CBob04 Achtung Panzer!
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ThinkTank
RL Addict
Got it. I'll play this Thursday or Friday.
ThinkTank
RL Addict
Playing ... stay tuned.
I'm in 410 AD and all is well. We have the SoZ! We destroyed Tonawanda and conquered Centralia and Salamanca (whichs contains the ToA). And we have an MDI army!
Will finish tomorrow, tonight Holland plays the quarterfinal.
I'm in 410 AD and all is well. We have the SoZ! We destroyed Tonawanda and conquered Centralia and Salamanca (whichs contains the ToA). And we have an MDI army!
Will finish tomorrow, tonight Holland plays the quarterfinal.
CommandoBob
AbstractArt
Sounds good to me!
ThinkTank
RL Addict
In 440AD now, Iroquois will almost certainly be destroyed next turn. We have a second MGL!!! What to do with it? Second army (not needed for the war) or rush the Heroic Epic somewhere?
TheOverseer714
Overseer
Rush HE in a city that needs some culture.
CommandoBob
AbstractArt
HE sounds good; too early for the Pentagon.
ThinkTank
RL Addict
I've played. Iroquois are destroyed. We still have an unused MGL in Grand River, it should go to rush the HE somewhere. This means that the shields in Leipzig should be assigned to another wonder. I kept most Iroquois cities; if we do not want that, we should now discuss which ones to disband.
The turnlog:
The save:
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Spoiler :
The save:
ThinkTank
RL Addict
Turnlog added to previous post.
Issues: I kept most Iro cities as I wanted to know if we had salt in that area so that we could at least keep the salt in our borders. We know that now, we have salt at Allegheny. Personally I think we should keep all cities we have now and play defensive from here, but if the team disagrees we should probably disband some cities now. Note that having them for a couple of turns has not had a major effct on the game so far (disbanding might) except possibly a negative one in that it has slowed down our offensive by tying up units as defenders for the conquered cities.
Issues: I kept most Iro cities as I wanted to know if we had salt in that area so that we could at least keep the salt in our borders. We know that now, we have salt at Allegheny. Personally I think we should keep all cities we have now and play defensive from here, but if the team disagrees we should probably disband some cities now. Note that having them for a couple of turns has not had a major effct on the game so far (disbanding might) except possibly a negative one in that it has slowed down our offensive by tying up units as defenders for the conquered cities.
CommandoBob
AbstractArt
Iroquois are gone!
I'm sure you had too much fun, ThinkTank. Killing off an AI always gives me a smile.
We now have 20 cities, which is our max for a while. Centrailia is a city is a very bad location, stuck in the middle of a jungle, surronded by 8 tiles of jungle. A city-site only the AI could love. If we had to get rid of a city this would be my first choice.
Luxuries
We now have 3 luxuries inside our borders. These home-grown goodies are Wines, Spices and Ivory. We import Incense from Scandanavia and our current deal ends in 11 turns.
I would like to consider the possiblity that we gain our own source of Incense.
This means a Viking war to capture Reykjavik, which has one Incense NW of the city and two more one tile further out.
That would give us 21 cities, so we would have to do something with one city; either abandon it or gift it to an AI.
Overseas
We may need to slow down the tech race overseas. Military Alliances would do the trick, but we need embassies in order to do. And we need a victim(s). I think we should try to have two wars on-going at all times overseas at all times. If they are fighting they are not researching.
Got It!
But it will be a few days before I can play. Which gives plenty of time to kick around these ideas and see if they are worth anything.
I'm sure you had too much fun, ThinkTank. Killing off an AI always gives me a smile.
We now have 20 cities, which is our max for a while. Centrailia is a city is a very bad location, stuck in the middle of a jungle, surronded by 8 tiles of jungle. A city-site only the AI could love. If we had to get rid of a city this would be my first choice.
Luxuries
We now have 3 luxuries inside our borders. These home-grown goodies are Wines, Spices and Ivory. We import Incense from Scandanavia and our current deal ends in 11 turns.
I would like to consider the possiblity that we gain our own source of Incense.
This means a Viking war to capture Reykjavik, which has one Incense NW of the city and two more one tile further out.
That would give us 21 cities, so we would have to do something with one city; either abandon it or gift it to an AI.
Overseas
We may need to slow down the tech race overseas. Military Alliances would do the trick, but we need embassies in order to do. And we need a victim(s). I think we should try to have two wars on-going at all times overseas at all times. If they are fighting they are not researching.
Got It!
But it will be a few days before I can play. Which gives plenty of time to kick around these ideas and see if they are worth anything.
ThinkTank
RL Addict
I'm sure you had too much fun, ThinkTank. Killing off an AI always gives me a smile.
Yeah! It was relatively easy since they had no iron nor horses.
It is on a river and has potential because under the jungle is grass, but it will take a lot of worker turns. I'd keep it because we have a shot at finding coal in the area. I'd actually build some culture there so that it grabs as much jungle as it can (2 city expansions). If we need to let go of a city I'd say abandon Awkesasne.
As for research, we should avoid metallurgy for as long as possible since it expires the SoZ. We don't have horses so this will be our only source of fast units. Likewise, Education expires the ToA, we should at least wait with acquiring that until our recently conquered towns get their first culture expansion.
TheOverseer714
Overseer
We can research the upper path at least through Printing Press, then do Metallurgy or Education on a minimum run to get a nice stash of cash and ACavs. That money could be used to buy embassies overseas and then for alliances to keep them at each others throats. We can also reuse the strategy of tying peace treaties to alliances to really stir the pot. It has been awhile since I've seen the map, but I would guess that desert and plains towns could be abandoned and/or replaced with a more useful setup to keep the AI from building new towns. Of course deserts have oil and saltpeter at times, and IIRC, our UU needs oil. I'd love to see what things look like before I make a fool out of myself
CommandoBob
AbstractArt
My plan is to get to back on track this evening.
Sorry for the delay.
Sorry for the delay.
CommandoBob
AbstractArt
485 Gold, +23 gpt
20% tax
60% science
20% luxury
Chemistry in 9 turns.
City Builds (Italics = max city size)
City Production
Sun Tzu's Art of War [1] (Berlin)
harbor [2] (Niagra Falls and Bonn)
Heroic Epic [1] (Leipzig)
courthouse [5] (Hamburg, Munich, Heidelburg, Hannover and Salamanca)
rPike [2] (Grand River and St. Regis)
market [4] (Konigsberg, Frankfurt, Nuremburg and Cologne)
rMusket [1] (Allegheny)
aqueduct [2] (Bremen and Stuttgart)
worker [1] (Centralia)
rSpear [1] (Akwesasne)
Military
Compared to the Republican Vikings we are strong.
Compared to the Republican Mongols we are strong.
Compared to the Republican Arabs we are strong.
Compared to the Republican Egypt we are strong.
Compared to the Republican Americans we are strong.
Compared to the Republican Babylonians we are strong.
Luxuries
02 Wine is connected to Berlin.
01 Incense is connected to Berlin (Scandanavia)
01 Spices are connected to Berlin.
04 Ivory are connected to Berlin.
Resources
02 Iron are connnected to Berlin.
01 Saltpeter is connnected to Berlin.
All cities are connected to Berlin, except Akwesasne and Centralia.
International Relations
We are at peace with the Mongols.
We are at peace with Babylon.
We are at peace with Egypt.
We are at peace with Arabia.
We are at peace with America.
Wonder Races
Next City Builds
These will generally focus on infrastructure.
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0 (Preflight) 0450 AD
Allegheny rMusket -> worker (slave) in 10.
St. Regis rPike -> worker (slave) in 9.
Grand River rPike -> worker (slave) in 7.
Akwesasne rSpear -> worker in 10
Forgot that the game was saved in mid-turn.
Move units into cities with resisters to make them peaceful.
send workers to connect Akwesanse.
Start a chop near Cologne.
We build an embassy with Arabia for 84 of 485 gold. This allows us to spy on their progress on Sun Tzu.
Mecca 450 AD
Mecca is size 12, has 4 Pikes (1v, 3r), nets 10 spt and needs 23 turns to complete Sun Tzu's, just like we do.
Berlin swaps a tile with Nuremburg and completes Sun Tzu's in 22, not 23, turns.
I consider rushing the HE with our MGL, Richtofen, but then Leipzig needs a build. Knights Templar looks good, but it is cheap (300 gold) and has 5 Civs chasing it right now. I don't know if we could build it or not. We need three standing Armies to build the Pentagon, which lets us have larger armies. So Richtofen will probably become an Army, but most likely an empty Army. He moves to Hannover, heading for Berlin.
Frankfurt market -> trebuchet in 3.
Resistance in St. Regis and Allegheny ends.
Centralia has culture expansion; we own more jungle.
We add onto our palace; we put a dome on the center building.
1 0460 AD
Even with the resistance over, St. Regis is still corrupt, bringing in 4 shields but netting only one. Science Farm once the worker is done.
Allegheny is better. It brings in 5 shields and nets 3; not bad at size 2. Courthouse after the worker.
Time to prune some (only some) of our military.
Wake vSpear and move 1NE into Stuttgart, disband towards the aqueduct; adds 5 shields, aqueduct in 6, not 7.
Maces upgrade to Guerilla. I'm not a big fan of Guerillas but maybe I just need to know how to use them. Normally I just ignore them.
I'll send our fighting units towards Cologne. Our next offensive, planned offensive, that is, will either be W or NW of Cologne, so it is a good stopping/gathering point for right now.
I send workers to mine the mountains. Just to get that chore done and out of the way.
Need two forests planted near Berlin to help with Sun Tzu. Berlin is +4 food and cannot grow any larger. We have two tiles producing one shield each; forest would increase overall production from 22 to 23 spt.
Richtofen arrives in Leipzig and builds an Army, Richtofen I. It will be empty for a while.
Embassy Costs
America 83 gold
Babylon 92
Egypt 85
Mongolia 53
We have the gold and we're at peace. Let's be snoopy.
Babylon 460 AD
Size 8; 6 Pikes, 1 Bowman (their UU) and 1 settler; 11 shields per turn; Knights Templar in 20 turns.
Thebes 460 AD
Size 9, 2 Spears; 12 spt; barracks in 1.
Washington 460 AD
Size 9; 3 Spears; 8 spt; worker in 1.
Karakorum 460 AD
Size 7; 1 Spear, 2 Pikes; 6 spt; Sun Tzu in 58 turns.
We are down to 111 gold, +28 gpt.
No wars on the overseas. And no one over there knows the Mongols or Vikings.
[IBT]
Forset chops to Cologne.
Culture expansion at Grand River from Temple of Artemis.
Nuremburg market -> vGalley in 6.
2 0470 AD
Two slaves begin road to connect Akwesasne, finish in 3.
Three workers road the mountain betweeen Hamburg and Frankfurt.
Forest cleared so the four slaves start a mine, finish in 3.
Two stacks of three workers apiece start a mountain road on the two mountains near Heidelburg.
The mountain workers were origianlly 4 worker stacks. The extra worker(s) heads to Berlin to plant trees.
Grand River, at size 2, is only 50% corrupt. Courthouse next, after worker/slave.
Fire the geeks in Nuremburg, grows in 3.
Clown in Akwesanse becomes a geek.
Cologne works mined grass instead of forest; aqueduct in 6 not 5, but commerce goes from 14 to 17.
[IBT]
Arabs are building Copernicus' Observatory (Astronomy).
3 0480 AD
We have 12 catapults to upgrade to Trebuchets; takes 360 gold and we have only 169.
Putting all Elites into a mixed stack near Cologne.
[IBT]
Statue of Zeus produces an Ancient Cavlary.
Hamburg courthouse -> vMusket in 6.
Konigsberg market -> harbor in 3.
Frankfurt trebuchet -> trebuchet in 3.
Allegheny worker(slave) -> courthouse in 80.
Munich courthouse -> market in 8.
St. Regis has culture expansion.
Egypt is building Sun Tzu's Art of War (Feudalism)
4 0490 AD
Begin a forest S-SE of Berlin, finish in 3 turns. This tile is not currently being worked by any city.
Begin a forest N of Berlin, finish in 3 turns. This tile, a mined BG, is being worked by Berlin.
Sending spare slaves towards Centralia to clear jungle. That takes 48 turns for one slave.
New vAC in Berlin moves to Leipzig, to join the other AC.
Just to state the obvious, our Pikes can upgrade to Muskets, which can upgrade to Riflemen, which can upgrade to Infantry.
Longbows and Maces upgrade to Guerilla.
Swords upgrade to Maces.
[IBT]
Grand River worker(slave) -> courthouse in 80.
Culture expansion at Allegheny and Akwesasne. We now own all the marsh around Allegheny.
America is building Sistine Chapel (Theology).
5 0500 AD
Begin a mine SE of Hannover, 6 turns.
Mine completed 2SW of Cologne, begin road, finish in 2.
Three workers climb Mt. Leipzig.
Mountain roads near Heidleburg are complete; those workers move towards Berlin to help plant trees.
Awkesasne is connected on one side (East); add a road to the North, towards Allegheny.
Centralia worker -> rSpear, for one turn.
We can sell Gunpowder to Arabia for Chivalry, 51 gpt and 141 of 141 gold. Should we? Don't know. Save game to ponder.
Check further. Arabs are paying us a net of 53 gpt for another 5 turns. I'll check back then and see if we can get more gpt.
[IBT]
6 0510 AD
We begin to road Mt. Leipzig, finish in 3.
Begin a forest 2NW of Berlin, currently a mined grassland. Three workers start this turn and three more will join next turn.
Begin a road between Akwesasne and Allegheny. 3 turns.
This turn Arabs will give Chivlary 41 gpt and 61 of 61 gold. Arabs must be researching Gunpowder.
We learn Chemistry in 2.
Frankfurt rLongbow -> Trebuchet in 1.
Centralia rSpear -> worker in 1 (Centralia will grow to size 2 on the IBT)
[IBT]
Two forests complete.
Egypt wants to talk. Cleopatra offers Chivalry for Gunpowder. Not quite good enough.
Konigsberg harbor -> trebuchet in 3.
Frankfurt trebuchet -> trebuchet in 3.
Heidelburg courthouse -> vMusket in 6.
Cologne market -> courthouse in 7.
Hannover courthouse -> market in 10.
Centralia worker -> library in 40.
Stuttgart gets culture expansion.
Akwesanse worker(slave) -> library in 20.
Palace Expansion; we plant some bushes.
7 0520 AD
Chemistry in 1; smart slider down to 50%; +57 gpt.
Add more workers to the forest plant 2NW of Berlin; it will complete this IBT.
Galleys upgrade to Caravels, then Galleons and then Transports.
[IBT]
We learn Chemistry, begin to learn Printing Press in 6.
Heroic News
Leipzig Heroic Epic -> Leonardo's Workshop in 34.
Nuremburg vGalley -> vGalley in 6.
Stuttgart aqueduct -> market in 13.
8 0530 AD
In Konigsberg, make two fishermen out of farmers; we net 10 spt; we increase 3 beakers per turn.
[IBT]
Goody, Goody
Egypt DoW Babylon.
Statue of Zeus gives us our 3rd vAC.
St. Regis worker -> trebuchet in 30.
9 0540 AD
Two slaves begin to clear the roaded marsh SW of Allegheny, finish in 16.
Our deal with Arabia ends this IBT. We'll see if I was wise when I didn't sell Gunpowder earlier.
[IBT]
Hamburg vMusket -> vMusket in 6.
Konigsberg trebuchet -> vMace in 4.
Frankfurt trebuchet -> trebuchet in 3.
10 0550 AD
Arabs learned Gunpowder on the IBT.
We can sell Chemistry to Arabs for Chivalry, 110 gpt and 23 of 28 gold. That needs some discussion.
We don't want Education, that kills Temple of Artemis.
[IBT]
20% tax
60% science
20% luxury
Chemistry in 9 turns.
City Builds (Italics = max city size)
- Berlin (12) Sun Tzu's Art of War in 23, grows in 9999.
- Niagra Falls (1) harbor in 25, grows in 2.
- Leipzig (11) Heroic Epic in 8, grows in 3.
- Hamburg (7) courthouse in 4, grows in 2.
- Grand River (2) rPike in 27, zero growth, one geek.
- Konigsberg (7) market in 5, grows in 1.
- Frankfurt (7) market in 1, grows in 6.
- Allegheny (2) rMusket in 60, grows in 10, 2 resisters.
- Munich (8) courthouse in 4, grows in 7.
- Heidelburg (9) courthouse in 8, grows in 8.
- Nuremberg (10) market in 2, grows in 6, one geek.
- Cologne (9) market in 8, grows in 18, one geek.
- Hannover (6) courthouse in 8, grows in 5.
- St. Regis (2) rPike in 29, grows in 19, one resister.
- Bremen (6) aqueduct in 17, grows in 9999.
- Centralia (1) worker in 6, grows in 7.
- Stuttgart (6) aqueduct in 8, grows in 5.
- Akwesasne (2) rSpear in 20, zero growth.
- Bonn (1) harbor in 25, grows in 5.
- Salamanca (1) courthouse in 68, grows in 7.
City Production
Sun Tzu's Art of War [1] (Berlin)
harbor [2] (Niagra Falls and Bonn)
Heroic Epic [1] (Leipzig)
courthouse [5] (Hamburg, Munich, Heidelburg, Hannover and Salamanca)
rPike [2] (Grand River and St. Regis)
market [4] (Konigsberg, Frankfurt, Nuremburg and Cologne)
rMusket [1] (Allegheny)
aqueduct [2] (Bremen and Stuttgart)
worker [1] (Centralia)
rSpear [1] (Akwesasne)
Military
- 01 Settler
- 16 Workers
- 23 Slaves
- 02 Archer
- 01 Spears
- 06 Swords
- 08 Pikes
- 10 Catapult
- 01 Army
- 20 Maces
- 02 Trebuchets
- 01 Ancient Cavalry]
- 01 Military Great Leader: Richtofen
- 38 Allowed units
- 69 Current units
- 62 gpt unit support
Compared to the Republican Vikings we are strong.
Compared to the Republican Mongols we are strong.
Compared to the Republican Arabs we are strong.
Compared to the Republican Egypt we are strong.
Compared to the Republican Americans we are strong.
Compared to the Republican Babylonians we are strong.
Luxuries
02 Wine is connected to Berlin.
01 Incense is connected to Berlin (Scandanavia)
01 Spices are connected to Berlin.
04 Ivory are connected to Berlin.
Resources
02 Iron are connnected to Berlin.
01 Saltpeter is connnected to Berlin.
All cities are connected to Berlin, except Akwesasne and Centralia.
International Relations
We are at peace with the Mongols.
We are at peace with Babylon.
We are at peace with Egypt.
We are at peace with Arabia.
We are at peace with America.
Wonder Races
- Sun Tzu's Art of War
- Berlin (12) (Germany)
- Trondheim (4) (Vikings)
- Karakorum (7) (Mongols)
- Philadelphia (4) (America)
- Mecca (?) (Arabs)
- Sistine Chapel
- Lisht (?) (Egypt)
- Medina (?) (Arabs)
- Knights Templar
- Erdenet (3) (Mongols)
- New York (?) (America)
- Buto (Egypt)
- Narjan (?) (Arabs)
- Babylon (?) (Babylon)
Next City Builds
These will generally focus on infrastructure.
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0 (Preflight) 0450 AD
Allegheny rMusket -> worker (slave) in 10.
St. Regis rPike -> worker (slave) in 9.
Grand River rPike -> worker (slave) in 7.
Akwesasne rSpear -> worker in 10
Forgot that the game was saved in mid-turn.
Move units into cities with resisters to make them peaceful.
send workers to connect Akwesanse.
Start a chop near Cologne.
We build an embassy with Arabia for 84 of 485 gold. This allows us to spy on their progress on Sun Tzu.
Mecca 450 AD
Spoiler :
Mecca is size 12, has 4 Pikes (1v, 3r), nets 10 spt and needs 23 turns to complete Sun Tzu's, just like we do.
Berlin swaps a tile with Nuremburg and completes Sun Tzu's in 22, not 23, turns.
I consider rushing the HE with our MGL, Richtofen, but then Leipzig needs a build. Knights Templar looks good, but it is cheap (300 gold) and has 5 Civs chasing it right now. I don't know if we could build it or not. We need three standing Armies to build the Pentagon, which lets us have larger armies. So Richtofen will probably become an Army, but most likely an empty Army. He moves to Hannover, heading for Berlin.
Resistance in St. Regis and Allegheny ends.
Centralia has culture expansion; we own more jungle.
We add onto our palace; we put a dome on the center building.
1 0460 AD
Even with the resistance over, St. Regis is still corrupt, bringing in 4 shields but netting only one. Science Farm once the worker is done.
Allegheny is better. It brings in 5 shields and nets 3; not bad at size 2. Courthouse after the worker.
Time to prune some (only some) of our military.
Wake vSpear and move 1NE into Stuttgart, disband towards the aqueduct; adds 5 shields, aqueduct in 6, not 7.
Maces upgrade to Guerilla. I'm not a big fan of Guerillas but maybe I just need to know how to use them. Normally I just ignore them.
I'll send our fighting units towards Cologne. Our next offensive, planned offensive, that is, will either be W or NW of Cologne, so it is a good stopping/gathering point for right now.
I send workers to mine the mountains. Just to get that chore done and out of the way.
Need two forests planted near Berlin to help with Sun Tzu. Berlin is +4 food and cannot grow any larger. We have two tiles producing one shield each; forest would increase overall production from 22 to 23 spt.
Richtofen arrives in Leipzig and builds an Army, Richtofen I. It will be empty for a while.
Embassy Costs
America 83 gold
Babylon 92
Egypt 85
Mongolia 53
We have the gold and we're at peace. Let's be snoopy.
Babylon 460 AD
Spoiler :
Size 8; 6 Pikes, 1 Bowman (their UU) and 1 settler; 11 shields per turn; Knights Templar in 20 turns.
Thebes 460 AD
Spoiler :
Size 9, 2 Spears; 12 spt; barracks in 1.
Washington 460 AD
Spoiler :
Size 9; 3 Spears; 8 spt; worker in 1.
Karakorum 460 AD
Spoiler :
Size 7; 1 Spear, 2 Pikes; 6 spt; Sun Tzu in 58 turns.
We are down to 111 gold, +28 gpt.
No wars on the overseas. And no one over there knows the Mongols or Vikings.
Forset chops to Cologne.
Culture expansion at Grand River from Temple of Artemis.
Nuremburg market -> vGalley in 6.
2 0470 AD
Two slaves begin road to connect Akwesasne, finish in 3.
Three workers road the mountain betweeen Hamburg and Frankfurt.
Forest cleared so the four slaves start a mine, finish in 3.
Two stacks of three workers apiece start a mountain road on the two mountains near Heidelburg.
The mountain workers were origianlly 4 worker stacks. The extra worker(s) heads to Berlin to plant trees.
Grand River, at size 2, is only 50% corrupt. Courthouse next, after worker/slave.
Fire the geeks in Nuremburg, grows in 3.
Clown in Akwesanse becomes a geek.
Cologne works mined grass instead of forest; aqueduct in 6 not 5, but commerce goes from 14 to 17.
Arabs are building Copernicus' Observatory (Astronomy).
3 0480 AD
We have 12 catapults to upgrade to Trebuchets; takes 360 gold and we have only 169.
Putting all Elites into a mixed stack near Cologne.
Statue of Zeus produces an Ancient Cavlary.
Hamburg courthouse -> vMusket in 6.
Konigsberg market -> harbor in 3.
Frankfurt trebuchet -> trebuchet in 3.
Allegheny worker(slave) -> courthouse in 80.
Munich courthouse -> market in 8.
St. Regis has culture expansion.
Egypt is building Sun Tzu's Art of War (Feudalism)
4 0490 AD
Begin a forest S-SE of Berlin, finish in 3 turns. This tile is not currently being worked by any city.
Begin a forest N of Berlin, finish in 3 turns. This tile, a mined BG, is being worked by Berlin.
Sending spare slaves towards Centralia to clear jungle. That takes 48 turns for one slave.
New vAC in Berlin moves to Leipzig, to join the other AC.
Just to state the obvious, our Pikes can upgrade to Muskets, which can upgrade to Riflemen, which can upgrade to Infantry.
Longbows and Maces upgrade to Guerilla.
Swords upgrade to Maces.
Grand River worker(slave) -> courthouse in 80.
Culture expansion at Allegheny and Akwesasne. We now own all the marsh around Allegheny.
America is building Sistine Chapel (Theology).
5 0500 AD
Begin a mine SE of Hannover, 6 turns.
Mine completed 2SW of Cologne, begin road, finish in 2.
Three workers climb Mt. Leipzig.
Mountain roads near Heidleburg are complete; those workers move towards Berlin to help plant trees.
Awkesasne is connected on one side (East); add a road to the North, towards Allegheny.
Centralia worker -> rSpear, for one turn.
We can sell Gunpowder to Arabia for Chivalry, 51 gpt and 141 of 141 gold. Should we? Don't know. Save game to ponder.
Check further. Arabs are paying us a net of 53 gpt for another 5 turns. I'll check back then and see if we can get more gpt.
6 0510 AD
We begin to road Mt. Leipzig, finish in 3.
Begin a forest 2NW of Berlin, currently a mined grassland. Three workers start this turn and three more will join next turn.
Begin a road between Akwesasne and Allegheny. 3 turns.
This turn Arabs will give Chivlary 41 gpt and 61 of 61 gold. Arabs must be researching Gunpowder.
We learn Chemistry in 2.
Frankfurt rLongbow -> Trebuchet in 1.
Centralia rSpear -> worker in 1 (Centralia will grow to size 2 on the IBT)
Two forests complete.
Egypt wants to talk. Cleopatra offers Chivalry for Gunpowder. Not quite good enough.
Konigsberg harbor -> trebuchet in 3.
Frankfurt trebuchet -> trebuchet in 3.
Heidelburg courthouse -> vMusket in 6.
Cologne market -> courthouse in 7.
Hannover courthouse -> market in 10.
Centralia worker -> library in 40.
Stuttgart gets culture expansion.
Akwesanse worker(slave) -> library in 20.
Palace Expansion; we plant some bushes.
7 0520 AD
Chemistry in 1; smart slider down to 50%; +57 gpt.
Add more workers to the forest plant 2NW of Berlin; it will complete this IBT.
Galleys upgrade to Caravels, then Galleons and then Transports.
We learn Chemistry, begin to learn Printing Press in 6.
Heroic News
Leipzig Heroic Epic -> Leonardo's Workshop in 34.
Nuremburg vGalley -> vGalley in 6.
Stuttgart aqueduct -> market in 13.
8 0530 AD
In Konigsberg, make two fishermen out of farmers; we net 10 spt; we increase 3 beakers per turn.
Goody, Goody
Egypt DoW Babylon.
Statue of Zeus gives us our 3rd vAC.
St. Regis worker -> trebuchet in 30.
9 0540 AD
Two slaves begin to clear the roaded marsh SW of Allegheny, finish in 16.
Our deal with Arabia ends this IBT. We'll see if I was wise when I didn't sell Gunpowder earlier.
Hamburg vMusket -> vMusket in 6.
Konigsberg trebuchet -> vMace in 4.
Frankfurt trebuchet -> trebuchet in 3.
10 0550 AD
Arabs learned Gunpowder on the IBT.
We can sell Chemistry to Arabs for Chivalry, 110 gpt and 23 of 28 gold. That needs some discussion.
We don't want Education, that kills Temple of Artemis.
CommandoBob
AbstractArt
452 Gold, -5 gpt
30% tax
50% science
20% luxury
Printing Press in 4 turns.
Workers and Slaves
We have 15 slaves and 1 worker clearing jungle SE of Centralia. They should finish this IBT. We really need only 12 slaves doing that. They can clear one jungle in 5 turns (1 to move into the jungle and 4 turns chopping). Or we could road the jungles before we cleared them. That will take 18 slave turns per jungle tile. I prefer clearing the jungles first and then roading. If we put the slaves into stacks of 6, it would take 8 turns to clear one jungle tile and then one more turn to road the underlying terrain. I like that (efficient); I don't like that (slow); Centralia is small so maybe slow is okay. Next player get to decide what to do with those slaves.
On the hills north of Hamburg are two sets of 6 workers, both sets making mines. One will finish their mine this IBT, the other one turn later. Six workers on a hill can road that hill in one turn.
South of Hamburg are 3 workers to just generally improve around Hamburg. They are on a BG.
South east of Hannover are 4 slaves making a mine on a hill. They finish this IBT.
South west of Allegheny are two slaves clearing a marsh. The third slave I had planned to join them in the fun.
South of Grand River are five slaves making a mine that completes this IBT. I had planned for them to help in marsh draining. That would be a stack of 8 marsh-drainers; 4 turns to drain one marsh.
Trading
We have a chance to sell Chemistry to Arabia for Chivalry, 110 gpt and 23 of 28 gold. I like the gold, but I don't want the Arabs too smart. I just wish they were involved in a war.
The Temple of Artemis expires when we learn Education. Berlin is the only city that has a culture expansion anytime soon. With or without ToA, it will expand in 3 turns. The next closest expansion is in 31 turns. If it's effects end, we don't lose anything important.
However, if we include Education on the Arab Chemistry deal, our gpt drops quite a bit.
We can sell Theology to Egypt for Education if we want/need to.
Egypt and Babylon are at war but not much action. Before the war they both had 15 cities; now Egypt has 16 and Babylon 14.
Once we get Printing Press (due in 4 turns) we can sell Communications between the Old World and the New World. We can get everyone's money, which right now is around 84 gold.
Our Wines/Incense trade with Vikings expires this IBT.
Wonders
Berlin is 11 turns away from Sun Tzu's Art of War. The Arabs are close behind.
Leipzig is working on Leonardo's Workshop, but if we get Sun Tzu's the Arabs might build this wonder on the cascade. We could investigate Mecca for 172 gold. But that cost hasn't changed since 460 AD, so I don't know what we might learn.
Military
I thought I would be building more improvments but we've already done most of the basic ones. Library, market, barracks and such. We need Education to build universities. So I built military units instead of cathedrals and colosseums.
The bulk of our military is SE of Cologne, segregated by unit type. All Elite units are in one stack. Our Elite* is by himself, in a single stack. Our Army is in Allegheny. Ancient Cavalry are all in Leipzig. We have one empty Army, which I had earmarked for Panzers.
We have a stack of 12 catapults SE of Hamburg. We can upgrade to trebuchets (cost 360 gold) or disband someplace.
We have two vSwords we could upgrade to Maces. We have three (I think) eSwords.
30% tax
50% science
20% luxury
Printing Press in 4 turns.
Workers and Slaves
We have 15 slaves and 1 worker clearing jungle SE of Centralia. They should finish this IBT. We really need only 12 slaves doing that. They can clear one jungle in 5 turns (1 to move into the jungle and 4 turns chopping). Or we could road the jungles before we cleared them. That will take 18 slave turns per jungle tile. I prefer clearing the jungles first and then roading. If we put the slaves into stacks of 6, it would take 8 turns to clear one jungle tile and then one more turn to road the underlying terrain. I like that (efficient); I don't like that (slow); Centralia is small so maybe slow is okay. Next player get to decide what to do with those slaves.
On the hills north of Hamburg are two sets of 6 workers, both sets making mines. One will finish their mine this IBT, the other one turn later. Six workers on a hill can road that hill in one turn.
South of Hamburg are 3 workers to just generally improve around Hamburg. They are on a BG.
South east of Hannover are 4 slaves making a mine on a hill. They finish this IBT.
South west of Allegheny are two slaves clearing a marsh. The third slave I had planned to join them in the fun.
South of Grand River are five slaves making a mine that completes this IBT. I had planned for them to help in marsh draining. That would be a stack of 8 marsh-drainers; 4 turns to drain one marsh.
Trading
We have a chance to sell Chemistry to Arabia for Chivalry, 110 gpt and 23 of 28 gold. I like the gold, but I don't want the Arabs too smart. I just wish they were involved in a war.
The Temple of Artemis expires when we learn Education. Berlin is the only city that has a culture expansion anytime soon. With or without ToA, it will expand in 3 turns. The next closest expansion is in 31 turns. If it's effects end, we don't lose anything important.
However, if we include Education on the Arab Chemistry deal, our gpt drops quite a bit.
We can sell Theology to Egypt for Education if we want/need to.
Egypt and Babylon are at war but not much action. Before the war they both had 15 cities; now Egypt has 16 and Babylon 14.
Once we get Printing Press (due in 4 turns) we can sell Communications between the Old World and the New World. We can get everyone's money, which right now is around 84 gold.
Our Wines/Incense trade with Vikings expires this IBT.
Wonders
Berlin is 11 turns away from Sun Tzu's Art of War. The Arabs are close behind.
Leipzig is working on Leonardo's Workshop, but if we get Sun Tzu's the Arabs might build this wonder on the cascade. We could investigate Mecca for 172 gold. But that cost hasn't changed since 460 AD, so I don't know what we might learn.
Military
I thought I would be building more improvments but we've already done most of the basic ones. Library, market, barracks and such. We need Education to build universities. So I built military units instead of cathedrals and colosseums.
The bulk of our military is SE of Cologne, segregated by unit type. All Elite units are in one stack. Our Elite* is by himself, in a single stack. Our Army is in Allegheny. Ancient Cavalry are all in Leipzig. We have one empty Army, which I had earmarked for Panzers.
We have a stack of 12 catapults SE of Hamburg. We can upgrade to trebuchets (cost 360 gold) or disband someplace.
We have two vSwords we could upgrade to Maces. We have three (I think) eSwords.
CommandoBob
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ThinkTank
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Looks like we are going good! 
I have one serious issue. Why should we want to trade communications with the other continent??? It's completely in our interest to be the only one knowing the other continent, it's the perfect trading position.
I have one serious issue. Why should we want to trade communications with the other continent??? It's completely in our interest to be the only one knowing the other continent, it's the perfect trading position.
TheOverseer714
Overseer
I can do this one tomorrow or Rod 01. If you can take that one, I'll get to this one sooner. It's up to you, CBob.
CommandoBob
AbstractArt
I was thinking of cash, not strategy. My bad.Looks like we are going good!
I have one serious issue. Why should we want to trade communications with the other continent??? It's completely in our interest to be the only one knowing the other continent, it's the perfect trading position.
20 cities? Maybe the variant seemed boring to everyone. In a way, you guys might have made this harder by warring so much early on. If panzers work comparably like modern armors did in my French game, I'd expect one could spawn leaders like crazy with panzers. How so? Try to stay out of wars until you have panzers... or maybe just fight one to spawn a leader and stop it as soon as possible. When you get panzers, then start the wars and the AI will probably have a bunch of obsolete spears, warriors, longbowman, medieval infantry, etc. still lying around... basically a bunch of fodder for 3 turn attack panzers to rather quickly get to elite and spawn leaders. Russia might do the same thing well enough if you have A LOT of artillery around.
