I just played a quick game to see if I could get Lib from The Oracle. Settings: Quick speed Settler difficulty no barbs no tech trading (kind of pointless since no one had time to get the alphabet). small map with standard amount of opponents always peace (might also have been pointless) I kind of failed by 1 turn (had oracle at 1 turn and 1 turn left on education and philosophy done. I did waste 2 turns researching something non vital and I didn't try to get a GP to bulb something so it can be done faster. What I did do though was I had a few floodplains in both my capital and my second city(which I got the settler for on turn 1 in a hut) which where cottaged right away and I was Inca so Fin/Ind was nice. I think Ind was kind of a waste since I had more then enough time to build oracle and teching was what takes time. My challenge is for someone to be able to successfully Do the Lib from Oracle slingshot and at as high a difficulty as possible. If multiple people do it on the same difficulty then the date counts. Rules: -All speeds allowed -Standard amount of opponents -Standard map size and larger allowed -No events -No tribal huts (both to counter luck playing too large a part) -You can choose your opponents (again anti luck) -Map type Pangea -All other map settings are optional (climate, etc.) -All other options are unchecked (advanced start, rageing barbs, etc) Good luck!