TheOverseer714
Overseer
To be on the safe side, cancel the alliance first, then make peace. I don't want to blow our reputation here. It may come to that, and it won't cause us to lose, but we'll burn that bridge when we cross it.
CBob04 Achtung Panzer!
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CommandoBob
AbstractArt
386 Gold, +18 gpt
50% tax
40% science
10% luxury
Feudalism in 1 turn.
City Builds
City Production
vSword [3] (Berlin, Nuremburg and Cologne)
market [2] (Leipzig and Hamburg)
Catapult [2] (Konigsberg and Hannover)
aqueduct [1] (Munich)
barracks [1] (Heidelburg)
courthouse [1] (Bremen)
worker [1] (Stuttgart)
Military
Compared to the Republican Vikings we are strong.
Compared to the Anarchist Iroquois we are strong.
Compared to the Republican Mongols we are strong.
Compared to the Republican Arabs we are average.
Compared to the Anarchist Babylonians we are average.
Luxuries
03 Wine is connected to Berlin.
01 Spices are connected to Berlin.
Resources
02 Iron are connnected to Berlin.
All cities are connected to Berlin.
International Relations
We have a Military Alliance with Scandanavia vs. Mongols. This can end at any time.
We are at war with the Mongols.
We are at war with the Iroquois.
We are at peace with Babylon.
We are at peace with Arabia.
Mongols will give us Monarchy and 16 of 16 gold if we make peace.
Everyone knows Monarchy so we cannot resell it anywhere. Anyway, the Arabs are the richest AI at 18 gold, followed by the Vikings at 17 gold and then the Mongols. No great tech profit this turn.
State of War with Iroquois
Disorganized, mostly due to the Mongol war and responding to wandering Iroquois units. We do have units on the Iroquois border, and even one vSword inside the border, but nothing strong enough or concentrated enough to begin an offensive.
Our Mongol stack of doom is 4 catapults, 3 Swords and 3 workers. One sword in elite, one of the vetarans is slightly wounded. They are walking on unroaded tiles until they get to Stuttgart, 4 turns from now.
Around Cologne we have 3 swords, all wounded, none on roads. Other military units are in borders cities.
I think our first Iroquois target should be Centralia, their northernmost city. I don't like that; I would rather march through Mauch Chunk down to Niagara Falls for The Statue of Zeus. But Centralia, even though built in the midst of jungle, could threaten Hamburg, Leipzig and Cologne. Razing this city shortens our borders with Iroqouis. But since the jungle is not roaded, it is a major diversion of our efforts. I wonder if it might be better to leave some defenders in these three cities, ignore Centralia, and focus on the cities on the plains and desert.
Iroquois do not have a source of Horses. Vikings do, but it is being used. Mongols do not appear to have a source of Horses, either. Babylon does have an extra Horse.
We can get Vikings to MA vs. Iroquois for Monotheism. They will even give us all their cash, 17 gold pieces. This trade would prevent Viking Horses from being traded to Iroquois. The Great Libary is in Karakorum, Mongolia, so if we do trade Monotheism to the Vikings we are giving it to the Mongols as well. In that case, we might as well sell Monotheism to the Arabs for their 18 gold.
Mid Term Strategy
Weaken the Iroquois.
Explore the new world.
Short Term Strategy
End MA with Vikings vs. Mongols.
Make peace with Mongols for Monarchy and 16 of 16 gold.
Build more Swords; get our forces grouped together; remove Iroquois cities as we head to Niagara Falls to capture The Statue of Zeus, once it is built.
Learn Engineering after Feudalism, followed by Invention.
Upgrade Spears to Pikes? Swords to Maces?
Keep Berlin from rioting.
Raise happy slider to 20%; Berlin does not riot; geek in Frankfurt can work the roaded forest and the city will not starve. Would let us change some clowns to geeks or have them work the fields.
Next City Builds
Berlin: vSword in 1 -> vSword.
Leipzig: market in 7 -> vSword.
Hamburg: market in 17.
Konigsberg: catapult in 3 -> catapult.
Frankfurt: Forbidden Palace in 25.
Munich: aqueduct in 22.
Heidelburg: barracks in 2 -> vSword.
Nurembeg: vSword in 2 -> vSword.
Cologne: vSword in 1 -> vSword.
Hannover: catapult in 5 -> catapult/aqueduct.
Bremen: courthouse in 71.
Stuttgart: worker in 2 -> library.
50% tax
40% science
10% luxury
Feudalism in 1 turn.
City Builds
- Berlin (9) vSword in 1, grows in 3, about to riot.
- Leipzig (7) market in 7, grows in 6, one geek.
- Hamburg (6) market in 17, grows in 9, one geek.
- Konigsberg (7) catapult in 3, grows in 7, one clown.
- Frankfurt (7) Forbidden Palace in 25, shortage of -1 fpt, two geeks.
- Munich (6) aqueduct in 22, grows in 9999, one geek.
- Heidelburg (7) barracks in 2, grows in 27, two geeks.
- Nuremberg (6) vSword in 2, grows in 3.
- Cologne (7) vSword in 1, grows in 110, one clown.
- Hannover (4) catapult in 5, grows in 2.
- Bremen (6) courthouse in 71, grows in 1, one geek.
- Stuttgart (2) worker in 2, grows in 5.
City Production
vSword [3] (Berlin, Nuremburg and Cologne)
market [2] (Leipzig and Hamburg)
Catapult [2] (Konigsberg and Hannover)
aqueduct [1] (Munich)
barracks [1] (Heidelburg)
courthouse [1] (Bremen)
worker [1] (Stuttgart)
Military
- 15 Workers
- 03 Warriors
- 03 Archer
- 02 Spears
- 14 Swords
- 07 Catapult
- 01 Galley (Graf Spee der Zweite)
- 24 Allowed units
- 45 Current units
- 42 gpt unit support
Compared to the Republican Vikings we are strong.
Compared to the Anarchist Iroquois we are strong.
Compared to the Republican Mongols we are strong.
Compared to the Republican Arabs we are average.
Compared to the Anarchist Babylonians we are average.
Luxuries
03 Wine is connected to Berlin.
01 Spices are connected to Berlin.
Resources
02 Iron are connnected to Berlin.
All cities are connected to Berlin.
International Relations
We have a Military Alliance with Scandanavia vs. Mongols. This can end at any time.
We are at war with the Mongols.
We are at war with the Iroquois.
We are at peace with Babylon.
We are at peace with Arabia.
Mongols will give us Monarchy and 16 of 16 gold if we make peace.
Everyone knows Monarchy so we cannot resell it anywhere. Anyway, the Arabs are the richest AI at 18 gold, followed by the Vikings at 17 gold and then the Mongols. No great tech profit this turn.
State of War with Iroquois
Disorganized, mostly due to the Mongol war and responding to wandering Iroquois units. We do have units on the Iroquois border, and even one vSword inside the border, but nothing strong enough or concentrated enough to begin an offensive.
Our Mongol stack of doom is 4 catapults, 3 Swords and 3 workers. One sword in elite, one of the vetarans is slightly wounded. They are walking on unroaded tiles until they get to Stuttgart, 4 turns from now.
Around Cologne we have 3 swords, all wounded, none on roads. Other military units are in borders cities.
I think our first Iroquois target should be Centralia, their northernmost city. I don't like that; I would rather march through Mauch Chunk down to Niagara Falls for The Statue of Zeus. But Centralia, even though built in the midst of jungle, could threaten Hamburg, Leipzig and Cologne. Razing this city shortens our borders with Iroqouis. But since the jungle is not roaded, it is a major diversion of our efforts. I wonder if it might be better to leave some defenders in these three cities, ignore Centralia, and focus on the cities on the plains and desert.
Iroquois do not have a source of Horses. Vikings do, but it is being used. Mongols do not appear to have a source of Horses, either. Babylon does have an extra Horse.
We can get Vikings to MA vs. Iroquois for Monotheism. They will even give us all their cash, 17 gold pieces. This trade would prevent Viking Horses from being traded to Iroquois. The Great Libary is in Karakorum, Mongolia, so if we do trade Monotheism to the Vikings we are giving it to the Mongols as well. In that case, we might as well sell Monotheism to the Arabs for their 18 gold.
Mid Term Strategy
Weaken the Iroquois.
Explore the new world.
Short Term Strategy
End MA with Vikings vs. Mongols.
Make peace with Mongols for Monarchy and 16 of 16 gold.
Build more Swords; get our forces grouped together; remove Iroquois cities as we head to Niagara Falls to capture The Statue of Zeus, once it is built.
Learn Engineering after Feudalism, followed by Invention.
Upgrade Spears to Pikes? Swords to Maces?
Keep Berlin from rioting.
Raise happy slider to 20%; Berlin does not riot; geek in Frankfurt can work the roaded forest and the city will not starve. Would let us change some clowns to geeks or have them work the fields.
Next City Builds
Berlin: vSword in 1 -> vSword.
Leipzig: market in 7 -> vSword.
Hamburg: market in 17.
Konigsberg: catapult in 3 -> catapult.
Frankfurt: Forbidden Palace in 25.
Munich: aqueduct in 22.
Heidelburg: barracks in 2 -> vSword.
Nurembeg: vSword in 2 -> vSword.
Cologne: vSword in 1 -> vSword.
Hannover: catapult in 5 -> catapult/aqueduct.
Bremen: courthouse in 71.
Stuttgart: worker in 2 -> library.
TheOverseer714
Overseer
IIRC, the Mongols do have horses, it's the same town that has iron.
ThinkTank
RL Addict
I favor the second idea. In itself, Centralia is not a productive town, and with all the jungle, movement is slow there, so we will see them coming. After peace with the mongols, leave 1 pike and 1 MDI in Hamburg, Leipzig and Cologne. Once our initiative to the W gets going, get these 3 MDI and the pike from Leipzig to kill Centralia.
Yes!
CommandoBob
AbstractArt
0 (Preflight) 50 AD
We undo the MA with Vikings vs. Mongols.
We make peace with the Mongols in exchange for Monarchy and 16 of 16 gold.
Hit Enter.
Scandanavia and Mongols make peace.
We learn Feudalism, begin to learn Engineering; 11 turns at this rate.
Forgot to keep Berlin happy! Drat.
Berlin riots.
So does Leipzig.
And Hamburg.
Konigsberg.
Frankfurt.
Munich.
Heidelburg.
Nuremberg.
Cologne.
Hannover.
Bremen.
Only Stuttgart (2) is in good order.
We must have lost War Happiness. I checked the save with MapStat and only Berlin was poised to riot. Our citizens are complaining about the cities being too crowded; nothing about the Iroquois war.
1 0070 AD
Increase the Happy slider to 20%; everyone but Munich and Bremen settle down.
Bermen is size 6 and produces 17 food per turn; hire a geek; now produces 15 food per turn. 2 Happy, 2 Unhappy and 2 Geeks.
Munich is also size 6 and produces 16 food per turn; hire a second geek; now produces 15 food per turn. 2 Happy, 2 Unhappy and 2 Geeks.
Save game; MapStat confirms that the cities are on an even keel.
Tax: 40%
Science: 40%
Luxury: 20%
420 gold, +1 gpt
Engineering in 10.
Move our Mongol bashers towards Stuttagart.
Worker and slave N of Stuttgart begin a road in 2.
Two workers S of Cologne 2SE, now NW of Leipzig, to mine and road.
Two workers NW of Hamburg mine in 3.
Worker 2NW of Berin makes mine in 6.
Graf Spee der Zweite sails into Arab waters; sees the Arab city of Khurasan (2); sees a yellowish border to the north. Egypt?
Minor Skirmish
eSword 4/5 vs. rArcher, Sword wins with no further damage, but does not promote (1 of 1).
We have three other lightly wounded Swords; they all heal in place. The one red-lined Sword near Cologne moves to Leipzig to heal next turn.
Healthy sword inside Iroquois borders near Mauch Chunk moves N into friendly territory.
Catapults move towards Hannover.
[IBT]
Abu Bakr asks us to move our speed boat. We agree.
All our cities get back in order.
Stuttgart -> library in 40.
2 0090 AD
Fire geek in Frankfurt to work newly mined hill; FP in 18, not 21, Frankfurt at zero growth.
Hire third geek in Munich, still net 3 shields per turn. City cannot grow; aqueduct in 29.
Workers SE of Frankfurt S-SW to flood plain, to road.
Workers 2SE of Leipizig, SW onto hill, to mine and road.
Workers NW of Leipzig mine, finish in 3.
New worker in Stuttgart, S-SW, to mine and road.
Worker NW of Nuremburg, mines in 6.
Worker N-NW of Bremen, NW to flood plain, to road and irrigate.
Workers SE of Bremen, head to desert tile NW of Munich, to road.
Graf Spee der Zweite sails 2N. sees Egyptian city of Byblos (5) defended by an rSpear and an American rHorse SE of the city.
We talk to America.
America has 23 gold.
We have 421 gold. And Literature, Currency and The Republic.
We talk to Egypt.
Egypt has 2 gold.
We have 421 gold. And Currency and The Republic.
Graf Spee der Zweite sails NW.
Mongol Bashers head to Stuttgart.
Sword moves to protect 3 workers on flood plain south of Frankfurt.
Elite Sword moves out of Iroquois territory.
Sword arrives in Hannover.
We sell Literature to America for 23 of 23 gold. It is the best deal we can get right now.
Check MapStat for city counts of the newly discovered.
This is rather embarassing.
We have 12 cities; both Babylon and Egypt have 13; Arabs have 11 and America 10.
We are still the cultural leaders at 988 culture points. Bablyon is in second placed with 631.
Our culture is also growing the fastest, at +36 cpt. Arabs are at +34 cpt.
Should we put on our tu-tus and waltz to a cultural victory?
[IBT]
Berlin vMace -> vMace in 4.
Heidelburg barracks -> vPike in 6.
Cologne vMace -> vMace in 5.
3 0110 AD
We have a trade route to Trondheim. Incense for Wines is possible.
Worker and slave 1N of Stuttgart begin a mine now that the road is finished.
Worker S-SW of Stuttgart threatened by Iroquois Archer, moves 1E.
Workers E-SE of Leipzig mine the hill, finish in 6.
Workers start and finish roading the flood plain 2S of Frankfurt.
Workers enter the irrigated desert NW of Munich.
Mongol Bashers enter the homeland on the roaded grassland 1N of Stuttgart.
Spear in that tile moves into Stuttgart.
Wake a Sword in Stuttgart; he heads 2S to deal with an rArcher.
Minor Skirmish
vSword vs. rArcher, Sword wins (2 of 2).
Two Swords on the hill S-SW of Cologne move E onto roaded grassland.
Sword arrives in Hannover.
We find the city of Houston (3).
We can sell Monotheism to Vikings for an MA vs. Iroquois, Incense and 9 of 9 gold. The Vikings have only one horse connceted and they must be using it; it is not available for trade. That is good; that means Iroquois still lack access to Horses. As long as that is true, I'm not too concerned about an MA with Vikings. The idea of the MA was to keep Horses away from the Iroquois. If the Vikings are making Horse units, fine; better them than the Iroquois making their UU.
Whoops! Hannover is about to riot. Hire a geek and the danger is averted.
[IBT]
America wants Graf Spee der Zweite to sail away. We agree.
Bunch of American units move towards Byblos.
Konigsberg catapult -> catapult in 3.
Palace Expansion. We add rocket launchers.
4 0130 AD
Arabs learned Feudalism, and then so did the Mongols, thanks to The Great Library.
We have three Iroqouis Archers inside our borders.
Mongols slaves, newly arrived in the Fatherland, join the mine building fun 1N of Stuttgart.
Two workers irrigate the freshly roaded flood plains 2S of Frankfurt. The third worker moves 1N onto a hill, to road.
Workers in the irrigated desert NW of Munich begin a road, finish in 2.
Workers NW of Hannover finish their mine and move N-NE to help a worker mine a hill.
New worker from Stuttgart, now NW of Cologne, moves to the BG NW of Stuttgart, to road and mine.
Allow our wounded sword with the Mongol Bashers to rest and heal.
Two other swords head towards Hannover.
Minor Skirmish
eArcher vs. rArcher 1/3, we win but do not promote (3 of 3).
eSword 4/5 vs. rArcher, Sword wins but does not promote (4 of 4).
vSword vs. rArcher, Sword wins and promotes to Elite! (5 of 5).
Move vSword to protect the eArcher, now south of Hannover.
We find Philadelphia (2).
Upgrade vSpear to vPike, 30 gold.
Ugrade vSword to vMace, 30 gold.
Hire a geek in Berlin to avert a riot.
Bremen is at size 6 and needs an aqueduct; hire 3rd geek.
Embassy costs:
Mongols: 53 gold
America: 53 gold
Egypt: 94 gold
Arabia: 89 gold
Babylon: 58 gold
[IBT]
Iroquios Spears are headed our way. Fly! Flee! 'Run away! Run away!'
Nuremburg vMace -> vMace in 6.
Iroquois are building Sun Tzu's Art of War (Feudalism).
Arabs are building Sun Tzu's Art of War.
5 0150 AD
Worker NW of Stuttgart begins road.
Workers NW of Leipzig complete mine, start road.
Workers E of Hamburg help mine, finish in 2.
Worker S of Frankfurt begins a hillside road, finish in 6.
No Iroquois units inside our borders.
eArcher and vSword move back into Hannover.
Two wounded Swords heal in place, third, at 3/5, heads into Leipzig.
Mace arrives in Hannover.
Ugrade 1 Sword in Hamburg, 30 gold.
send a Sword from Hannover to Hamburg; upgrade next turn.
Last of the Mongol Bashers, now at full health, begins the long walk to Hannover.
Boston (3) is sighted.
The Arabs are even in tech.
Only Egypt lacks knowledge of Republic; somehow that got traded around on the IBT.
We sell Republic to Egypt for her last 9 gold. At least we get the money, not an AI.
Currency is the only remaining AA tech we have to sell.
[IBT]
Some Iroquois encroachment.
Hannover catapult -> aqueduct in 34.
6 0170 AD
All the flood plains are now roaded and irrigated. Workers move NE onto roaded hill to mine.
Desert NW of Munich now roaded, workers move 2N onto to hill, to road.
Four Mongol slaves move onto BG NW of Stuttgart, to mine.
Minor Skirmishes
eSword (Warrior01) vs. rArcher, Sword wins but no promotion (6 of 6).
Catapults damage 2 units near Hannover.
eArcher vs. rSpear 1/3, one arrow and one kill (7 of 7).
vSword vs. rArcher 2/3, Sword wins (8 of 8).
Move Mace from Hannover to protect the victorious vSword, now at 2/4.
Iroquis rSpear is 2E of Mauch Chunk and could be a real pest.
Wake vArcher in Frankfurt and send to help vSword deal with this unit.
Two Maces arrive in Hannnover.
Upgrade 1 vSword in Hamburg for 30 gold.
We visit Seattle (5).
[IBT]
vMace protecting vSword outside of Hannover kills 2 Archers and promotes to Elite (10 of 10).
Berlin vMace -> vMace in 4.
Konigsberg catapult -> catapult in 3.
7 0190 AD
America and Egypt both learned Currency on the IBT. We could have sold them Currency for a grand total of 3 gold.
Workers on the roaded hill S-SE of Frankfurt begin to mine, finish in 6.
Three workers E of Hamburg road the mined hill, finish in 2.
Workers NW of Leipzig move to NE of Leipzig, to mine and road.
Worker 2NW of Berlin, mine finished, begins road, finish in 3.
Four slaves NW of Stuttgart begin to mine, finish in 3.
Workers 2SE of Konigsberg road the hill, finish in 3.
Minor Skirmishes
Catapults take an eArcher down to 2/5.
eSword (Warrior01) 4/5 vs. eArcher 2/5, Sword wins but does not promote (11 of 11).
vArcher vs. rSpear, Archer wins and promotes to Elite (12 of 12).
vSword vs. rSpear, Spear wins and promotes (12 of 13).
vMace vs. vSpear 2/4, Mace wins (13 of 14).
Pike arrives at Hannover.
Wounded Mace and Sword, both yellowed, move to Hamburg, to use the barracks to heal.
Uprade 1 vSword in Cologne for 30 gold.
We find Atlanta (2).
[IBT]
Leipzig market -> vMace in 4.
Cologne vMace -> vMace in 5.
Mongols are building Sun Tzu's Art of War (Feudalism).
8 0210 AD
Workers NE of Leipzig mine, finish in 3.
Worker in Cologne 2SE to make a forest road.
Worker NW of Nuremberg W to mine and road grassland.
Worker NW of Stuttgart, SW into forest, to chop for Stuttgart's library.
eArcher heals in place.
Wounded units heal in Hamburg.
Minor Skirmishes
Five Catapults take an rSpear down to 2/3.
vMace vs. rSpear 2/3, Mace wins (14 of 15).
eArcher vs. rArcher, we win but do not promote (15 of 16).
Pike moves to protect eArcher; both are in Iroquois territory.
Hire a second geek in Berlin to prevent riots.
Hire a second geek in Konigsberg for the same reason.
[IBT]
Heidelburg vPike -> vPike in 6.
9 0230 AD
Engineering in 1; drop science down to 0% and still learn it this IBT; +64 gold this turn.
Three workers E of Hamburg move 2E onto forest, to make a road.
Workers finish the mine on the hill S-SE of Leipzig, begin to road, finish in 3.
Worker 2SE of Cologne begins forest road, finish in 6.
Worker 2N of Berlin begins to mine, finish in 6.
Worker W of Stuttgart begins chop, finish in 4.
We move 5 catapults, eArher, 3 Maces and 1 Pike next to Mauch Chunk.
Other military unit move towards or through Hannover, on their way to help out.
We sail past Atlanta.
[IBT]
We learn Engineering and begin to learn Invention, due in 26 turns at 0% science.
Berlin vMace -> vMace in 4.
10 0250 AD
We have a monopoly on Engineering but the two richest civs together have 50 gold.
Three workers start a forest road 1N of Frankfurt, finish in 2.
Worker 2NW of Berlin moves 2NE to help another worker mine and road.
Workers 2SW of Konigsberg move north onto grassland to road.
Four slaves NW of Stuttgart move to BG S-SW of Stuttgart, to mine and to road.
Battle of Mauch Chunk (3)
Five catapults red-line the rSpear in Mauch Chunk.
eArcher 4/5 vs. rSpear 1/3, one arrow, one kill, no promotion (16 of 17).
Good News
We raze the city. We captured one slave when we took a city; razing the city gives us a second slave. Both begin a road.
Minor Skirmishes
Four catapults red-line an rArcher.
We have 3 Elite units next to this red-lined rArcher; 2 Swords and 1 Mace.
eMace vs. rArcher 1/3, one swing, one dead Archer, zero promotions (17 of 18).
No more attacks possible this turn, but many military units can still move.
Need to discuss how to attack the Iroquois. Which city do we attack next?
Science slider needs to be changed too.
[IBT]
We undo the MA with Vikings vs. Mongols.
We make peace with the Mongols in exchange for Monarchy and 16 of 16 gold.
Hit Enter.
We learn Feudalism, begin to learn Engineering; 11 turns at this rate.
Forgot to keep Berlin happy! Drat.
Berlin riots.
So does Leipzig.
And Hamburg.
Konigsberg.
Frankfurt.
Munich.
Heidelburg.
Nuremberg.
Cologne.
Hannover.
Bremen.
Only Stuttgart (2) is in good order.
We must have lost War Happiness. I checked the save with MapStat and only Berlin was poised to riot. Our citizens are complaining about the cities being too crowded; nothing about the Iroquois war.
1 0070 AD
Increase the Happy slider to 20%; everyone but Munich and Bremen settle down.
Bermen is size 6 and produces 17 food per turn; hire a geek; now produces 15 food per turn. 2 Happy, 2 Unhappy and 2 Geeks.
Munich is also size 6 and produces 16 food per turn; hire a second geek; now produces 15 food per turn. 2 Happy, 2 Unhappy and 2 Geeks.
Save game; MapStat confirms that the cities are on an even keel.
Tax: 40%
Science: 40%
Luxury: 20%
420 gold, +1 gpt
Engineering in 10.
Move our Mongol bashers towards Stuttagart.
Worker and slave N of Stuttgart begin a road in 2.
Two workers S of Cologne 2SE, now NW of Leipzig, to mine and road.
Two workers NW of Hamburg mine in 3.
Worker 2NW of Berin makes mine in 6.
Graf Spee der Zweite sails into Arab waters; sees the Arab city of Khurasan (2); sees a yellowish border to the north. Egypt?
Minor Skirmish
eSword 4/5 vs. rArcher, Sword wins with no further damage, but does not promote (1 of 1).
We have three other lightly wounded Swords; they all heal in place. The one red-lined Sword near Cologne moves to Leipzig to heal next turn.
Healthy sword inside Iroquois borders near Mauch Chunk moves N into friendly territory.
Catapults move towards Hannover.
Abu Bakr asks us to move our speed boat. We agree.
All our cities get back in order.
Stuttgart -> library in 40.
2 0090 AD
Fire geek in Frankfurt to work newly mined hill; FP in 18, not 21, Frankfurt at zero growth.
Hire third geek in Munich, still net 3 shields per turn. City cannot grow; aqueduct in 29.
Workers SE of Frankfurt S-SW to flood plain, to road.
Workers 2SE of Leipizig, SW onto hill, to mine and road.
Workers NW of Leipzig mine, finish in 3.
New worker in Stuttgart, S-SW, to mine and road.
Worker NW of Nuremburg, mines in 6.
Worker N-NW of Bremen, NW to flood plain, to road and irrigate.
Workers SE of Bremen, head to desert tile NW of Munich, to road.
Graf Spee der Zweite sails 2N. sees Egyptian city of Byblos (5) defended by an rSpear and an American rHorse SE of the city.
We talk to America.
America has 23 gold.
We have 421 gold. And Literature, Currency and The Republic.
We talk to Egypt.
Egypt has 2 gold.
We have 421 gold. And Currency and The Republic.
Graf Spee der Zweite sails NW.
Mongol Bashers head to Stuttgart.
Sword moves to protect 3 workers on flood plain south of Frankfurt.
Elite Sword moves out of Iroquois territory.
Sword arrives in Hannover.
We sell Literature to America for 23 of 23 gold. It is the best deal we can get right now.
Check MapStat for city counts of the newly discovered.
This is rather embarassing.
We have 12 cities; both Babylon and Egypt have 13; Arabs have 11 and America 10.
We are still the cultural leaders at 988 culture points. Bablyon is in second placed with 631.
Our culture is also growing the fastest, at +36 cpt. Arabs are at +34 cpt.
Should we put on our tu-tus and waltz to a cultural victory?
Berlin vMace -> vMace in 4.
Heidelburg barracks -> vPike in 6.
Cologne vMace -> vMace in 5.
3 0110 AD
We have a trade route to Trondheim. Incense for Wines is possible.
Worker and slave 1N of Stuttgart begin a mine now that the road is finished.
Worker S-SW of Stuttgart threatened by Iroquois Archer, moves 1E.
Workers E-SE of Leipzig mine the hill, finish in 6.
Workers start and finish roading the flood plain 2S of Frankfurt.
Workers enter the irrigated desert NW of Munich.
Mongol Bashers enter the homeland on the roaded grassland 1N of Stuttgart.
Spear in that tile moves into Stuttgart.
Wake a Sword in Stuttgart; he heads 2S to deal with an rArcher.
Minor Skirmish
vSword vs. rArcher, Sword wins (2 of 2).
Two Swords on the hill S-SW of Cologne move E onto roaded grassland.
Sword arrives in Hannover.
We find the city of Houston (3).
We can sell Monotheism to Vikings for an MA vs. Iroquois, Incense and 9 of 9 gold. The Vikings have only one horse connceted and they must be using it; it is not available for trade. That is good; that means Iroquois still lack access to Horses. As long as that is true, I'm not too concerned about an MA with Vikings. The idea of the MA was to keep Horses away from the Iroquois. If the Vikings are making Horse units, fine; better them than the Iroquois making their UU.
Whoops! Hannover is about to riot. Hire a geek and the danger is averted.
America wants Graf Spee der Zweite to sail away. We agree.
Bunch of American units move towards Byblos.
Konigsberg catapult -> catapult in 3.
Palace Expansion. We add rocket launchers.
4 0130 AD
Arabs learned Feudalism, and then so did the Mongols, thanks to The Great Library.
We have three Iroqouis Archers inside our borders.
Mongols slaves, newly arrived in the Fatherland, join the mine building fun 1N of Stuttgart.
Two workers irrigate the freshly roaded flood plains 2S of Frankfurt. The third worker moves 1N onto a hill, to road.
Workers in the irrigated desert NW of Munich begin a road, finish in 2.
Workers NW of Hannover finish their mine and move N-NE to help a worker mine a hill.
New worker from Stuttgart, now NW of Cologne, moves to the BG NW of Stuttgart, to road and mine.
Allow our wounded sword with the Mongol Bashers to rest and heal.
Two other swords head towards Hannover.
Minor Skirmish
eArcher vs. rArcher 1/3, we win but do not promote (3 of 3).
eSword 4/5 vs. rArcher, Sword wins but does not promote (4 of 4).
vSword vs. rArcher, Sword wins and promotes to Elite! (5 of 5).
Move vSword to protect the eArcher, now south of Hannover.
We find Philadelphia (2).
Upgrade vSpear to vPike, 30 gold.
Ugrade vSword to vMace, 30 gold.
Hire a geek in Berlin to avert a riot.
Bremen is at size 6 and needs an aqueduct; hire 3rd geek.
Embassy costs:
Mongols: 53 gold
America: 53 gold
Egypt: 94 gold
Arabia: 89 gold
Babylon: 58 gold
Iroquios Spears are headed our way. Fly! Flee! 'Run away! Run away!'
Nuremburg vMace -> vMace in 6.
Iroquois are building Sun Tzu's Art of War (Feudalism).
Arabs are building Sun Tzu's Art of War.
5 0150 AD
Worker NW of Stuttgart begins road.
Workers NW of Leipzig complete mine, start road.
Workers E of Hamburg help mine, finish in 2.
Worker S of Frankfurt begins a hillside road, finish in 6.
No Iroquois units inside our borders.
eArcher and vSword move back into Hannover.
Two wounded Swords heal in place, third, at 3/5, heads into Leipzig.
Mace arrives in Hannover.
Ugrade 1 Sword in Hamburg, 30 gold.
send a Sword from Hannover to Hamburg; upgrade next turn.
Last of the Mongol Bashers, now at full health, begins the long walk to Hannover.
Boston (3) is sighted.
The Arabs are even in tech.
Only Egypt lacks knowledge of Republic; somehow that got traded around on the IBT.
We sell Republic to Egypt for her last 9 gold. At least we get the money, not an AI.
Currency is the only remaining AA tech we have to sell.
Some Iroquois encroachment.
Hannover catapult -> aqueduct in 34.
6 0170 AD
All the flood plains are now roaded and irrigated. Workers move NE onto roaded hill to mine.
Desert NW of Munich now roaded, workers move 2N onto to hill, to road.
Four Mongol slaves move onto BG NW of Stuttgart, to mine.
Minor Skirmishes
eSword (Warrior01) vs. rArcher, Sword wins but no promotion (6 of 6).
Catapults damage 2 units near Hannover.
eArcher vs. rSpear 1/3, one arrow and one kill (7 of 7).
vSword vs. rArcher 2/3, Sword wins (8 of 8).
Move Mace from Hannover to protect the victorious vSword, now at 2/4.
Iroquis rSpear is 2E of Mauch Chunk and could be a real pest.
Wake vArcher in Frankfurt and send to help vSword deal with this unit.
Two Maces arrive in Hannnover.
Upgrade 1 vSword in Hamburg for 30 gold.
We visit Seattle (5).
vMace protecting vSword outside of Hannover kills 2 Archers and promotes to Elite (10 of 10).
Berlin vMace -> vMace in 4.
Konigsberg catapult -> catapult in 3.
7 0190 AD
America and Egypt both learned Currency on the IBT. We could have sold them Currency for a grand total of 3 gold.
Workers on the roaded hill S-SE of Frankfurt begin to mine, finish in 6.
Three workers E of Hamburg road the mined hill, finish in 2.
Workers NW of Leipzig move to NE of Leipzig, to mine and road.
Worker 2NW of Berlin, mine finished, begins road, finish in 3.
Four slaves NW of Stuttgart begin to mine, finish in 3.
Workers 2SE of Konigsberg road the hill, finish in 3.
Minor Skirmishes
Catapults take an eArcher down to 2/5.
eSword (Warrior01) 4/5 vs. eArcher 2/5, Sword wins but does not promote (11 of 11).
vArcher vs. rSpear, Archer wins and promotes to Elite (12 of 12).
vSword vs. rSpear, Spear wins and promotes (12 of 13).
vMace vs. vSpear 2/4, Mace wins (13 of 14).
Pike arrives at Hannover.
Wounded Mace and Sword, both yellowed, move to Hamburg, to use the barracks to heal.
Uprade 1 vSword in Cologne for 30 gold.
We find Atlanta (2).
Leipzig market -> vMace in 4.
Cologne vMace -> vMace in 5.
Mongols are building Sun Tzu's Art of War (Feudalism).
8 0210 AD
Workers NE of Leipzig mine, finish in 3.
Worker in Cologne 2SE to make a forest road.
Worker NW of Nuremberg W to mine and road grassland.
Worker NW of Stuttgart, SW into forest, to chop for Stuttgart's library.
eArcher heals in place.
Wounded units heal in Hamburg.
Minor Skirmishes
Five Catapults take an rSpear down to 2/3.
vMace vs. rSpear 2/3, Mace wins (14 of 15).
eArcher vs. rArcher, we win but do not promote (15 of 16).
Pike moves to protect eArcher; both are in Iroquois territory.
Hire a second geek in Berlin to prevent riots.
Hire a second geek in Konigsberg for the same reason.
Heidelburg vPike -> vPike in 6.
9 0230 AD
Engineering in 1; drop science down to 0% and still learn it this IBT; +64 gold this turn.
Three workers E of Hamburg move 2E onto forest, to make a road.
Workers finish the mine on the hill S-SE of Leipzig, begin to road, finish in 3.
Worker 2SE of Cologne begins forest road, finish in 6.
Worker 2N of Berlin begins to mine, finish in 6.
Worker W of Stuttgart begins chop, finish in 4.
We move 5 catapults, eArher, 3 Maces and 1 Pike next to Mauch Chunk.
Other military unit move towards or through Hannover, on their way to help out.
We sail past Atlanta.
We learn Engineering and begin to learn Invention, due in 26 turns at 0% science.
Berlin vMace -> vMace in 4.
10 0250 AD
We have a monopoly on Engineering but the two richest civs together have 50 gold.
Three workers start a forest road 1N of Frankfurt, finish in 2.
Worker 2NW of Berlin moves 2NE to help another worker mine and road.
Workers 2SW of Konigsberg move north onto grassland to road.
Four slaves NW of Stuttgart move to BG S-SW of Stuttgart, to mine and to road.
Battle of Mauch Chunk (3)
Five catapults red-line the rSpear in Mauch Chunk.
eArcher 4/5 vs. rSpear 1/3, one arrow, one kill, no promotion (16 of 17).
Good News
We raze the city. We captured one slave when we took a city; razing the city gives us a second slave. Both begin a road.
Minor Skirmishes
Four catapults red-line an rArcher.
We have 3 Elite units next to this red-lined rArcher; 2 Swords and 1 Mace.
eMace vs. rArcher 1/3, one swing, one dead Archer, zero promotions (17 of 18).
No more attacks possible this turn, but many military units can still move.
Need to discuss how to attack the Iroquois. Which city do we attack next?
Science slider needs to be changed too.
CommandoBob
AbstractArt
New World So Far 250 AD
A picture is just so much better than the written description.
Iroquois Desert Area 250 AD
This is really why I stopped in mid-turn. Mauch Chunk is gone, but where do we go next?
Niagara Falls has not yet built The Statue of Zeus. It would be nice if they built it for us, but I don't know how long we can wait. No one else is building this wonder. I don't really care if they build it or not. That Ivory is more important than the Wonder.
The workers are all 'moved'. Only military units are left to allocate. I think one catapult is still free to be moved.
A picture is just so much better than the written description.
Iroquois Desert Area 250 AD
This is really why I stopped in mid-turn. Mauch Chunk is gone, but where do we go next?
Niagara Falls has not yet built The Statue of Zeus. It would be nice if they built it for us, but I don't know how long we can wait. No one else is building this wonder. I don't really care if they build it or not. That Ivory is more important than the Wonder.
The workers are all 'moved'. Only military units are left to allocate. I think one catapult is still free to be moved.
TheOverseer714
Overseer
Allegheny is bigger and on a hill, but it is closer. Cattaraugus needs to go so we get access to the Ivory, so I think we should go that way. Since it is on desert, it won't have the big defensive bonus either. I'll get to this after I finish my other SG turns.
CommandoBob
AbstractArt
I know this is gazing into the future a bit so actual events could change how this works.
Whether we keep Niagara Falls or raze/replace it, we face an issue of having a trade route over a lot of land tiles. Since we'll be razing a lot of cities, the AI's will try to build in the empty spots. Those cities could interrupt our land route of Ivory as it connects to Berlin.
Which is a rather longwinded way of saying that a Harbor in Niagara Falls might be a good idea.
Whether we keep Niagara Falls or raze/replace it, we face an issue of having a trade route over a lot of land tiles. Since we'll be razing a lot of cities, the AI's will try to build in the empty spots. Those cities could interrupt our land route of Ivory as it connects to Berlin.
Which is a rather longwinded way of saying that a Harbor in Niagara Falls might be a good idea.
TheOverseer714
Overseer
I agree. I also am thinking that we will want to raze Niagara Falls and build our own town on top of the Ivory, so we only lose the Ivory if we lose the city.
CommandoBob
AbstractArt
I don't mind razing Niagara Falls, but what if The Statue of Zeus has been built? Is it worth keeping?
I can see where the Ancient Cavalry could be nice, since we don't have any Horses connected right now. The other consideration is the flip risk of the city. It is size 5 right now; capturing it would make it size 4; hmm; still sorta iffy on the flipping, even if we squelched all resistance on the first turn of occupation.
I don't have a strong preference either way.
I can see where the Ancient Cavalry could be nice, since we don't have any Horses connected right now. The other consideration is the flip risk of the city. It is size 5 right now; capturing it would make it size 4; hmm; still sorta iffy on the flipping, even if we squelched all resistance on the first turn of occupation.
I don't have a strong preference either way.
TheOverseer714
Overseer
I would risk the flips to keep the SoZ, should it be built. If it isn't built, we build it. Having a mobile attacker is very important at Emperor. Not a gamebreaker, but it makes a game more winnable.
TheOverseer714
Overseer
I am beginning play, will try to finish tomorrow night, but it may not take that long. I will implement what we have discussed.
TheOverseer714
Overseer
Sorry it has taken so long, but I am finally done with my turn-set. Highlights are 1 Iroquois city burned, another captured. The budget is finally balanced, but mostly due to lost troops. We also have the FP, Ivory, and the SoZ nearly finished. Here is the turn-log:
Some ideas: We need some happy juice. Might I suggest a phony war? I think Babylon or America would make a fine target, they are Backward and across the ocean. Trades: I wonder what the Arabs would give for Invention. Might we get Theology even-up? They will give 59 gpt for Engineering! And then Theology for Invention and 125 gold. Very tempting...
The save:
Spoiler :
Some ideas: We need some happy juice. Might I suggest a phony war? I think Babylon or America would make a fine target, they are Backward and across the ocean. Trades: I wonder what the Arabs would give for Invention. Might we get Theology even-up? They will give 59 gpt for Engineering! And then Theology for Invention and 125 gold. Very tempting...
The save:
TheOverseer714
Overseer
Anyone out there?
CommandoBob
AbstractArt
I had a sickly weekend and turns due in other games.
I've downloaded the save but little more than that.
I'll try to change all that soon.
I've downloaded the save but little more than that.
I'll try to change all that soon.
Ansar
Détente avec l'été
lurker's comment: Well, even if AIs block the roads to the German Reich (
), there are always harbors which work just as fine in linking up the ivory.Meh, from all the Emperor games I've played, flip risk has never been much of an issue if you starve the town to pop one and manage to secure the area.
Maybe I'll try a turnset later, but for now, I'm brainstorming a variant for a possible SG (or story).
TheOverseer714
Overseer
We'd love to see you back in the SG community, Ansar, so join in if you can. Brainstorming, eh? One of my favorite activities You need someone to bounce ideas off of, feel free to drop in.
You need someone to bounce ideas off of, feel free to drop in.ThinkTank
RL Addict
Who's up? Can you publish a roster CBob?
CommandoBob
AbstractArt
Roster:
TheOverseer714 - just played
Tad Empire_0_o - luking
ThinkTank - UP!
Cerenkov - lurking
Sasquatch - lurking
CommandoBob - on deck
next player / TheOverseer714 - warming up
TheOverseer714 - just played
Tad Empire_0_o - luking
ThinkTank - UP!
Cerenkov - lurking
Sasquatch - lurking
CommandoBob - on deck
next player / TheOverseer714 - warming up
TheOverseer714
Overseer
I think Bob is up, but he had RL issues this weekend, I think he is an election official, and they had an election coming up.
Edit: There is your answer
Edit: There is your answer
