Citizens Poll :Re Governor

[Rain]

Poll concerning the the cabinet poll to ratify the President's appointment of Civinator as interim governor of Ameri.

This action has been proposed by the President following a resignation of the incumbent. Personally i have no confidence in the sitting president based on his violation of the constitutional process during the recent turn chat.

This is no reflection on Civanator's qualitie as a choice of appointment.

I am posting this poll at the request of several cabinet members and not in response to the investigation #7 and i do not claim it as a defence.

Thanks for your time

 

[disorganizer]

i voted boycott because i dont believe this process as being democratic.
we should have normal election phase for the governor.

 

[eyrei]

I am not sure when or how that poll passed, but it refers directly to this situation. I agree it is not democratic. I suggest we begin nominations immediately, and start an election in 48 hours. In the meantime, I strongly urge all citizens to vote to ratify this appointment, as we have enough to worry about without being minus a governor.

 

[Immortal]

I strongly urge all citizens to boycott the poll, or vote to NOT ratify this poll as to allow for democractic election of our next governor. As eyrei stated above: I suggest we begin nominations immediately, and start an election in 48 hours.

 

[eyrei]

Originally posted by Immortal
I strongly urge all citizens to boycott the poll, or vote to NOT ratify this poll as to allow for democractic election of our next governor. As eyrei stated above: I suggest we begin nominations immediately, and start an election in 48 hours.

I really don't want to have to do the build queues for Ameri (it is a very large province) in addition to my other duties. Hopefully Skilord will make an appearance, as it is technically his job to pikc up the slack here. I don't see why Civinator cannot just run the province for a few days....

 

[Immortal]

I would support the installation of an interim governor if there is a set date to begin nominations (ie: Friday, election on Tuesday). I support your plan Eyrei.

 

[Plexus]

I support you taking over my position, Civanator, you are a great choice for the job.

 

[eyrei]

Originally posted by Immortal
I would support the installation of an interim governor if there is a set date to begin nominations (ie: Friday, election on Tuesday). I support your plan Eyrei.

I say we begin nominations immediately. I will open the thread.

 

[donsig]

The vote here is 4-1 to confirm Civanator as governor of Ameri. This is not the ideal method for replacing a governor but we have no official or constitutional guidance here. We had the same lack of guidance during the last election when everyone declined the nominations made for governor of province #6. Nominations closed with no nominee and Cyc was installed as governor. No one cared about the process then and it has set a precedent we can follow now.

I have nothing against taking nominations and hold a special election for governor of Ameri. However, we need a governor now and Civanator has been duly appointed and this appointment ratified by the citizens. As far as I'm concerned, Civanator is governor of Ameri until another is elected.

 

[Rain]

The wining vote in this poll at the moment is the citizens have no confidence in your process Donsig. This is not an election. Obviously you are working on once again ignoring the outcome of a vote that doesnt agree with you, but where is the shock in that.

 

[donsig]

Originally posted by Rain
The wining vote in this poll at the moment is the citizens have no confidence in your process Donsig. This is not an election. Obviously you are working on once again ignoring the outcome of a vote that doesnt agree with you, but where is the shock in that.

I guess the vote tally depends on how the abstain and boycott votes are counted. Either way, this is not my process Rain. There is a turn chat coming up Sunday and Ameri needs a governor. That province is the focus of our main wonder building efforts. Leaving it un-governed and without build queues is only asking for longer turn chats, more spot votes, more controversy, more boycotts and more investigations. While public investigation #6 drags on should we stop the whole demo game process or should we continue?

 

[Rain]

Its interesting that you find stopping the game is ok when it suits your convenience and not when it doesn't. Eyrie's suggestion of holding an election perhaps with an iterim appointment seemed a logical approach.

 

[eyrei]

Originally posted by Rain
Its interesting that you find stopping the game is ok when it suits your convenience and not when it doesn't. Eyrie's suggestion of holding an election perhaps with an iterim appointment seemed a logical approach.

I believe this is Donsig's intention as well. He even made a nomination.

 

[Bill_in_PDX]

Originally posted by Rain
The wining vote in this poll at the moment is the citizens have no confidence in your process Donsig. This is not an election. Obviously you are working on once again ignoring the outcome of a vote that doesnt agree with you, but where is the shock in that.

Well, I read it as 4-1 in favor of Civinator.

The other folks who wasted their votes in a protest move, or abstained are fine to do so, but the vote is yes or no.

 

[Rain]

I should preface my comments by stating that poll was not closed at the this time and the votes could vary subsequently....

I suppose one might liberally interpret his post in that way. In any case this is a citizen poll and therefore i can not support the presidential appointment. His post also fails to offer criteria for interim term; allowance for other nominees; criteria for filling the post permanently, etc.

To quote :
I have nothing against taking nominations and hold a special election for governor of Ameri. However, we need a governor now and Civanator has been duly appointed and this appointment ratified by the citizens. As far as I'm concerned, Civanator is governor of Ameri until another is elected
End of quote

I would point out that the nominee has not been ratified by citizens in this poll. Nor is there support for process of presidential appointment.

I see nothing evident but a cynical treatment of the citizens and the constitution. I acknowledge that this poll is not binding on the president, but it is evidence of his general lack of support.

 

[disorganizer]

the interpretation of this vote is up to the 2 councilmen. not the president or someone else.
so rain and shaitan decide how they interpret the result. nobody else. even not bill and donsig ;-).

 

[donsig]

Originally posted by Rain
Its interesting that you find stopping the game is ok when it suits your convenience and not when it doesn't. Eyrie's suggestion of holding an election perhaps with an iterim appointment seemed a logical approach.

Isn't that what we're doing?

And I don't want to stop the game. I was asking you if you'd rather we stop the game until PI #6 is completed. With a good chunk of our citizens refusing to discuss matters or boycotting polls is it right for the rest of us to carry on with important policy decisions?

It doesn't matter to me whether we continue or stop but if we go on then those boycotting have no grounds to complain later if policies contrary to their wishes are implemented.

 

[eyrei]

Civinator will be interim governor of Ameri until the election we are currently nominating people for is concluded. While I agree that there is not exactly support from the citizenry for this process, we all did vote to institute this process. There are enough votes for the ratification in the cabinet, so Civinator will be governor of Ameri until the emergency election is concluded. Then we can change the way we will go about this next time....

 

[Rain]

Decisions made under a boycott reflect the lack of confidence in the process/person/action being boycotted so your comment regarding acceptance is inaccurate. The basic point of a boycott is to reflect disapproval, lack of support and to block action.

 

[Rain]

The other folks who wasted their votes in a protest move, or abstained are fine to do so, but the vote is yes or no.

Protests against unacceptable actions are not a waste of time in my book and they count just as much as any other vote.

An absention indicates a person has no wish to express an opinion which is also a valid approach.