I'd rather have SecuROM, since that can be cracked out after purchase.
That would just cause me to wait a couple weeks, instead of a whole year to get the game.
Civ 5 - Why the protest?
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I'd rather have SecuROM, since that can be cracked out after purchase.
That would just cause me to wait a couple weeks, instead of a whole year to get the game.
What is your issue with a boycott? If someone doesn't like a certain feature, they don't buy the game. Or are you suggesting that everyone should just go out and get the game regardless? I'm afraid I'm not going to hand over 50+ dollars for something I'm not going to feel frustrated with, even if it is Civ. And that's all a boycott is really, a large enough group of people who are dissatisfied enough about some product to not spend their money on it.
That's a very short sighted view. If this move to Steam is setting the stage for more draconian DRM in the future, then we won't be better off in the long run. As long as 2K understands that there are concerns about what steps they take to protect their profit margin, they will consider the public response in whatever measures they choose. But if everyone just rolls over and accepts whatever they toss at us, then we may find ourselves down the road with a system we do not like at all.
I'm sure if they really wanted to they could find a way. It wouldn't be necessary to remove any of the Steam functions, just make them optional instead of mandatory.
Are we going to die if we buy and play it?!
Are we going to die if we don't buy the game, and don't play it? If I don't like a certain feature of a game, why should I spend my money on it? I don't like being forced to use Steam, therefore I won't buy Civ 5. Make it an option and not a requirement and I will buy Civ 5 on release day.
I don't buy online, which is one reason why I don't want to be forced into using Steam. It offers no value to me whatsoever, it will be nothing more than bloatware needed to play a single game. I felt the same way about Impulse when I needed it to update my GalCiv 2 game, but at least with that I had the option to remove it from my system afterwards. I won't have that choice with Steam.
Actually I agree with you Willem, I have no plans or desire (at the moment) to buy online. The US$ would have to very low before I buy through Steam. I am more or less on the fence with regard to Steam, like you I don't appreciate not being given the choice
Senethro
Overlord
The issue with the boycott is how boycotters keep telling everyone that they're boycotting, that boycotting is somehow the moral thing to do and that you should boycott as well.
We understand by now, you're not buying the game. Now get over it.
We understand by now, you're not buying the game. Now get over it.
Willem...just as a friendly aside: there is a multiquote feature so you don't have to make multiple posts in a row.
Yes I know, it's just been my habit to reply individually to posts. Old habits are hard to break.
We understand by now, you think Steam is the greatest thing to happen to mankind. Now get over it.
Just because I've made my position clear doesn't mean I don't have the right to express my dissatisfaction over the arrangement. Frankly, you should be thanking people like me who are protesting this move. If 2K sees enough opposition to this form of DRM, then they won't be inclined to follow in the footsteps of EA or UbiSoft. If everyone just rolls over and accepts whatever the game companies shove down their throats, then that scenario is pretty much guaranteed.
What did you expect, you invited a debate just by your choice of a title for this thread. A lot of people have good reasons for protesting, you're just opening the door by asking why they're doing so. There's absolutely nothing wrong with consumer debate, it's healthy for the marketplace. Corporations need to know when there's a line they cannot cross. Otherwise the public will end up getting shafted as they consider their profit margin above everything else.
Senethro
Overlord
This just shows a profound lack of insight into other peoples position. I merely think Steam is a better form of DRM than securom and am concerned that some people who dislike change will somehow cause 2K to make what from my view is a bad decision and change DRM. I wouldn't post if you weren't campaigning to make Civ5 worse in my eyes.
That you say you're doing something that you claim will benefit me against my expressed position is extremely smug and paternalistic.
Don't worry Senethro. They won't be changing DRM because steamworks is core to the game. I'm pretty sure you've already accepted this fact. 
Seems to me that anyone who is fanatically for or against Steam is trying to do this
Senethro
Overlord
No, thats the difference. Theres people here thinking they are doing something Right and Good, hence all this language about rights and freedoms, saving the poor consumers from their shortsighted choices.
Whereas I just think Civ5 being on Steam benefits me personally.
Commander Bello
Say No 2 Net Validations
I can't (and won't) speak for everybody, but it seems that one of the issues for some people is that they aren't even allowed that choice regardless of who thinks it is or isn't shortsighted
But it doesn't benefit me in any way. You like to use Steam, that's your choice. But there's nothing it offers that's of any value to me. So why should I be forced into using it? I've mentioned on many occasions now that I have nothing against Steam as long as it's an option, not a requirement. What part of freedom of choice do you not understand? The only choice that has been left to me on this issue is to buy the game or not. And I choose not to buy. If 2K wants to restrict my options, then they can just deal with the loss of my income. There's plenty of other games to play. Fallout: New Vegas will be coming out at about the same time as Civ5, so I'll just go for that one instead. My gaming budget is very limited right now as it is anyway.
Senethro
Overlord
Of course they have a choice and they are exercising it. Its why they keep telling us about their choice that is mystifying.
We understand by now, you're happy with Steam. Now get over it.
Why can't you let it go? Seriously, if the tired anti-Steam rants were to vanish, so would I. Try it.
Your choice is to buy or not buy the entertainment product. Theres no obligation to make sure it caters to all demographics, no morality or virtuous "fighting the corporate power".
Commander Bello
Say No 2 Net Validations
Ah, now I get it.
If you're having the last word, things are fine. If not, the debate will be going on.
I hardly claim that my opinions are moral or virtuous, but corporations do need to be made aware of what their limits are. By speaking out, I'm sending them that message.
