Which concepts are illegal, exactly? Or were you just planning on making broad, sweeping statements?
Censorship in civ 5
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Which concepts are illegal, exactly? Or were you just planning on making broad, sweeping statements?
Jharii
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This also has no bearing on the legality of the issue. It's ILLEGAL in Germany.
/sarcasm -on
It is illegal in India to portray the building of pastures on cattle plots.
/sarcasm -off
Seriously, people. Get a grip and choose a battle that is really worth fighting over. This is the most trivial of complaints that I have seen to date, and the arguments are becoming more shallow and ignorant, even though it has been explained to you, in this thread, repeatedly.
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This is exactly what I was about to say. Civ4 had no mod browser at all and could, by the same logic, be argued to be censoring *all* mods
I don't have a problem with Hitler being in the game, but I understand why people that feed their kids with Civilization sales would. I doubt that, if you had a time machine, you'd have to look very hard to find people that would be just as offended by many of the other leaders. The forum needs to grow up and realize that their bizarre and inflated version of free speech is a poor excuse for flushing massive game sales down the toilet.
I will admit that it's quite ludicrous that Stalin is in Civ4 but not Hitler. I suppose it's just down to the laws in various countries at the end of the day.
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Yeah, but war games in general are illegal. Take a look at Command & Conquer for Germany, for example. In Generals Zero Hour, every soldier is replaced with a cyborg, Demolition Trucks (suicide trucks) are replaced with robots, etc.
Thus, this isn't about what is illegal in Germany and what isn't, this is about money.
Thus, this isn't about what is illegal in Germany and what isn't, this is about money.
Jharii
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Exactly. I respect Firaxis for adhering to this. Download the mod manually or go play Castle Wolfenstein, which is banned in Germany by the way. Wonder why that is...
Jharii
King
Ummmmm. Your statement is fallible. They want to sell their product to Germany, so they adhere to their laws.
So it's actually about both, and there is nothing wrong with that. They didn't make Civilization to depict history, they made Civilization to make money. Isn't that what profit companies are supposed to do?
You can play the mod, it's just not advertised in the mod browser, because they don't want problems with jews/germans/whatever.
If I make a mod that allows me to rape women when I conquer a city, you can be sure that it will be removed from the mod browser, even if it's historically accurate. But if you really want to play that mod (it's not illegal or anything) you can download it from civfanatics or whatever and just play it.
How is that a problem to you really...
If I make a mod that allows me to rape women when I conquer a city, you can be sure that it will be removed from the mod browser, even if it's historically accurate. But if you really want to play that mod (it's not illegal or anything) you can download it from civfanatics or whatever and just play it.
How is that a problem to you really...
Aeon221
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Duuuuuuuuuuuuh this is about money. They're a for profit company, not an NGO. Don't like it? Feel free to start your own non-profit gaming company.
I look forward to your first game, which I'm certain will include a large breasted Hitler dancing naked with Mohammed.
I look forward to your first game, which I'm certain will include a large breasted Hitler dancing naked with Mohammed.
Jharii
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The problem with society today is that there are a large percentage of people just walking around waiting to be offended, looking for things to be offended by, or making up things to be offended with.
This topic falls squarely into the latter category. Much like people that raise a fit about "freedom of speech" on moderated message boards.
This topic falls squarely into the latter category. Much like people that raise a fit about "freedom of speech" on moderated message boards.
So is Hitler the only one being censored? Because of German law? Would they censor Saddam Heussen? I guess what I am trying to ask is; is it just a lawful thing? Or is it real censorship? Like leaders who they think are bad people are being censored?
Jharii
King
Here. Let's make it simple.
Q:
Is it Really Illegal to Display the Swastika Symbol in Germany?
A:
The answer to this question largely depends on the intended use of the swastika symbol. As a matter of public law, the post-war German law codes prohibit the display of a swastika in any form or fashion, even if used satirically or as part of an anti-Nazi political statement. This law is generally applied to the specific five-by-five grid swastika design used during the Nazi era, however. Several religious organizations have petitioned the German government for permission to display other forms of the symbol.
Historically, the swastika symbol denotes general peace and world harmony, not the violence and genocide associated with the Nazi movement. The word swastika is derived from a Sanskrit word that describes any form of good luck charm. Several other German political and social organizations had already incorporated swastikas into their banners or flags before the rise of the National Socialist or Nazi party. While Adolph Hitler was in prison for a failed coup attempt, he conceived the idea of a National Socialist Party flag bearing a large black swastika in the center.
Hitler's choice of the swastika was partially based on his strong belief in the Aryan or master race theory. The original Aryans lived in India and were considered to be among the first Caucasian or white invaders of the Eastern world. Hitler believed that the swastika would remind the blond-haired, blue-eyed Aryan descendants in Europe of their rightful place as superiors. The complete annihilation of the inferior Jewish race would guarantee purity in the future bloodlines of a world dominated by Socialist ideals.
After the fall of the Nazi regime, many Germans felt their new government should take steps to distance itself from that tragic and costly time in German history. Along with banning the publication or ownership of Hitler's autobiography Mein Kampf, the West German government made any display or use of the Nazi swastika illegal. This law continues to be tested today, with various neo-Nazi organizations routinely displaying the outlawed Nazi flag during demonstrations. Even consumer products such as t-shirts and bumper stickers can be confiscated if they contain any depiction of a swastika.
Q:
Is it Really Illegal to Display the Swastika Symbol in Germany?
A:
The answer to this question largely depends on the intended use of the swastika symbol. As a matter of public law, the post-war German law codes prohibit the display of a swastika in any form or fashion, even if used satirically or as part of an anti-Nazi political statement. This law is generally applied to the specific five-by-five grid swastika design used during the Nazi era, however. Several religious organizations have petitioned the German government for permission to display other forms of the symbol.
Historically, the swastika symbol denotes general peace and world harmony, not the violence and genocide associated with the Nazi movement. The word swastika is derived from a Sanskrit word that describes any form of good luck charm. Several other German political and social organizations had already incorporated swastikas into their banners or flags before the rise of the National Socialist or Nazi party. While Adolph Hitler was in prison for a failed coup attempt, he conceived the idea of a National Socialist Party flag bearing a large black swastika in the center.
Hitler's choice of the swastika was partially based on his strong belief in the Aryan or master race theory. The original Aryans lived in India and were considered to be among the first Caucasian or white invaders of the Eastern world. Hitler believed that the swastika would remind the blond-haired, blue-eyed Aryan descendants in Europe of their rightful place as superiors. The complete annihilation of the inferior Jewish race would guarantee purity in the future bloodlines of a world dominated by Socialist ideals.
After the fall of the Nazi regime, many Germans felt their new government should take steps to distance itself from that tragic and costly time in German history. Along with banning the publication or ownership of Hitler's autobiography Mein Kampf, the West German government made any display or use of the Nazi swastika illegal. This law continues to be tested today, with various neo-Nazi organizations routinely displaying the outlawed Nazi flag during demonstrations. Even consumer products such as t-shirts and bumper stickers can be confiscated if they contain any depiction of a swastika.
I'm not seeing the angst over this...
Whether you think Paradox produces horribly buggy spreadsheet games or the grand pinnacle of wargames -- I think everyone would agree that historical accuracy and immersion are much more a Hearts of Iron forte than Civilization.... and Paradox managed to produce 3 iterations of WW2 strategic games, at least one of which is pretty globally hailed as excellent without so much as a swastika to be found.
Whether you think Paradox produces horribly buggy spreadsheet games or the grand pinnacle of wargames -- I think everyone would agree that historical accuracy and immersion are much more a Hearts of Iron forte than Civilization.... and Paradox managed to produce 3 iterations of WW2 strategic games, at least one of which is pretty globally hailed as excellent without so much as a swastika to be found.
Jharii
King
Agreed. How else could you explain George Washington being alive from 4000BC to 2050 AD?
Aeon221
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Uh.....how is 2K/Firaxis making money off of this?
Or...are you just trying bash 2K/Firaxis over every little thing as usual....
Jharii
King
You don't see how some people are offended by Hitler?
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