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[CIV 5 Issues] - The complete list

Discussion in 'Civ5 - Bug Reports' started by poncratias, Sep 27, 2010.

  1. Krieger66

    Krieger66 Lord of all things necro

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    Not that I know of....unless the leader is making a demand/request of course;)

    the movies thing is under Left to Discuss #3

    a really REALLY good list:crazyeye:

    Unit Controls and Unit UI #15
    thank you for the feedback:goodjob:
     
  2. Korseau

    Korseau Chieftain

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    I thought that the dual screen issue was dealt with in the patch, I guess not so much. I still have to click and drag to move the map around, when the pointer hits the left hand boundary it just keeps on going. Any idea on how this can be rectified?
     
  3. Galatian

    Galatian Chieftain

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    Hey Guys,

    Well the main issues have been stated here en mass, so I rather go ahead and explain why I'm only barely satisfied with CiV, especially considering it is a game released in 2010:

    1. No Simultaneous Multithreading (now that almost all Intel Processor ship with HyperThreating and I believe AMD has something similar too why not use it? Especially since the recommend a quad core processor anyway)
    2. No animated tile enhancements (consider that we had those in CIV)
    3. No variance in tile improvements (Why do you have a mine on flatlands? Why not use Bucket-wheel excavators?)
    4. No option to turn Tessellation off (That costs a lot of resources and from how I understand it only DX11 cards can really use it)
    5. Cities look boring and lifeless (in CIV a city with size 15 or so would look really big on the map compared to a city with size 5 or so...in CiV they just look all the same and boring, why not see little people/cars move around?)
    6. No palace anymore (had it in Civ I - III, they obviously wanted to implement it in CIV but never finished it and now they just completely dropped it, why?)
    7. Clouds/FoW just looks boring (at least ad some weather effects)
    8. Same as above just for ocean tiles
    9. Overall graphics are not that astounding considering how much graphic power you need (granted leader graphics are nice, but since the diplomatic options are very limited, how often do you actually see them?)

    I'm sure there is more to add, but for right now those are the points that immediately jumped into my face. It's not only that the increase in power required to run this game seems to be absolutely unproportional to the results you get, but on top of that there have been features in CIV already (graphic wise) that have been removed in CiV.
     
  4. B-29 Bomber

    B-29 Bomber Chieftain

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    Since I'm about ready to go to bed I can't read all of the posts so I don't know if it was said yet but there is a problem where you can choose the production for puppet states. Sadly I can not remember the details but there is this gameplay video series that I saw it on. It was by Quill18. He was playing as babylon.
     
  5. Metal Bunny

    Metal Bunny Chieftain

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    The first post with the list had a lot of my complaints. A lot of them. I am too, just barely satisfied with the game, where I had hoped to be mildly ecstatic. So in a sense I feel a bit disappointed. It lacks many details which improve gameplay, but they are already listed.

    I didn't read the entire topic, but it wasn't in the first list, so I'll just put it here;

    Going for conquest/domination, as in CIV IV (taking everything), is excruciatingly annoying. I am such a warmonger, and with the newly added tactical dimension of no 2 units on a hex, along with usual AI stupidity, I am kicking all the other civ's butts. Sometimes even collectively. I once had a war with Ghandi who had a bunch of war elephants running around. I had lots of spearmen. Instead of bombing me, he rushes past my city and spearmen to go chase a worker. A single spearmen killed 3 war elephants this way.
    But conquering cities is ridiculously counter effective.

    The unhappiness you get, even from just puppeting, even if you take just the capitol and one other extra city for some resources, especially in the late renaissance/early industrial era, when riflemen and cannons are in play, can destroy all the fun you had. Especially on higher difficulties when you have less happiness to begin with.
    As I am playing now, I just take the cities with happiness resources, the capitol, and raze every other city

    Also, the AI does not properly prioritize defending its own capitol enough. I get that if I blitz it they could rush and conquer it back, but that's almost never the case. The AI instead has units garrisoned in border cities, never bothering to come and defend the capitol. Also, it'd be nice to have a CIV know when s/he is defeated and will actually come with a decent peace treaty proposal.

    So, in summation:
    * AI needs to learn how to bomb and protect weaker units. It treats all units with the same stupidity.
    * Either get more happiness buildings or don't let puppet cities count so much toward unhappiness. It has made me raze 85% of all the cities out there. Conquest/Domination shouldn't end with just me, with a few scattered cities and an empty map. Being an evil dictator over empty land sucks.
    * In CIV V the capitol is way, way more important than in CIV IV, but it's being defended like in CIV IV. i.e. very suckily. Combine this with the razing and you're pushing people away from the Conq/Dom route, and that's a big no no.
     
  6. Bhoy

    Bhoy Chieftain

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    I can't see this listed in the full list at the start and I can't believe I haven't seen anyone complaining about it (maybe I haven't looked hard enough) but why is there no Capitulation to become a vassal state?

    This was one of the best things about CIV4 BTS, I didn't have to conquer every city in the world to win a military victory, I just had to make them all my vassals. Now the only way to do it is to achieve massive unhappyness after you've conquered every city on a large map?
     
  7. guspasho

    guspasho Chieftain

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    Actually you don't have to do that, just take all the capitols.
     
  8. RagnarIceblood

    RagnarIceblood Chieftain

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    Dunno if this one has been posted:

    I frequently run into unemployed citizen workers, even though there are free tiles to work on.
    These tiles appear to have 0 yields! If I turn on yield view, then they will work. odd.
     
  9. shadowplay

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    What's with the barbarian destroyers? Seems a little advanced for 'barbarians'.
     
  10. Öjevind Lång

    Öjevind Lång Chieftain

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    Well, the pirates off the Horn of Africa use speedboats and machine guns, so modern technoloy wold not be completely out of place for barbarians. Any way,I think it's fun. I's not a new phenomenon either; I remember one game I played in Civ II where the barbs had tanks.
     
  11. humbe

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    Hi.. Some feedback to your thread:
    - Doesn't seem like your post is updated after the lastest patches. Hard work to recheck everything so I reckon people can add to the thread to tell what has been fixed if you read it to update. I think I read a "no unit cycling" was added in last patch.

    - Sadly there are lots of feature requests and not just issues in the list. Mixing feature requests, spur of the moment ideas, bugs and issues in the same post makes it a long post that is easy to dismiss as subjective.

    Some comments to individual requests.

    * Add an option to disable unit animations

    - I feel the problem here is that Civilization takes up way too much resources. My computer is not dated, but still, the game seems very heavy, on default/low graphic settings. What I want is to disable the unneeded parts of the game taking up the most resources. But whether this is unit animations or not I have no idea. I mostly play in the strategic view as that seems to speed things up a bit. Would be great if I could run the game on my P4 1 GB ram box too though, so I could actually LAN with friends.

    * Add an option to enable razing all cities (capitals, city states)

    - This is a pretty wild feature request. It breaks with game mechanics for liberating cities, needed to avoid diplomatic victory to be impossible due to actions out of your control.

    * No "regenerate map" menu option once the game is started.
    If you are unsatisfied with your starting location, you have to go back to the main menu where you have to completely redo all the setup settings.

    - In Civ4 this didn't work in LAN games either. I don't really care if you can regenerate map. I'd much rather have a feature where the defaults for setting up a new game is exactly the same as you set up for your last game. Then you could restart quick and easy going through the menu, and it wouldn't have multiplayer issues or the like. Seems like it might remember some options, but far from all.

    * Multi-turn moves. In former Civ games, when a unit was order for multi-turn moves, it moved during your turn, generally after you had moved the currently active units and before you hit end turn. After all, they do move during your turn. Instead, Civ V asks you to end your turn before moving those units. Its nice to be able to tell where you might need to move units that still have MPs left AFTER the units you ordered last turn(s) have moved.

    - This is very subjective suggestions for altering the game. Personally, I think a much better solution would just be to alter the button, to say "Do pre-planned moves" or something instead of "End turn". The game knows that it won't end the turn at that point anyways. Feels like there's 3 times as many turns as it is, because I press end turn lots of times where it doesn't end the turn.

    *strategic view: because the tile yeilds are much lower there is little to differentiate them, for instance only one type of hill (even desert hills are the same), floodpains and grassland the same, all forest tiles the same, food resources mostly very similar to farmed grassland, all luxury resources similar. There should be more variety. It feels like it makes little difference where I settle because all the land is the same

    - Another wild feature request. Not saying I'm against it, but feature requests shouldn't be in such a thread I feel.
     
  12. Jabba

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    City States are unbalanced.

    Maritime City States are overpowered. The food bonus is far too large.

    Military City States are underpowered. Who needs more Scouts?
     
  13. Jabba

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    No science beaker overflow.

    Cities do not optimise tile-working when you build settlers. You have to do it manually to get the minimal production time.
     
  14. elprofesor

    elprofesor Pluri-editing poster

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    I'm not sure if it has already been said, but:
    -I'd like to see air units experience, to know when will they level up.
    -Stealth bombers gain experience, even though they can't promote. Was it intended?
     
  15. Krieger66

    Krieger66 Lord of all things necro

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    Table of content:
    Spoiler :
    1. UI & Menu stuff
    1.1 Menu & Game Options
    1.2 Civilopedia & Game infos
    1.3 Strategic view
    1.4 Normal map view
    1.5 City screen
    1.6 Other overview screens
    1.7 Messages & Notifications
    1.8 Keyboard Settings & Shortcuts
    1.9 Unit controls & Unit UI
    1.10 General UI & Menu stuff
    2. AI & Unit behaviour
    3. Graphic & Artwork
    4. Gameplay & Game mechanics
    5. Multiplayer
    6. Miscellaneous
    7. left to discuss



    1. UI & Menu stuff



    1.1 Menu & Game Options

    * The legal mumbo jumbo stuff at the beginning of every launch that I have to click “Continue” to before accessing the main menu. Signing it once should be enough.

    * No automatic default savegame name when saving the game.

    * Savegames are only sorted by name, not by date.

    * Too few customizabilities.
    You are not able to create a completely own civilization , with an own choosen name and traits.

    * There should be an option to change the keyboard shortcuts.

    * Add "No Unit Cycling" option

    * Add a real time clock option.

    * Add an option to disable unit animations

    *Add an option to immeidately reenter diplomacy when a trade deal is up

    *Add an option to turn on/off notices by type.

    * Add an option for a right-click menu instead of making your units move that way

    * Add an option to enable combat zooming.

    * No button to view the civilopedia from the main menu.


    1.2 Civilopedia & Game infos

    *The Civilopedia is vague over features and bonuses that elements give.

    *It has too much fluff content and not enough game information.How fast do railroads make my units? How much do Pacts of Secrecy/Cooperation help my standing with another leader?

    * Civilopedia: brief descriptions and no links. Sometimes only text with no graphics or symbols.

    *Seems whenever I do a search for legitimate terms in civilopedia (raze, razing, cooperation, secrecy, etc.) it doesn’t know what I’m talking about

    *Ankgor Wat claims to reduce culture cost to buy tiles 'in every city' but actually effects just the building city.

    *Rationalist Social Policy claims +2 science for each trading post, but only gives 1.

    * Game info for the Factory is incomplete. All it states is its requirement of 1 Coal.

    * the civilopedia just shows 1 specialist for many of the buildings when they in fact provide 2.



    1.3 Strategic view

    *Cities in the strategic view cease to show detailed info when zoomed out. Right now, I have to either zoom in a lot, then lose the overall picture, or zoom out enough to see what's going on, but lose track of what city's building what.
    It shows the size of the city when it should show it's strength.

    *strategic view: because the tile yeilds are much lower there is little to differentiate them, for instance only one type of hill (even desert hills are the same), floodpains and grassland the same, all forest tiles the same, food resources mostly very similar to farmed grassland, all luxury resources similar. There should be more variety. It feels like it makes little difference where I settle because all the land is the same

    *In strategic view there are a few things that are unclear e.g impassable ice looks the same as coast tiles unless you mouse over it.

    * Remember last active strategic overlay on saving game.



    1.4 Normal map view


    * Show which tiles are being worked in the normal map view would be nice.

    *Until you actually fight in a Marsh, there is no way to find out that you get -33% combat strength there.

    * The mouseover information above the map should display all information about a tile and units in it. The popup tooltip is slightly more useful, but there is little to no information given about the enemy units.

    * You can only guess City HP based on HP bar and there is no way to see the exact numerical value anywhere.

    * Reduce length of camera movement after end of map-scrolling inputs.
    Zoom-To-Cursor is a very nice feature and a step in the right direction for the civ UI. However there is quite a considerable time the camera keeps moving when you release the mouse's scrollwheel. A similar thing happens with regular screen-edge scrolling too. It's ok for there to be a bit of movement after one stops the input but it's about 1.5 seconds in civ5. Compared with maybe 0.4 or so seconds in civ4 where it's basically a non-issue.

    * The Zoomlevels could be longer in both directions

    * No load bar that shows you what is going on.

    * Draggable mini-map
    Scroll the map by clicking and holding on locations in the mini-map.

    * No information on what improvements can be built on a tile before you have a worker there.


    1.5 City Screen

    * There isn't a column for Great Person Points within the city overview screen to compare cities.

    * Within the city overview screen the science column doesn't sort correctly.

    * city overview screen: when clicking on columns to sort, it should be possible to sort out in ascending/descending order

    * Hover-over info box (or whatever you call it) on buildings doesn't display any info on how many specialists it provides or what kind.

    * Make the building queue available without having to check the box

    * Allow drag & drop ordering of items in the queue

    * Show full city screen when selecting "Choose Production"

    * Make building queue longer

    *Its slow to scroll down the list of units, buildings or wonders.

    *Not being able to spend gold to finish the remainder of a production item.

    * No city-screen resource details. Although you can see your excess resources in the diplomatic screen, yet some buildings require "local" resources, as opposed to "empire" resources. A simple screen in the city screen should show what type of resources the city can access locally and empirely.

    *No tool tips tell you how many specialists a building gives you.

    *The city screen is kind of cluttered, and building icons take up too much space. We like the look of it, but it should be smaller and more compact.

    * Specialist control is cluttered with the giant stylized icons. It divides up your specialist slots into the buildings that grant them, but the buildings are placed in alphabetical order.
    No group by specialist type, so if you're assigning a lot of specs of one type for any purpose, you'll have to scroll the list.

    * The "citizen coin" is too cluttered. It would be better to highlight or circle the yields in the tile to show that it is being worked.

    * Disable city screen map scrolling and allow user to exit screen by clicking map

    * When choosing production in a city, exiting city screen should close the production-choice window as well.

    *Not beeing able to destroy buildings

    * Quirky production queue system. Shift-clicking and Ctrl-clicking should be implemented.



    1.6 Other overview screens


    *On the Military Overview (F3), click or doubleclicking a unit neither shows you where the unit is nor selects it, AND economy screen doesn't allow you to center on cities;)

    *It's too complicated to find out what Food or culture a city state is giving you

    * No resource page in general. The resources are squeezed into the diplomatic screen. It would have made sense to have a separate screen outlining these details.
    It's too difficult to know where your resources are coming from. Which are mine? Which imported?

    *The military overview window displays incorrectly for units that have fractional movement points left

    *Have the city states listed separately on a one-state-per-line list, with the list click-sortable by name, by category, by attitude, by who they're allied to, and by what their influence point status is.

    * No Score List.
    The diplomacy snapshot is rather obtrusive compared to the old, transparent score list, that also included your current agreements and allowed for quick diplomacy. I suppose the addition of city-states would make the list too long, but maybe a list with options what to be shown?

    * Bring Back Graphs.
    Graphs added an aspect of analysis and interest to Civ IV, and were purely optional--they were in a menu, so you didn't have to look at them; still, it was really interesting to see culture growth, espionage growth, etc.

    *Diplomacy trade screen defaults to having all expandable trade areas unexpanded by default. So It takes two extra clicks to expand my, then my targets, luxury list if I want to trade luxuries.

    * It's hard to tell which resources an other civ needs.



    1.7 Messages & notifications



    *No Messages about your Civ's status and growth, like reached population milestones, etc

    * When open borders expires, I don't need to be told that both ends of the deal were cancelled. A single notice is enough.

    *When you go to a new era, you will be told city states provide more to you now, without it telling you exactly how much more.

    *If the AI comes to you for a deal, accepting the deal closes the AI panel and prevents any other deals being made

    * the back-transparent screen-overlay when scavenging a ruin or getting any note.
    this pulls you out of the game for a little.

    * No notification when your culture acquires a new tile.

    *missing a pop up when entering a new era to remind us that new social policies are available.

    * Enemy attack info is displayed too little time to read it all. You may have to go to the log too many times. White color isn't easy to read.

    * No option to enable/disable notifications about puppet cities (f.e. population growth)

    *The "Advanced Ballistics" quote text doesn't match the audio.




    1.8 Keyboard Settings & Shortcuts

    * The quick save hotkey (F11) is right next to the quick load hotkey (F12). You can load by accident and lose some turns.

    * There should be an option to change the keyboard shortcuts.

    * Disable most keyboard shortcuts while civilopedia is open.
    At the moment it's too easy to accidentally give an order to a unit.

    * Canceling an active movement path placement by hitting ESC should be possible

    *The R button is both the hotkey to build a road, and the hot key to toggle the display of resources on the map. Since there is a brief lag to unit movement (As there is NO quick move option) you can tell a unit to move, and then hit R, and instead of giving them the order to build a road, turn off the resource display.




    1.9 Unit controls & Unit UI


    *Unit Info Panel: HP bar is easy to miss, Promotions are small, aren't unique and require tooltips to see. No XP bar, Range not listed, too large and nonadjustable size.

    * No info to see how much turns a unit needs to heal.

    * No unit command menu when the movement points are used up.

    * No way to find out about the AI's units' promotions.

    * Provide detailed unit mouseovers

    * Add shift clicking to set waypoints for units.

    * Add being able to mouse over a worker and see how long he has left to build something (takes a few seconds)

    *Add a "Wait" command for units (sleep, sentry already in civ)

    *Add a command to awaken all units at once

    *Add a command to upgrade all units.

    *We want more worker automation options (improve nearest city, replace existing improvments, improve based on the governor of the city, etc)

    * add a way to move units "en masse": select all unit you want to move together (shift-clicking?) and wherever your mouse point, you see the (transparents) units keeping the formation and adjusting to each tile (must take account of mountain and everything impassable: don't authorize the order or divert unit posing problem). Particulary necessary for overseas movement.

    *When plotting a multimove turn starting on land and crossing water, the "number of turns" calculation does not take into account that the unit will move faster across the water. It still counts one move per tile on the water in the displayed number of turns to reach the destination.

    * You should be able to tell combat Percentages with another unit before starting a war.

    *No way to tell the range of a selected unit without actually pressing B (or S + B in the case of early siege units) or right-clicking the unit portrait to get the civilopedia.

    *Units with many abilities and promotions hide them behind the unit portrait, making it impossible to see what they are.



    1.10 General UI & menu stuff



    * The Interface in general is too large and nonadjustbale.

    *Sometimes you can't see all the combat modifiers due to UI overlapping

    *When playing as India (or against them), the green territory boundaries are difficult to make out among the green mini map terrain. One of them should be a slightly darker shade to contrast more.

    * Customize options are too hidden.
    like renaming citys, advanced map setup f.e., for the most people they are really hard to find. A button instead of the small "edit" would be nice.

    * Input boxes should have default focus.
    For example, when saving the game or renaming a city, the user shouldn't have to use the mouse to click the box before being able to enter something into it.

    * Inability to change default XML files and save the game and reload it. You'll get a message saying: "Currently enabled mods are not compatible with this saved game"

    * when building a wonder the city info gives 'Moscow is building a .....' it should be ''is building the...'.




    2. AI & Unit behaviour


    * On water maps, AI should be more willing to research naval techs and explore and settle other islands

    *AI has problems at naval combat/getting across the water/founding cities on islands

    *AI is has problems with combat, they will move ranged units right next to your melee/non ranged so you can an easy kill.

    *AI settles early cities (or expands) too far away from their capital or even on the other side of the continent/landmass.

    * Auto-exploring with any unit typically leads to them infringing on city states borders even when they don't have to.

    *Worker Automation AI has problems (building roads to long long distance cities and obscure places,mass embarking, moving into enemy territory, trading post spam etc)

    *workers don't flee the enemy and are easy to capture.

    *Giving a unit a move order into a city automatically garrisons it.

    *You cannot 'pass' a turn in a city. You either have to garrison or move.

    *Units lose their queued orders when their path overlaps with other units. A very specific case of this is when you try to use the "route to" command with multiple workers. They stop every turn and request orders, which makes gameplay very tedious.

    * Agressive Civs have no defense units when at war, as they send everyone to attack.

    *Helicpoter gunships can use roads

    *Units lose their queued orders when you click on them

    *Barbarian Triremes never pillage, instead they just buzz around and are a nuisance

    *Sometimes if you get gifted units from CS's, yet their units block your passage out of their territory. Over time if you lose alliance with them, you start accruing penalties for tresspassing

    * you cannot click on a unit that has multi-turn orders and see where it is heading.

    * Units will not take quickest path to a destination. Example: If I tell an archer to go to a location and taking the road will get them there in 2 turns, the unit forces its way across the hill (even if there are no units in the way).

    *Feedback from the AI is insufficient. Sometimes the AI cancels a pact of cooperation fex when you ally to a city state but states that it's due to your warmongering.

    *Very few options for interacting with the AI or affecting their opinion of you. Most AIs will trade luxury resources and do research agreements with just about anybody with little consequences (of the likes of 'traded with our enemies')

    *Ai will buy any startegy resources as long as it has the gold, no matter if it needs it or not.

    *Automated workers should be able to ignore manually constructed improvements



    3. Graphics & Artwork


    * Rivers are ugly, especially when they run into the ocean.
    This is almost agreed by the whole community and definitly needs to be reworked.

    *Ice sometimes just looks out of place and overlaps the terrain.

    *No Tile Working Animation: Show what tiles are being worked from the main map.

    *railroads lack loop-de-loop at intersections




    4. Gameplay & Game mechanics



    *Railroads don't need to be unbroken to give production bonus.

    *If you connect a city to the capital with a railroad, the city gets a +50% production bonus, but the capital itself does not.

    *There are nearly no tech requirements, you can easily skip certain techs like musketman/riflemen and go straight for infantry. Rifling should be a requirement for infantry. GDR should need robotics.

    *Upgraded artillery -> rocket artillery still need to set up before bombarding

    *Crossbowmen get upgraded to riflemen and their ranged promotions become useless

    *Air strikes take forever since the unit physically flies from the destination, to the target and back, regardless of the distance and how much of it is on screen.

    *Scale the happiness provided according to map size, so that the world can be sufficiently populated.

    *The "Terra" map style will not provide different resources for different continents. This really takes the joy out of discovering the new world.

    *Penalty for unhappy empire is too low.

    * Map Replay: There is no map replay upon completing a game.

    *The fact that roads do not allow certain units to pass each other adds a layer of micro-managing which takes away from game play.

    *Moving multiple naval units at different speeds can be very frustrating.

    * Multi-turn moves. In former Civ games, when a unit was order for multi-turn moves, it moved during your turn, generally after you had moved the currently active units and before you hit end turn. After all, they do move during your turn. Instead, Civ V asks you to end your turn before moving those units. Its nice to be able to tell where you might need to move units that still have MPs left AFTER the units you ordered last turn(s) have moved.

    *Bonus resources feel pointless.
    F.e. right now there's no reason to build a pasture on a cow, for example as it's almost always better to spam a farm.
    A grassland-cow gives 3 food 1 production. A normal grassland with a farm eventually gives 4 food.

    * be able to build up forests/jungle again. Its important for Iroquies and universities.(maybe a chance for forests to spread to surrounding tiles like in Civ IV?)

    *Purchasing the same tile can cost differently for different cities that are close to each other.

    * Egypt with their civ unique treat combined with marble and +33% wonder building policy constructs wanders faster then normal buildings(Pyramids 11 turns/Granary 15 you get the picture).

    *No trade routes along a river

    *Considering that each Great scientist provides a free tech, whenever you want it, there seems no real reason to build the scientist improvement to get a paltry 5 science. Especially since while it gives 5 science per turn, you lose the advantage of whatever other improvement you were going to build (2 food, 1 production, 2 gold, etc).

    *A unit's multi-move path in terrain out of viewing range is sometimes plotted using information unavailable to the player like opposing civ unit locations or barbarian encampments.

    *When u have the option of displaying yields when civilian units are selected, the great general displays it. Not very useful and very confusing when waging war.

    *Slow production pace vs. fast tech pace: Buildings and units seem to build too long compared to benefit and compared to tech rates (I can often tech faster than the units I'm building).

    *Several buildings seem too costly for their benefits. Granaries and Courthouses are frequently mentioned.

    *a lot of the buildings are pretty much useless, some Wonders as well. As an example, you can put a lot of hammers in a building that makes you build military units a bit faster, but with so few military units in the game there's really no point.

    * People are upset if you have population and build slowly. If you stop expanding, your people build slowly. If you starve your population to reduce it, your people build slowly. Kind of a built in lose/lose.

    * if your people are unhappy, you can build a coliseum but building it takes very long.

    * "raze" and "annex" both lead to "annex".

    * 1UPT makes it hard to navigate at chokepoints.

    * social policies should be more flexible, an empire should be able to change it's directions over the ages

    *Great People are unbalanced. They usually have two options. One of which is extremely overpowered, and one which is extremely underpowered.

    * Exploring troops who pop goody huts should not get the 'improved weapons' bonus if it takes them more than one tech level ahead.

    * embarked units appear to exert a zone of control over land. The AI's pikemen on a boat can stop your land units from freely moving around on land

    *many units don't need the resource they depend on like War Elephants don't need the ivory resource.



    5. Multiplayer


    *No dedicated servers

    *no matchmaking

    *constant lag issue

    *framerate problems

    *no online ladder and rankings

    *no unit animation (no option)

    *random crashes

    *no way of reconnecting a game

    *no way of joining a mid-game through invite.

    * No Ability to easily play modded MP Games

    * No Ability to easily save MP Games

    *no abilty to add more then the defualt number of players in MP

    *In multiplayer, when you have human and AI players human players seems to start next to one another every single time, forcing early confrontation, which is not always desired.

    *when selecting a leader/civ in a multiplayer lobby, it does not show you their perks/unique units. This information is not on the tech tree / info sheet that came in the box either.




    6. Miscellaneous


    * No SP Scenario
    SP consists only of "Play Now" and "Custom Game". It doesn't get any more plain than this.





    7. left to discuss


    *No option to enable Random Events

    * No Wonder Movies an no Victory Movies:

    * No End Game Cinematics

    * Satellites do not reveal the map

    * No map trading

    *Deluxe edition saved games are not working since the latests update.

    *runtime crash

    *You cant from this stage look at your own diplomacy screens etc and work out any plus /minuses to the deal without doing a goodbye first

    *Connect cities ability for workers

    *To avoid unnecessary micro-managing, the research overflow should be kept while the tech will be finished next turn.

    *For same reason, redundant :) should be accumulated during golden age instead of being wasted.

    * AI needs to learn how to bomb and protect weaker units. It treats all units with the same stupidity.

    * Either get more happiness buildings or don't let puppet cities count so much toward unhappiness. It has made me raze 85% of all the cities out there.

    * In CIV V the capitol is way, way more important than in CIV IV, but it's being defended like in CIV IV. i.e. very suckily. Combine this with the razing and you're pushing people away from the Conq/Dom route, and that's a big no no.

    *No Simultaneous Multithreading (now that almost all Intel Processor ship with HyperThreating and I believe AMD has something similar too why not use it? Especially since the recommend a quad core processor anyway)

    *No variance in tile improvements (Why do you have a mine on flatlands? Why not use Bucket-wheel excavators?)

    *No option to turn Tessellation off (That costs a lot of resources and from how I understand it only DX11 cards can really use it)

    *Clouds/FoW just looks boring (at least ad some weather effects)

    *Same as above just for ocean tiles


    how is this?:confused:
    edit: nice job on catching those fixed errors atteSmythe:goodjob:
     
  16. gunter

    gunter Chieftain

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    Krieger66, is that list valid before or after the 1.0.0.162 ?

    In case it was still valid we have no hope, at least 8-9 patches will be necessary and the second one is the last one they told, just before Xmas.
     
  17. MadmanAtW

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    The strikethroughs represent things from the list that were resolved in 1.0.0.62 or before.

    The 4 vs 8 moves discussion is kind of irrelevant given that you're replying to a tongue-in-cheek post. :)
     
  18. PieceOfMind

    PieceOfMind Drill IV Defender Retired Moderator

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    Thanks for doing that, Krieger66. If it hasn't already been done, I'll add it to the OP shortly.

    EDIT
    The original OP, for reference sake:
    Spoiler :
    This thread is aimed to gather all the complaints, issues, etc. the civilization community has got with Civ V in list.

    I hope this may help the developers of this game to get some oversight over the many things this community is talking about.
    This way they can just go through every point, check and fix it.

    I collected the content from many different scattered threads throughout the forum, and has undergone quite some big reworking and polishing with the help of the community
    Please contribute and post content that you feel is missing in this list.

    I tried to keep this list as objective-focused as possible, although there may be some rather subjective parts left in. These are kept in because they are confirmed to be agreed on by the majority of the community.



    I do this because I love civilization, and I want to help making it better.


    Changelog:
    Spoiler :

    Update 1.5:
    small update
    Update 1.4:
    Added, edited and deleted many things, and sorted everything through for clearness.

    Update 1.3:
    This is a small update, I got rid of some stuff, cleared some stuff up, still a lot to do.
    Still a lot of duplicates, still a lot of language issues.
    Also I want to add the new things you posted here.
    I'm short on time right now, i hope i find some time for it later.
    Keep up the teamwork!

    Update 1.2:
    Thanks for the feedback.
    Again, this list is by far not complete yet. Please contribute where you feel it is needed.
    You can also tell me what you would write in a different way.
    Update 1.1:
    Sorted everything roughly into categories. Deleted some bad language.


    Table of content:
    Spoiler :
    1. UI & Menu stuff
    1.1 Menu & Game Options
    1.2 Civilopedia & Game infos
    1.3 Strategic view
    1.4 Normal map view
    1.5 City screen
    1.6 Other overview screens
    1.7 Messages & Notifications
    1.8 Keyboard Settings & Shortcuts
    1.9 Unit controls & Unit UI
    1.10 General UI & Menu stuff
    2. AI & Unit behaviour
    3. Graphic & Artwork
    4. Gameplay & Game mechanics
    5. Multiplayer
    6. Miscellaneous
    7. left to discuss



    1. UI & Menu stuff



    1.1 Menu & Game Options

    * The legal mumbo jumbo stuff at the beginning of every launch that I have to click “Continue” to before accessing the main menu. Signing it once should be enough.

    * No automatic default savegame name when saving the game.

    * Savegames are only sorted by name, not by date.

    * Too few customizabilities.
    You are not able to create a completely own civilization , with an own choosen name and traits.

    * There should be an option to change the keyboard shortcuts.

    * Add "No Unit Cycling" option

    * Add a real time clock option.

    * Add an option to disable unit animations

    * Add an option to enable razing all cities (capitals, city states)

    *Add an option to immeidately reenter diplomacy when a trade deal is up

    *Add an option to turn on/off notices by type.

    * Add an option for a right-click menu instead of making your units move that way

    * Add an option to enable combat zooming.

    * No button to view the civilopedia from the main menu.


    1.2 Civilopedia & Game infos

    *The Civilopedia is vague over features and bonuses that elements give.

    *It has too much fluff content and not enough game information.How fast do railroads make my units? How much do Pacts of Secrecy/Cooperation help my standing with another leader?

    * Civilopedia: brief descriptions and no links. Sometimes only text with no graphics or symbols.

    *Seems whenever I do a search for legitimate terms in civilopedia (raze, razing, cooperation, secrecy, etc.) it doesn’t know what I’m talking about

    *Ankgor Wat claims to reduce culture cost to buy tiles 'in every city' but actually effects just the building city.

    *Rationalist Social Policy claims +2 science for each trading post, but only gives 1.

    * Game info for the Factory is incomplete. All it states is its requirement of 1 Coal.

    * the civilopedia just shows 1 specialist for many of the buildings when they in fact provide 2.



    1.3 Strategic view

    *Cities in the strategic view cease to show detailed info when zoomed out. Right now, I have to either zoom in a lot, then lose the overall picture, or zoom out enough to see what's going on, but lose track of what city's building what.
    It shows the size of the city when it should show it's strength.

    *strategic view: because the tile yeilds are much lower there is little to differentiate them, for instance only one type of hill (even desert hills are the same), floodpains and grassland the same, all forest tiles the same, food resources mostly very similar to farmed grassland, all luxury resources similar. There should be more variety. It feels like it makes little difference where I settle because all the land is the same

    *In strategic view there are a few things that are unclear e.g impassable ice looks the same as coast tiles unless you mouse over it.

    * Remember last active strategic overlay on saving game.



    1.4 Normal map view


    * Show which tiles are being worked in the normal map view would be nice.

    *Until you actually fight in a Marsh, there is no way to find out that you get -33% combat strength there.

    * The mouseover information above the map should display all information about a tile and units in it. The popup tooltip is slightly more useful, but there is little to no information given about the enemy units.

    * You can only guess City HP based on HP bar and there is no way to see the exact numerical value anywhere.

    * Reduce length of camera movement after end of map-scrolling inputs.
    Zoom-To-Cursor is a very nice feature and a step in the right direction for the civ UI. However there is quite a considerable time the camera keeps moving when you release the mouse's scrollwheel. A similar thing happens with regular screen-edge scrolling too. It's ok for there to be a bit of movement after one stops the input but it's about 1.5 seconds in civ5. Compared with maybe 0.4 or so seconds in civ4 where it's basically a non-issue.

    * The Zoomlevels could be longer in both directions

    * No load bar that shows you what is going on.

    * Draggable mini-map
    Scroll the map by clicking and holding on locations in the mini-map.

    * No information on what improvements can be built on a tile before you have a worker there.


    1.5 City Screen

    * There isn't a column for Great Person Points within the city overview screen to compare cities.

    * Within the city overview screen the science column doesn't sort correctly.

    * city overview screen: when clicking on columns to sort, it should be possible to sort out in ascending/descending order

    * Hover-over info box (or whatever you call it) on buildings doesn't display any info on how many specialists it provides or what kind.

    *Sometimes, when clicking on a city, you only get a limited build queue and have to go back to the city to look at it and add items to the queue

    * Make the building queue available without having to check the box

    * Allow drag & drop ordering of items in the queue

    * Show full city screen when selecting "Choose Production"

    * Make building queue longer

    *Its slow to scroll down the list of units, buildings or wonders.

    *Not being able to spend gold to finish the remainder of a production item.

    * No city-screen resource details. Although you can see your excess resources in the diplomatic screen, yet some buildings require "local" resources, as opposed to "empire" resources. A simple screen in the city screen should show what type of resources the city can access locally and empirely.

    *No tool tips tell you how many specialists a building gives you.

    *The city screen is kind of cluttered, and building icons take up too much space. We like the look of it, but it should be smaller and more compact.

    * Specialist control is cluttered with the giant stylized icons. It divides up your specialist slots into the buildings that grant them, but the buildings are placed in alphabetical order.
    No group by specialist type, so if you're assigning a lot of specs of one type for any purpose, you'll have to scroll the list.

    * The "citizen coin" is too cluttered. It's used both for specs and for assigning citizens to work tiles. The problem is that unless you zoom in a lot, these "citizen coins" are gigantic and obscure most of the view, so you can't even see much in your city screen. Also is the "buy tile" coin. As these icons are offset from the tile itself, so it can be difficult to take in in a quick glance. It would be better to highlight or circle the yields in the tile to show that it is being worked.

    * Disable city screen map scrolling and allow user to exit screen by clicking map

    * When choosing production in a city, exiting city screen should close the production-choice window as well.

    *Not beeing able to destroy buildings

    * Quirky production queue system. Shift-clicking and Ctrl-clicking should be implemented.



    1.6 Other overview screens


    *On the Military Overview (F3), click or doubleclicking a unit neither shows you where the unit is nor selects it.

    *It's too complicated to find out what Food or culture a city state is giving you:
    You have to open up diplomacy view - Select City State - On the popup, hover your mouse over the appreciation bar.

    * No resource page in general. The resources are squeezed into the diplomatic screen. It would have made sense to have a separate screen outlining these details.
    It's too difficult to know where your resources are coming from. Which are mine? Which imported?

    *The military overview window displays incorrectly for units that have fractional movement points left

    *Have the city states listed separately on a one-state-per-line list, with the list click-sortable by name, by category, by attitude, by who they're allied to, and by what their influence point status is.

    * No Score List.
    The diplomacy snapshot is rather obtrusive compared to the old, transparent score list, that also included your current agreements and allowed for quick diplomacy. I suppose the addition of city-states would make the list too long, but maybe a list with options what to be shown?

    * Bring Back Graphs.
    Graphs added an aspect of analysis and interest to Civ IV, and were purely optional--they were in a menu, so you didn't have to look at them; still, it was really interesting to see culture growth, espionage growth, etc.

    *Diplomacy trade screen defaults to having all expandable trade areas unexpanded by default. So It takes two extra clicks to expand my, then my targets, luxury list if I want to trade luxuries.

    * It's hard to tell which resources an other civ needs.



    1.7 Messages & notifications



    *No Messages about your Civ's status and growth, like reached population milestones, etc

    * When open borders expires, I don't need to be told that both ends of the deal were cancelled. A single notice is enough.

    *When you go to a new era, you will be told city states provide more to you now, without it telling you exactly how much more.

    *If the AI comes to you for a deal, accepting the deal closes the AI panel and prevents any other deals being made

    * the back-transparent screen-overlay when scavenging a ruin or getting any note.
    this pulls you out of the game for a little.

    * No notification when your culture acquires a new tile.

    *missing a pop up when entering a new era to remind us that new social policies are available.

    * Enemy attack info is displayed too little time to read it all. You may have to go to the log too many times. White color isn't easy to read.

    * No option to enable/disable notifications about puppet cities (f.e. population growth)

    *The "Advanced Ballistics" quote text doesn't match the audio.




    1.8 Keyboard Settings & Shortcuts

    * The quick save hotkey (F11) is right next to the quick load hotkey (F12). You can load by accident and lose some turns.

    * There should be an option to change the keyboard shortcuts.

    * Disable most keyboard shortcuts while civilopedia is open.
    At the moment it's too easy to accidentally give an order to a unit.

    * Canceling an active movement path placement by hitting ESC should be possible

    *The R button is both the hotkey to build a road, and the hot key to toggle the display of resources on the map. Since there is a brief lag to unit movement (As there is NO quick move option) you can tell a unit to move, and then hit R, and instead of giving them the order to build a road, turn off the resource display.




    1.9 Unit controls & Unit UI


    *Unit Info Panel: HP bar is easy to miss, Promotions are small, aren't unique and require tooltips to see. No XP bar, Range not listed, too large and nonadjustable size.

    * No info to see how much turns a unit needs to heal.

    * No unit command menu when the movement points are used up.

    * No way to find out about the AI's units' promotions.

    * Provide detailed unit mouseovers

    * Add shift clicking to set waypoints for units.

    * Add being able to mouse over a worker and see how long he has left to build something

    *Add a "Wait" command for units

    *Add a command to awaken all units at once

    *Add a command to upgrade all units.

    *We want more worker automation options (improve nearest city, replace existing improvments, improve based on the governor of the city, etc)

    * add a way to move units "en masse": select all unit you want to move together (shift-clicking?) and wherever your mouse point, you see the (transparents) units keeping the formation and adjusting to each tile (must take account of mountain and everything impassable: don't authorize the order or divert unit posing problem). Particulary necessary for overseas movement.

    *When plotting a multimove turn starting on land and crossing water, the "number of turns" calculation does not take into account that the unit will move faster across the water. It still counts one move per tile on the water in the displayed number of turns to reach the destination.

    * You should be able to tell combat Percentages with another unit before starting a war.

    *No way to tell the range of a selected unit without actually pressing B (or S + B in the case of early siege units) or right-clicking the unit portrait to get the civilopedia.

    *Units with many abilities and promotions hide them behind the unit portrait, making it impossible to see what they are.



    1.10 General UI & menu stuff



    * The Interface in general is too large and nonadjustbale.

    *Sometimes you can't see all the combat modifiers due to UI overlapping

    *When playing as India (or against them), the green territory boundaries are difficult to make out among the green mini map terrain. One of them should be a slightly darker shade to contrast more.

    * No "regenerate map" menu option once the game is started.
    If you are unsatisfied with your starting location, you have to go back to the main menu where you have to completely redo all the setup settings.

    * No "city naming box", or at least no option to enable it, to ask you for the name of your newly build city.

    * Customize options are too hidden.
    like renaming citys, advanced map setup f.e., for the most people they are really hard to find. A button instead of the small "edit" would be nice.

    * Input boxes should have default focus.
    For example, when saving the game or renaming a city, the user shouldn't have to use the mouse to click the box before being able to enter something into it.

    * Inability to change default XML files and save the game and reload it. You'll get a message saying: "Currently enabled mods are not compatible with this saved game"

    * when building a wonder the city info gives 'Moscow is building a .....' it should be ''is building the...'.




    2. AI & Unit behaviour


    * On water maps, AI should be more willing to research naval techs and explore and settle other islands

    *AI has problems at naval combat/getting across the water/founding cities on islands

    *AI is has problems with combat, they will move ranged units right next to your melee/non ranged so you can an easy kill.

    *AI settles early cities (or expands) too far away from their capital or even on the other side of the continent/landmass.

    * Auto-exploring with any unit typically leads to them infringing on city states borders even when they don't have to.

    *Worker Automation AI has problems (building roads to long long distance cities and obscure places,mass embarking, moving into enemy territory, trading post spam etc)

    *workers don't flee the enemy and are easy to capture.

    *Giving a unit a move order into a city automatically garrisons it.

    *You cannot 'pass' a turn in a city. You either have to garrison or move.

    *Units lose their queued orders when their path overlaps with other units. A very specific case of this is when you try to use the "route to" command with multiple workers. They stop every turn and request orders, which makes gameplay very tedious.

    * Agressive Civs have no defense units when at war, as they send everyone to attack.

    *Helicpoter gunships can use roads

    *Units lose their queued orders when you click on them

    *Barbarian Triremes never pillage, instead they just buzz around and are a nuisance

    *Sometimes if you get gifted units from CS's, yet their units block your passage out of their territory. Over time if you lose alliance with them, you start accruing penalties for tresspassing

    * you cannot click on a unit that has multi-turn orders and see where it is heading.

    * Units will not take quickest path to a destination. Example: If I tell an archer to go to a location and taking the road will get them there in 2 turns, the unit forces its way across the hill (even if there are no units in the way).

    *Feedback from the AI is insufficient. Sometimes the AI cancels a pact of cooperation fex when you ally to a city state but states that it's due to your warmongering.

    *Very few options for interacting with the AI or affecting their opinion of you. Most AIs will trade luxury resources and do research agreements with just about anybody with little consequences (of the likes of 'traded with our enemies')

    *Ai will buy any startegy resources as long as it has the gold, no matter if it needs it or not.

    *Automated workers should be able to ignore manually constructed improvements



    3. Graphics & Artwork


    * Rivers are ugly, especially when they run into the ocean.
    This is almost agreed by the whole community and definitly needs to be reworked.

    *Ice sometimes just looks out of place and overlaps the terrain.

    *No Tile Working Animation: Show what tiles are being worked from the main map.




    4. Gameplay & Game mechanics



    *Railroads don't need to be unbroken to give production bonus.

    *If you connect a city to the capital with a railroad, the city gets a +50% production bonus, but the capital itself does not.

    *There are nearly no tech requirements, you can easily skip certain techs like musketman/riflemen and go straight for infantry. Rifling should be a requirement for infantry. GDR should need robotics.

    *Upgraded artillery -> rocket artillery still need to set up before bombarding

    *Crossbowmen get upgraded to riflemen and their ranged promotions become useless

    *Air strikes take forever since the unit physically flies from the destination, to the target and back, regardless of the distance and how much of it is on screen.

    *Scale the happiness provided according to map size, so that the world can be sufficiently populated.

    *The "Terra" map style will not provide different resources for different continents. This really takes the joy out of discovering the new world.

    *Penalty for unhappy empire is too low.

    * Map Replay: There is no map replay upon completing a game.

    *The fact that roads do not allow certain units to pass each other adds a layer of micro-managing which takes away from game play.

    *Moving multiple naval units at different speeds can be very frustrating.

    * Multi-turn moves. In former Civ games, when a unit was order for multi-turn moves, it moved during your turn, generally after you had moved the currently active units and before you hit end turn. After all, they do move during your turn. Instead, Civ V asks you to end your turn before moving those units. Its nice to be able to tell where you might need to move units that still have MPs left AFTER the units you ordered last turn(s) have moved.

    *Bonus resources feel pointless.
    F.e. right now there's no reason to build a pasture on a cow, for example as it's almost always better to spam a farm.
    A grassland-cow gives 3 food 1 production. A normal grassland with a farm eventually gives 4 food.

    * be able to build up forests/jungle again. Its important for Iroquies and universities.

    *Purchasing the same tile can cost differently for different cities that are close to each other.

    * Egypt civ unique building is too rewarding.It has 0 maintentance and 2 culture and 2 happyness rendering the construction of any other happyness building overall useless.

    * Egypt with their civ unique treat combined with marble and +33% wonder building policy constructs wanders faster then normal buildings(Pyramids 11 turns/Granary 15 you get the picture).

    *No trade routes along a river

    *Considering that each Great scientist provides a free tech, whenever you want it, there seems no real reason to build the scientist improvement to get a paltry 5 science. Especially since while it gives 5 science per turn, you lose the advantage of whatever other improvement you were going to build (2 food, 1 production, 2 gold, etc).

    *A unit's multi-move path in terrain out of viewing range is sometimes plotted using information unavailable to the player like opposing civ unit locations or barbarian encampments.

    *When u have the option of displaying yields when civilian units are selected, the great general displays it. Not very useful and very confusing when waging war.

    *Slow production pace vs. fast tech pace: Buildings and units seem to build too long compared to benefit and compared to tech rates (I can often tech faster than the units I'm building).

    *Several buildings seem too costly for their benefits. Granaries and Courthouses are frequently mentioned.

    *a lot of the buildings are pretty much useless, some Wonders as well. As an example, you can put a lot of hammers in a building that makes you build military units a bit faster, but with so few military units in the game there's really no point.

    * People are upset if you have population and build slowly. If you stop expanding, your people build slowly. If you starve your population to reduce it, your people build slowly. Kind of a built in lose/lose.

    * if your people are unhappy, you can build a coliseum but building it takes very long.

    * "raze" and "annex" both lead to "annex".

    * 1UPT makes it hard to navigate at chokepoints.

    * social policies should be more flexible, an empire should be able to change it's directions over the ages

    *Great People are unbalanced. They usually have two options. One of which is extremely overpowered, and one which is extremely underpowered.

    * Exploring troops who pop goody huts should not get the 'improved weapons' bonus if it takes them more than one tech level ahead.

    * embarked units appear to exert a zone of control over land. The AI's pikemen on a boat can stop your land units from freely moving around on land

    *many units don't need the resource they depend on like War Elephants don't need the ivory resource.



    5. Multiplayer


    *No dedicated servers

    *no matchmaking

    *constant lag issue

    *framerate problems

    *no online ladder and rankings

    *no unit animation (no option)

    *random crashes

    *no way of reconnecting a game

    *no way of joining a mid-game through invite.

    * No Ability to easily play modded MP Games

    * No Ability to easily save MP Games

    *no abilty to add more then the defualt number of players in MP

    *In multiplayer, when you have human and AI players human players seems to start next to one another every single time, forcing early confrontation, which is not always desired.

    *when selecting a leader/civ in a multiplayer lobby, it does not show you their perks/unique units. This information is not on the tech tree / info sheet that came in the box either.




    6. Miscellaneous


    * No SP Scenario
    SP consists only of "Play Now" and "Custom Game". It doesn't get any more plain than this.





    7. left to discuss


    * It is almost unanimosly agreed by the community that the trading posts are ugly and break the scenery immersion.
    There is often the wish for a graphic like small towns.

    *No option to enable Random Events

    * No Wonder Movies an no Victory Movies:

    * No End Game Cinematics

    * Satellites do not reveal the map

    * No map trading

    * No era specific Music.





    -to be continued and worked over-​
     
  19. Krieger66

    Krieger66 Lord of all things necro

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    after, its kind of funny that most of the things the patch dealt with weren't even being complained about:lol:

    anytime:D
     
  20. Clement

    Clement Layman

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    One month on i've rounded down the issues that make Civ 5 unenjoyable for me, i write here only the parts of the game that have disappointed me enough to stop me playing for now, and what i personally would like to see implemented in this or any future Civ title.


    1. When playing a Civilization game, i'd like to play with opponents that act like nations and not like boardgame players, I'd like AI leaders to show appreciation for kind gestures and not just anger for any slight thing that does'nt go their way, interaction with Ai leaders is currently all stick and no carrot.

    2. I'd like diplomacy that makes sense, i don't want to see a nation which my own advisor says is militarily stronger than me, be "afraid" of me for example, i don't want to see a leader call me a warmonger after helping him in a war, neither do i want to cultivate 400 turns of goodwill with a friendly ally just to have them declare war on me because they randomly decide to go for a domination win, it may be correct "winning" AI, but it's not fun AI.

    3. I'd like the medium difficulty level to be me versus the Ai with no benefits or bonuses to either party, this means no help for the AI at all, not 10%, not 1%, nothing, just an AI that plays against me using the same rules of the game as i do.

    4. I dislike the arbitrary domination victory condition of having to hold each capital city, it leads to some cities being razable and others not, to ask a player to believe that some cities are made of magical indestructable bricks is a step too far, it's illogical, contradictory and has the repeated effect of breaking what i consider to be a reasonable standard of player immersion.

    5 .having one AI almost always dominate an entire continent and wipe out everything else is frustratingly depressing, what are you left with at that point? the prospect of warring away for years and years with the same opponent till the game ends, no spies, no political intrigue, at that point my interest in the world is effectively dead because there is almost no one else left on the map to talk to, just that one boring enemy.


    Well thats it, i realise of course that all these points are subjective but i wanted to give my opinion on the game, thank you for reading.
     

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