2015-2020. I've always thought of the Singularity as a nutjob theory that Kurzweil used to get popular. (He even proposed that "evolution" is a process of non-intelligent matter becoming intelligent, which is clearly false.)

Moore's law states no such thing. Some have said that Moore's law will hit physical limits and cease to operate around 2020, but post-silicon (carbon based semiconductors etc) look good for a few years more, and things like quantum computing are looking promising. Clearly (by extant example) brain-equivalent compute densities are physically achieveable, and I see no reason to believe what is evolved in a human brain represents the absolute physical limit, so personally I expect to see computing power to continue to increase to, and past, human-brain-equivalence.
 
Moore's law states no such thing. Some have said that Moore's law will hit physical limits and cease to operate around 2020, but post-silicon (carbon based semiconductors etc) look good for a few years more, and things like quantum computing are looking promising. Clearly (by extant example) brain-equivalent compute densities are physically achieveable, and I see no reason to believe what is evolved in a human brain represents the absolute physical limit, so personally I expect to see computing power to continue to increase to, and past, human-brain-equivalence.

Yeah, buy 2020 individual transistors on chips will be so small that with the Uncertainty Principle the electron might jump over to an adjacent circuit, causing shorts and all that bad stuff. That is the physical limit of silicon computing.

We may very well get brain-density computing, but that doesn't mean that intelligence naturally follows. You probably will end up with just an incredibly fast computer that is no more intelligent than the one I'm using to type this post. That's another discussion however.
 
Yeah, buy 2020 individual transistors on chips will be so small that with the Uncertainty Principle the electron might jump over to an adjacent circuit, causing shorts and all that bad stuff. That is the physical limit of silicon computing.

We may very well get brain-density computing, but that doesn't mean that intelligence naturally follows. You probably will end up with just an incredibly fast computer that is no more intelligent than the one I'm using to type this post. That's another discussion however.

No indeed. But personally I believe the route to post-human intelligence is via augmentation (brain machine interfaces, direct internet connection for greatly improved information storage/retrieveal powers, ability to perform complex analysis outside the biologial cortex, etc.), and which point you don't need to create a new seat of intelligence (at least at first) to get the process rolling.
 
As has been stated on numerous occassions, this is not possible because Firaxis have never released the DLL source code for modding for Civ5.

Why wouldn't they do that?
 
It's proprietary code. In general software manufacturers don't. It was VERY VERY unusual that the CiV IV DLL source was released.

I just read that they announced that the source code would be released soon. Maybe they release for the Civilization series because it's so easily moddable?
 
I just read that they announced that the source code would be released soon. Maybe they release for the Civilization series because it's so easily moddable?

Well, if they release it then C2C for CiV 5 becomes possible, but I think the modders here would actually treat that as more 'Civ 5 graphics engine for C2C' ;)

By that I mean we wouldn't even attemopt to mod the (very different) Civ V ruleset to add the things we have in C2C - we'd just replace it entirely, so what you'd end up with would be C2C with CiV 5 nicer graphics and hexes, but the same CiV 4 based C2C ruleset.

However, it would probably be a large job (C2C would have to go on vacation for 3-6 months while we did it I expect)
 
Well, if they release it then C2C for CiV 5 becomes possible, but I think the modders here would actually treat that as more 'Civ 5 graphics engine for C2C' ;)

By that I mean we wouldn't even attemopt to mod the (very different) Civ V ruleset to add the things we have in C2C - we'd just replace it entirely, so what you'd end up with would be C2C with CiV 5 nicer graphics and hexes, but the same CiV 4 based C2C ruleset.

However, it would probably be a large job (C2C would have to go on vacation for 3-6 months while we did it I expect)

Actually it would take alot longer than that, because they changed the whole rules of how modding is done in Civ5, waaaay more difficult, and cant understand hardly anything about it.:rolleyes:
 
Well, if they release it then C2C for CiV 5 becomes possible, but I think the modders here would actually treat that as more 'Civ 5 graphics engine for C2C' ;)

By that I mean we wouldn't even attemopt to mod the (very different) Civ V ruleset to add the things we have in C2C - we'd just replace it entirely, so what you'd end up with would be C2C with CiV 5 nicer graphics and hexes, but the same CiV 4 based C2C ruleset.

However, it would probably be a large job (C2C would have to go on vacation for 3-6 months while we did it I expect)

That gives me an idea. What if we made Civ IV (and also C2C) with Civ III graphics? It would solve all turn speed problems in an instant.
 
That gives me an idea. What if we made Civ IV (and also C2C) with Civ III graphics? It would solve all turn speed problems in an instant.

Turn speed is not a graphics issue, at least except at the very start. It's almost entirely an AI issue
 
Hydro, just wanna say this mod is fantastic. I was a GamingSteve member back in the day. I shared your disappointment in Spore and it's awesome that you decided to address that letdown by making this killer mod.
 
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