Civ 5: Civilizations/Leaders Wanted!

Austria
Leader: Franz Joseph I.
UB: State Opera (replaces Eremitage) requires Opera (not Theatre) in every city, grants +100% :c5culture: in the city
UU: Gebirgsjäger (Mountain Infantry), replaces Infantry, can enter mountain tiles
UA: "Viribus Unitis", all units get +10% :c5strength: Bonus when next to a friendly unit, +1 extra :c5happy: for every allied and friendly City State

The UB is a World Wonder replacement! :0
I don't like that idea. Think about it, the AI would be too competitive for this wonder and no one could build the Hermitage. Maybe we could just add this wonder to the game.

I love the UU idea, but maybe it could get another bonus, maybe 10% :c5strength: when next to a mountain and 20% :c5strength: on hills.

I have no complaints about the UA.
 
Im supprised I havent seen anyone bring up putting Constantine in this game. I've seen Ceasar, Augustus and Justinain in the past. Has anyone here heard any talk or rumors of Constantine being included in the future? I'd love to play the Rome Civ under his rule.

nope, i haven't heard anything. he might be a leader for an eventual byzantine civilization, but i'd expect justinian again if i had to put any money on it. there might be a request thread somewhere.
 
The UB is a World Wonder replacement! :0
I don't like that idea. Think about it, the AI would be too competitive for this wonder and no one could build the Hermitage. Maybe we could just add this wonder to the game.

I love the UU idea, but maybe it could get another bonus, maybe 10% :c5strength: when next to a mountain and 20% :c5strength: on hills.

I have no complaints about the UA.

Hermitage is a National Wonder, not World Wonder.
 
i'm not too keen on unique wonders, either. it should probably replace the opera house and give a more fitting bonus to that instead.
 
@ShahJahanII

I will try to update my post about once in a week. With next update I'll change the Finnish UU, some changes to Cherokee civ (this Civ just doesn't want evolve easily) for example. Also add the new ideas to post 3 and 5.

Sorry if my reply came out a bit bluntly. That wasn't my purpose. I truly appreciate your contributions :)
What I ment is, if you add all your ideas to one post and edit new ideas and changes for them it will be easier to read and keep track of them. Looks good now. I'm in process of trying to come up with decent concept (Leader etc.) for Phoenicia for example and will use your ideas among others for it and the other (11) your new Civ ideas.

Over at the 2KForums the idea for Phoenicia is:
UA: Mediterranean Trade. Phoenicia were the original traders of the Mediterranean. Their sailing skill is so great that there are legends about them circumnavigating Africa and discovering South and North America. One of the supposed appearances of Quetzalcoatl was a white bearded man. Once sailing is researched, coastal cities can connect trade routes without needing a harbor. Harbors generate +1 gold and have no maintenance cost. Each luxury resource within the three-tile radius and in your borders gives the capital +2 gold.
UU: Bireme. Replaces Trireme. Cost 75, not 60. Strength 9, not 6. Ranged strength 4. Range 2. 5 movement, not 4.
UB: Chamber. Replaces Monument. Cost 65, not 60. +3 culture, not 2. +2 gold. No maintenance.

I think it could need some rework. Not sure about the UA either, your idea looks good... What kind of Civ should Phoenicia be like? In my opinion it has the feel of Carthage and Sumer (of being Ancient Civ) and since we didn't use marine/trade ideas for Carthage, Phoenicia could take that place, as a "Merchant Navy" kind of Civ.
UA: Merchant Navy. In peace time, all naval units contribute +0.5 happiness. In wartime, all naval units gain +2 ranged strength]


@black213
Sorry I was in a great hurry when I posted last time and mistakenly copy/pasted your Nubia/Mint idea within other quotes. Looks good. Have to think about Nubia a bit. Will add your idea in post 5 within next update (hopefully later this week) :)


@Artingel78
Good ideas :) Especially like Poland-Lithuania concept, but would change the UU since Hussar (Lancer replacement) idea is already used in Austria-Hungary concept. What would you suggest for another P-L unique unit? How about Ulan Cavalry (Cavalry replacement) ?


@seasnake
Good idea on how to improve Empire Mandala UA. Will look into it within next update :)


@SaiH
Very good suggestions. There has been a lot criticism of adding Austria-Hungary civ to the game. I have to say I like it and it is one of my favourite new Civ concepts with it's National Wonder UA and Maria Theresa as a leader. Whom I would very much like to see in the game as there's only very few female leaders, especially older ones and likes of her. I see Austria-Hungary to represent more than just being the "50 Year Empire". Standing more about Habsburg Monarcy , House of Habsburg and reminiscent of Holy Roman Empire.

I will add your Austria and Hungary ideas to post 5 within next update :)


I'm surprised I haven't seen anyone bring up putting Constantine in this game. I've seen Ceasar, Augustus and Justinain in the past. Has anyone here heard any talk or rumors of Constantine being included in the future? I'd love to play the Rome Civ under his rule.

No news about adding more leaders for existing Civs. I think the current model, 1 Leader per Civ, is the best. This way the main focus will remain in adding more new exciting Civilizations. Constantine would be interesting leader though and I have always been keen to see Caligula in the game too. Nero would be another interesting choice too, there is just too many good leader choices for Rome. :king:

nope, i haven't heard anything. he might be a leader for an eventual byzantine civilization, but i'd expect justinian again if i had to put any money on it. there might be a request thread somewhere.

I truly hope they'll go for Theodora. She is wife of Justinian I and there has been discussion of her being the "brains" one who actually made all the important tactical decisions.
Theodora (thēudôr'u) [key], d. 548, Byzantine empress. Information about her early career comes from the often-questionable source, the Secret History of Procopius. It appears that she was the daughter of an animal trainer in the circus, and that she was an actress and prostitute before her marriage (523) to Justinian I, who, on his accession in 527, made her joint ruler of the empire. A stronger person than her husband, she helped save the throne through her energetic action in the Nika riot (532; see Blues and Greens). In her youth Theodora came under the influence of the Monophysite sect; Justinian's efforts to reconcile the Monophysites to orthodoxy were probably inspired by her. She is represented in the mosaics of the church of San Vitale, in Ravenna.
She was the Byzantine leader in Civilization III.
 
@ShahJahanII
Sorry if my reply came out a bit bluntly. That wasn't my purpose. I truly appreciate your contributions :)
What I ment is, if you add all your ideas to one post and edit new ideas and changes for them it will be easier to read and keep track of them. Looks good now. I'm in process of trying to come up with decent concept (Leader etc.) for Phoenicia for example and will use your ideas among others for it and the other (11) your new Civ ideas.

Over at the 2KForums the idea for Phoenicia is:


I think it could need some rework. Not sure about the UA either, your idea looks good... What kind of Civ should Phoenicia be like? In my opinion it has the feel of Carthage and Sumer (of being Ancient Civ) and since we didn't use marine/trade ideas for Carthage, Phoenicia could take that place, as a "Merchant Navy" kind of Civ.
Civilization III.

No hard feelings :goodjob:
I think Phoenicia should be a maritime civilization as well.
Not only were they the original Mediterranean traders, they founded Carthage and may have circumnavigated Africa.
I think giving them a :c5science: and :c5happy: would really make things interesting.
I hope people get the concept here, meeting a new civilization will share technologies and spark a :c5goldenage: of trade.
 
I think Phoenicia should be a maritime civilization as well. Not only were they the original Mediterranean traders, they founded Carthage and may have circumnavigated Africa.

Dido was the founder and first Queen of Carthage. :)
 
America
Washington has been in three games if you count colonization. Lincoln has been in five. Maybe they shouldn’t bring Lincoln back, but I would like to see him brought back to life with a high pitched voice and Kentuckian accent. FDR to me is quite controversial (did he knew about Pearl harbor?, trying to put his judges on the supreme court, Japanese internment camps), Thomas Jefferson is fine (I don’t care about what he did with Sally Hemings, many plantation owners did the same), Teddy Roosevelt would be fun, Wilson is ok. But no Andrew Jackson, that dude is definitely a war mongerer and would attack the Iroquois.

G. Washington (3)
Abraham Lincoln (5)
F. D. Roosevelt (1)
John Adams (1, colonization)
Eleanor Roosevelt (1) –WTH, I know she did a lot of great things, but she’s not qualified for leading US in civ, no woman is, at least not yet. A lot of sexism here, lol.

Arabia
Maybe they can bring Harun back since it’ll only be his second appearance. Having Saladin will prolly upset some people since he’s a Kurd and ruled Egypt. Civ3 had Abu Bakr as leader but he is too tied to the prophet Muhammad and therefore controversial. Another possible ruler could be Abd ar Malik or maybe even Abd ar Rahman (though he ruled in Moorish Iberia).

Abu Bakr (1)
Saladin (2)
Harun Al-Rashid (1)

Aztec
Montezuma II has been in five games. They should prolly use Montezuma I again, but not make him seem too insane. Cuauhtemoc or Ahuitzotl would be interesting. In my opinion, the Maya should be placed before the Aztecs, but that’s my opinion.

Montezuma II (6, with Colonization)
Montezuma 1 (1)
Nazca (1) made up, taken from Nazca culture in Peru, seriously, even La Malinche works better

Babylon
Hammurabi is in four games, so maybe they should keep Nebuchadnezzar. Or they could replace Babylon with Assyria. Ashurbanipal would be a good choice for leader.

Hammurabi (4)
Nebuchadnezzar II (1)
Ishtar (1) A goddess. There were queens and princesses they could have chosen from. Overall, Mesopotamia is lacking in female leadership.

China
Maybe they can bring Wu Zetian back, but make her more elegant in speech and with the headdress I’ve seen Wu depicted with. Besides, she was in her sixties when she attained power. Male rulers include Han Wudi, Taizong of Tang, and Kangxi. These are all good choices.

Mao Zedong (5)- I hate the sight of him, and he would be speaking Hunanese, not Mandarin
Wu Zetian (2, was in second game as Wu Zhao)
Qin Shi Huang (1)-vain man who tried to become immortal, had first son commit suicide, second son is weak and stupid

Denmark/Vikings
Still wish Cnut was in the game. They just chose Harald Bluetooth because he’s not Christian, at first. So what, do they always have to have winged helmets and longboats? That period was insignificant compared to the one after. They can also replace Denmark with Norway or Sweden (possible leaders: Gustavus Adolphus, Karl, Christina) though they prolly still want to cash in on the Viking gimmick.

Canute/Cnut (1, was in second game)
Ragnar (2) very little is known of this guy; kinda of stupid ingame (rubs his nose)
Harald Bluetooth (1) his descendents are better choices, in-game seems rather psycho
Gunnhild (1) another legendary woman?, even Queen Christina would be a better choice

Egypt
Ramesses II has been in four games so far. Cleopatra in two. Hatshepsut in one. If they really want to have female rulers, put in Hatshepsut and not Cleopatra (who would prolly speak Greek ingame). I don’t want Hatshepsut to look like Nefertiti again. She needs a false beard and nemes headcloth. Notable male rulers include Amenhotep III, Thutmoses III or Akhenaten. No Afrocentrism please. Should of just put Nubia in the game.

Ramesses II (4) I would like to see his red hair portrayed in game
Cleopatra (2) what good did this woman do, she was the last Ptolemaic ruler.
Hatshepsut (1) better than Cleopatra

England
Elizabeth has been in six games mainly because she’s a female. No offense to women. They could add other civs with women leaders, even if they are considered “minor” civs (for example Georgia, Sri Lanka, Sweden etc). I’m tired of seeing her in every game. There are other rulers who merit an appearance like Alfred the Great (him speaking Old English would be awesome), William the Conqueror, Edward Longshanks (who would have a fierce temper), Edward III, and perhaps Queen Victoria.

Elizabeth (6) in 5, she gets jealous easily, dammit, I hate her!!!
Victoria (1) more of a figurehead
Winston Churchill (1) Clement Attlee would be good too
Henry VIII (1) no, just no.
George II (Colonization) don’t know much about him

France
Napoleon has enough screen time (five games). Louis XIV would be a good replacement since he had ambitions as well. If you want to go further back in time, there’s Philip Augustus.

Napoleon (5) I mean, he’s famous and did major things. But, too overused. Give other rulers a chance.
Louis XIV (3, if count colonization)
Joan of Arc (2) not really suited, a peasant girl in her late teens
Samuel de Champlain (colonization)
Frontenac (colonization)

Germany
No more Bismarck. He’s in four games. I would prefer they use Frederick the Great or maybe even an earlier king like Frederick II or Otto or even Charlemagne. A female option could be Maria Theresa, though people would prolly complain.

Otto von Bismarck (3) good choice, but I would like a break from him, his ability is more suited for some early Germanic ruler like Theodoric or Arminius
Frederick the Great (2) good choice, interesting figure
Frederick Barbarossa (1, in second game) also a good choice
Maria Theresa (1) wouldn’t mind her in the game, though ppl might be pissed to have her leading Germany.

Greeks
No more Alexander, please. If you do bring him back, give him blond hair, heterochromia, a strange neck disfigurement and a much rougher voice. He has already appeared in six games. He’s been portrayed to death.
Instead of Alex, you can use Pericles, or Themistocles. But no Leonidas, because he’s insignificant and only known because of that movie. Hellenic League actually suits Pericles.

Alexander (6)
Pericles (1) good choice
Hippolyta (1) mythic figure, there are real Greek women, like Olympias

Inca
No Inca emperor could really match Pachacuti. Huayna Capac is partly responsible for the fall of the empire with his two sons fighting over the throne.

Pachacuti (2)
Huayna Capac (1)

India
Gandhi, Gandhi, Gandhi, Gandhi, Gandhi, Gandhi! That’s the amount of times this guy’s been in a game. It seems like Firaxis can’t get enough of him. But there’s more to India than just Mohandas. Ashoka, Chandragupta Maurya, Chandragupta II, Akbar among others. They ruled in India’s glorious periods. Just having Gandhi make it seem like India is only a modern nation when it’s actually not. Maybe, they could just keep Mahatma in a cameo appearance. Anyone else sick of Gandhi and his love for nukes?

Gandhi (6)
Ashoka (1) good choice
Indira Gandhi (1) well, she’s real but controversial. Razia Sultana, perhaps?

Iroquois
I know some people are biased against having North American tribes in the game. But why not? Do they need to have invented writing? Or created colossal statues? Or discovered iron? Or creating a gigantic empire stretching from the Atlantic to Pacific? (That would destroy the language diversity which I find fascinating) They lacked many domesticated animals, and people in the Old World had a headstart and more interaction with other peoples. At least the Iroquois adapted to the change the Europeans brought. Hiawatha has been in two games. I would suggest a more historical leader like Joseph Brant or Cornplanter. Of course, the Iroquois could be replaced by the Sioux (with Red Cloud as leader and no totem poles) or some other tribe. But I do think they deserve to be in. Other tribes too. Having leaders like Osceola, Geronimo or Tecumseh would be interesting.

Hiawatha (2) famed name, but highly mythical
Logan-was a Mingo leader, kind of related but there are better leaders to choose

Japan
Nobunaga possibly or even Hideyoshi. Tokugawa Ieyasu has been in four games already. Meiji emperor seems to be off limits. There were female empresses who ruled in their own right, but I ‘m not sure if they are off limits too.

Tokugawa (4) His head was really thin in CivRev. The f was up with that.
Nobunaga (1)
Amaterasu (1) there are real historical empress regnants like Koken.

Mongolia
Genghis has been in six games. Perhaps Kublai Khan should replace him. Genghis did a lot of stupid stuff like raze cities to the ground and massacred populations. How the hell would you rule if there’s no infrastructure? No wonder Central Asia is so messed up now with all those dictators. Hulagu Khan might work, but he might not speak Mongol. If Genghis is back again, I hope they choose a better voice actor for him because he sounds so unintimidating in the current game.

Genghis Khan (6) very unimpressive in fifth game, almost a racist caricature in third
Kublai Khan (1) good choice
Bortei (1) Genghis’s wife, there were other influential Mongol women as well, just not as Khans

Ottomans
Suleiman would prolly be the best choice. No other Ottoman ruler can match him. If they want a different ruler, then maybe Mehmed could work. Just don’t make Suleiman sound so comical. An influential woman was Roxelana, though only as wife of Suleiman.

Osman (1) meh
Mehmed (1) notable leader
Suleiman (2)

Persia
Darius has been in two games. Certainly, we could bring him or Cyrus back. Yet, there are other great periods of Persia history overlooked. Achaemenid Persia isn’t the only golden age for Iran. There’s Sassanid Persia, with Shapur I, Shapur II or Khosrau as good possible rulers. Or even Safavid Persia, with Shah Abbas as ruler. My point is that Persia should not always be associated with the Achaemenids, who I think are favored simply because they were conquered by Alex. I also think they should not make Darius or Cyrus speak Aramaic.

Xerxes (2) failure, beginning of empire’s decline
Darius (2)
Cyrus (1) good choice
Scheherezade (1) fictional, there were influential women in ancient Persia

Polynesia
Kamehameha can be brought back, though possibly the name could be changed to Hawaii. Liliuokalani could be a female choice but she lost the kingdom to Dole and his pineapples. Other Polynesian kingdoms should be considered. Hongi Hika could be a Maori leader.

Kamehameha (1)

Rome
No more Julius Caesar or Augustus for that matter. Julius has been in five games, while Augustus in two. There were many other great Roman emperors—Trajan, Hadrian, Diocletian, Constantine (who’s quite a bloodthirsty type, he had his son and wife killed). We don’t need to keep representing one Roman family. If they do bring Augustus back, give him light hair and a unibrow (lol, its true though)

Julius Caesar (5) took many appearances, got himself killed
Augustus (2)
Livia (1) important woman, but there was never any Roman empress Regnant (ahh, Italian society, still the same today…)

Russia
So far, Catherine the Great has been in five games. That’s enough. We shouldn’t keep her in just because she’s a woman and fanservice. Russia has plenty of capable rulers, like Ivan III or Peter the Great or Yaroslavl the Wise. But no Stalin, of course.

Catherine the Great (5) but she’s hot!!! (sarcasm), maybe should have a German accent when speaking Russian
Stalin (2) argg
Peter the Great (1) good choice, but had his son tortured to death, similar to Ivan IV who killed his son
Vladimir Lenin (1) meh, he started it all

Siam
They could be replaced with another Southeast Asian kingdom like Khmers, Burmese, Majapahit or Vietnamese. I wish there were at least two of these civs in the game. They all have different languages and traditions. The difference between Thailand and Cambodia is like between France and Germany. Only reason against them is they did not colonized the whole world. That would be funny. That said, I would like Ramkhamhaeng to be replace by someone like Naresuan, King Narai or Taksin if the Siamese are kept. The stele of Ramkhamhaeng may not be totally true. Current Thai dynasty is off limits of course.

Ramkhamhaeng (1)

Songhai
Maybe you can bring Askia back, or possibly replace him with Sunni Ali, who’s more of a conquering type anyways. Or, you can replace the Songhai with Mali and have Mansa Musa again.

Askia (1) no more fiery backgrounds which implies a warmonger

Spain
Isabella has been in five games already and because she is a woman. A good male ruler can be Philip II. If Isabella is back, be sure to give her reddish blonde hair. Also, don’t hire the same voice actress, she sounds a bit too young.

Isabella (5) man, this woman dominates! Plain in real life, though I guess Isabella II looks worser
Philip II (1) good choice
Carlos V (in Colonization) also was a Holy Roman emperor
 
Others Civs not in Civ5 yet
Zulus
Sure, many have argued against their inclusion. They say they’re an insignificant tribe. What else to represent Southern Africa with? Mutapa/Zimbabwe. Their leaders are not widely known. Kongo, perhaps. I would like to see Nzinga as a ruler (though she ruled Ndongo). Or Kimpa Vita, despite being like Joan of Arc, a religious leader. Shaka is definitely the leader, though Mzilikazi can be considered despite being not Zulu (he was leader of a related tribe)
Shaka (5)
Shakala (1) lol!!!!! They couldn’t think of anything could they. How about Nandi, Shaka’s mom?

Carthaginians
A good addition to the game. Who knows what would have happened if they survived the wars with the Romans, though they prolly would have fallen to the Muslims. Hannibal is a general , but his country was governed by a senate, so…
Hannibal (3)
Dido (1) If she existed, much of her life is shrouded in myth. But I wouldn’t mind seeing her.

Celts
A bunch of disparate tribes mainly taken down by the Romans and whose legacy lives on only in Ireland, Wales, Scotland, and Brittany. Important, nonetheless. Boudica in 5 would be awesome, but not like her tavern wench 4 version. She needs to be regal and majestic. (Long, flowing reddish hair, a cape, colorful dress, wielding a spear, on a chariot). Vercingetorix is fine too. Robert the Bruce is good, but perhaps too late. No William Wallace. He’s famous due to Mel, but that movie was inaccurate as hell.
Cunobelin (1) Briton king, hmm, maybe
Boudica (2) I would prefer if she spoke Welsh instead of Irish Gaelic.
Brennus (2) not much know and name is likely a title

Sioux
A worthy addition. Being nomadic people does not mean they’re not a civilization. They were originally farmers until the introduction of the horse. They found it much better to hunt buffalo. They also adapted European tech. I prefer Red Cloud as a leader. Possibly Crazy Horse.
Sitting Bull (3, with Colonization) He’s more of a spiritual leader.
Sacajawea (1) Not even Sioux, born a Shoshone.

Korea
Worthy enough of a civ. Sure, non-East Asians can tell Japanese, Korean and Chinese culture apart, but can non-Europeans tell French, German and English cultures apart? I want Sejong as a leader. Possibly Gwanggaeto the Great. Wang Kon was a founder of a dynasty, but not necessarily noteworthy.
Wang Kon (2)

Byzantium
Different enough from the Roman Empire. Justinian is a great choice (he’ll speak Latin), Theodora, while influential (and presumably attractive) is just his empress. Perhaps an empress who ruled alone would be good if they want females like Zoe or Irene.
Theodora (1)
Justinian (1)

Hittites
There seems to be enough Middle Eastern civs. Firaxis also didn’t include them in 4. Their language is prolly hard to do. We have enough texts, but may cost as lot to pay a scholar to create sentences. Hittite is one of the earliest recorded Indo-European languages.
Mursilis (1) Suppiluliuma would be a better choice, though his name’s hard to pronounce

Mayans
A worthy addition. I like them better than those cannibal Aztecs. They did have human sacrifices ,though not like Aztec’s scale. They also did bloodletting (ouch). But they had astronomy, architecture, arts and so on. My preferred leader is Pakal of Palenque (who should prolly speak Chol Maya, though they’ll be lazy and used Yucatec instead) or even Yohl Ik’nal, a female ruler.
Shield Jaguar (1) who’s this guy again?
Pakal (1) make this person more majestic and less wimpy, he’s needs an elongated forehead too.

Netherlands
No man is suited for this civ like Willem van Oranje, unless you want Maurice. This civ is gonna be making loads of money once in the game.
Willem van Oranje (2, not sure if king in colonization is meant to be him)
Adriaen van der Donck (1)-um, no
Stuyvesant (1)- nope

Portugal
Henry’s just a prince, though prolly the only Portuguese royal Americans have heard of. Joao II would be better. Admittedly, I’ve don’t know much about Portugal’s history, but definitely no Salazar.
Henry the Navigator (1)
Joao II (1)

Sumeria
There’s already Babylon. People only like them b/c of Gilgamesh? (he’s so mythologized, did he actually do anything, and his appearance in 4 looks like that bust of Sargon or his son) Sumerian language would be hard to implement (short sentences like Nebby) I prefer someone like Ur-Nammu or Gudea leading.
Gilgamesh (2)

Mali
Not a likely addition. Mansa Musa prolly the only prominent ruler.
Mansa Musa (1)

Ethiopia
Not so popular, but an important civ. Early Christians, had monumental architecture, their own writing system. Certainly more advanced that the Zulu or other Bantu tribes. Zara Yaqob is important but Menelik II is better. In-game, he looks like Coolio, what were they thinking? Doesn’t look Ethiopian at all.
Zara Yaqob (1)

Holy Roman
They’re a German based Civ, Their units spoke Plattdeutsch. Well, there are too English speaking factions in the game. I just wish Charlemagne would be portrayed according to written accounts and not his reliquary made centuries after his death. He was jolly and stout, big eyes and nose, wore Frankish clothing.
Charlemagne (1)

Khmer
Not likely to be in the game due to similarities with Siam, though their kingdom was older and their languages not related. I can’t understand why the two countries fight over a temple build by Khmers. Border reasons? Suryavarman is prolly the best Khmer leader.
Suryavarman (1)

Tupi
Only in colonization. I actually prefer Brazil over them. They covered a limited area and we don’t know much about their leaders.
Cunhambebe (1)

Cherokee
They’re one of the five civilized tribes who adopted European technology and values but forced to move to Oklahoma. Could combine them all and have someone like Osceola or John Ross as leader. Oconostota is kind of too early and not really prominent. People might say its too similar to Iroquois. Only the Cherokee spoke a related language to the Iroquois. Rest are Muskogean. Most of these people are descendents of the “Moundbuilders”/Mississippian . They can also be more westernized than the Iroquois. Interesting to see a native dressed in western clothes.
Oconostota (1)

Apache
They’re raiders, I get it. But put up quite a resistance to American troops. Geronimo (Goyathlay) is my choice for leader. Perhaps, the Navajo can be combined with them or instead of them, the Puebloans (not Anasazi, that’s Navajo term for “enemy ancestors) which can be led by Popay?
Mangas Coloradas (1)

Arawak/Taino
They may not have lasted long after Columbus came. But they weren’t simple “savages”. They farmed and live in settlements. They also played a ballgame similar to Mesoamerican groups. People in Caribbean today claim them as ancestors. And there’s the Garifuna who speak an Arawakan language despite being called Black Caribs. I find Anacaona to be the most interesting leader mainly because she was a woman. Sadly, she was also put to death by the Spaniards.
Agueybana (1)-important leader, male choice

Other Suggestions (prolly never happen)
Sri Lanka (interesting small country, Buddhist, could have Parakramabahu or Queen Lilavati as leader)
Tamils (if Gandhi is still in the next game, I want them to put another South Asian group, prolly Raja Raja Chola as leader)
Mughal (if Gandhi is in the game, have Akbar as leader)
Tibet (prolly piss off China, do they sell Civ5 there? Wonder what they think about Lhasa city-state, prolly conquer it every time lol, have Songtsen Gampo as leader, besides Tibet wasn’t part of China since the Xia Dynasty, only since Qing if not mistaken)
Burmese
Majapahit
Vietnam
Assyria (may be too similar to Babylon, Ashurbanipal as leader)
Israel/Judea/Hebrews (prolly controversial, especially Muslim countries. I know my parent’s home country of Malaysia doesn’t recognize Israel, prefer Solomon as leader, having a modern one would stir up more controversy)
Nubia ( I think they are different enough, unrelated language, Egypt and Nubia are like Greece and Rome except that Latin and Greek are actually related while Egyptian and Nubian are not, can have a female ruler like Amanirenas or male like Piye or Taharqa)
Morocco/Berber (may be similar to Arab but they are different, possibly Yusuf ibn Tashfin as leader)
Asante (Yaa Asantewa (woman) or Osei Tutu (man)
Yoruba or Benin (Oba Ewuare) or Hausa (Queen Amina) or Igbo (just some civ from Nigeria, they’re different from Songhai, many not Muslim save for Hausa)
Kongo (Nzinga or Kimpa Vita)
Zimbabwe/Shona (leaders not too well known, Matope?)
Swahili (very prosperous and rich trading cities, leader can be a Sultan of Kilwa whose name I forget)
Malagasy/ Madagascar (Queen Ranavalona, truly unique compared with Africa, their ancestors came from Indonesia!)
Kushan (this is stretch, not sure what language they would speak, leader: Kanishka)
Uyghur (might piss off China)
Timurid (didn’t Timur speak Turkish and ruled a large part of Persia, a lot of overlaps)
Brazil (have King Pedro)
Muisca (a stretch, language is extinct, inspired El Dorado, leader: Saguamanchica)
Mapuche (they did resist the Incas, leader: Lautaro)
Moche/Chimu (also a stretch, rival to Inca, language is extinct, I just very interested in their culture, as well as the Nazca, the Huari, and the Tiwanaku)
Puebloans (see above)
Shawnee (I like Tecumseh, might be too similar to Iroquois) or Powhatan (similar too, had Confederacy I believe)
Canada (it’s empty up there!, leader: Mackenzie King, don’t know much about Trudeau)
Australia (leader: John Curtin or Robert Menzies, another space to fill, hey their Opera House is in the game)
 
Anyone have ideas for future DLCs leaders or leaders in Civ6?
 
And the point of this long post is what? Wild speculation about the distant future?
What's with these Civ6 threads? We're barely into Civ5.
 
Others Civs not in Civ5 yet

Tamils (if Gandhi is still in the next game, I want them to put another South Asian group, prolly Raja Raja Chola as leader)

Yes!
Yes!
Please bring in the Cholas!

Chola:
Leader: Rajaraja Chola
UA: Temple builders: Build cultural buildings 50% faster. Cultural buildings are 50% cheaper.

or

UA: Unamed(something to do with islands): Cities built on islands 9 tiles or less have no :c5unhappy:

UB: Unamed: (replaces temple): 6 :c5culture: , 1 :c5culture: for every 5 :c5citizen: , 1 :c5culture: for every marble and stone

(New Dravidian Graphics)
 
I vote for just having multiple leader options for current civs... like Civ 4 had..
 
What are the numbers next to the leaders? For Civ 6. I'd vote Queen Seondok for Korea, she was an impressive ruler, and a militaristic and religious one at that (sorta like Isabella, but Buddhist rather than Christian).

Wu Zetian as an older woman would be nice, but I'd prefer Kangxi for China. When I think of Chinese rulers I think of him and Qin Shi Huangdi more often than not.

Hatshepsut for Egypt, she's not as impressive as Rameses II, and not quite representative of all Egyptian rulers, but she was a distinguished pharaoh regardless, and supported lots of Egyptian trade and exploration, which could make her AI behavior interesting.

Marcus Aurelius for Rome. A capable military leader, but philosophical too, in a way that Julius and Augustus aren't often thought of as being. Plus, he was in Gladiator. And he'd look great on a horse, just like in that famous equestrian statue of him.
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Also, historical note: Genghis did do terrible things, but his empire was a lot safer than you might think. He made the Silk Road safe to travel, which explains how an Italian monk from the Pope was able to travel through the Mongolian empire in later days safely and record one of history's most interesting documents.

Furthermore, Genghis' Yassa code ensured the Mongolians would behave respectfully in many cases: no rape or looting for some cities that surrendered, though he did utterly destroy cities that defied him and refused to surrender, and he razed some just to intimidate people. No worse than many leaders of his day, just more capable, and hence more destruction (but also more consequent peace because of fear).

Also, I think Genghis was very tolerant of religions and other cultures, such that the Mongol army had fewer Mongols in it than Turks and such later on. Several key advisors were Chinese or from other conquered peoples.

Civ has always represented him as a bloodthirsty barbarian *because it's a recognizable image* but in future hopes I hope they'll show him as a bit more 3D and not as cartoonishly aggressive as Montezuma/Alex/etc.
 
Anyone have ideas for future DLCs leaders or leaders in Civ6?

Have you seen this thread already? : http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=433030 :)


Babylon
Hammurabi is in four games, so maybe they should keep Nebuchadnezzar. Or they could replace Babylon with Assyria. Ashurbanipal would be a good choice for leader.

Hammurabi (4)
Nebuchadnezzar II (1)
Ishtar (1) A goddess. There were queens and princesses they could have chosen from. Overall, Mesopotamia is lacking in female leadership.

Egypt
Ramesses II has been in four games so far. Cleopatra in two. Hatshepsut in one. If they really want to have female rulers, put in Hatshepsut and not Cleopatra (who would prolly speak Greek ingame). I don’t want Hatshepsut to look like Nefertiti again. She needs a false beard and nemes headcloth. Notable male rulers include Amenhotep III, Thutmoses III or Akhenaten. No Afrocentrism please. Should of just put Nubia in the game.

Ramesses II (4) I would like to see his red hair portrayed in game
Cleopatra (2) what good did this woman do, she was the last Ptolemaic ruler.
Hatshepsut (1) better than Cleopatra

Sumeria
There’s already Babylon. People only like them b/c of Gilgamesh? (he’s so mythologized, did he actually do anything, and his appearance in 4 looks like that bust of Sargon or his son) Sumerian language would be hard to implement (short sentences like Nebby) I prefer someone like Ur-Nammu or Gudea leading.
Gilgamesh (2)


About "Mesopotamia is lacking in female leadership". See here.

There's Queen Athaliah for Israel, and also Queen Berenice for Egypt, Queen Shammuramat for Assyria and even Goddess Inanna for Sumeria, but she might be a bit too mythological like Gilgamesh.

Cool topic and list nevertheless. Would like to see your comments about the current DLC ideas from the topic in my signature.
 
And the point of this long post is what? Wild speculation about the distant future?
What's with these Civ6 threads? We're barely into Civ5.
I don't get it either. 2015 comes early, apparently :p
First let's get a good amount of civs/DLC in Civ 5 and then we can dream about Civ 6 (if there ever will be one).
 
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