Civ-specific Great People

AbsintheRed · Aug 31, 2012

simplicissimus said:
After a little research:

GM: Samuel Oppenheimer, Maximilian Thaddäus von Egger, Sebald Pögl der Ältere as well as his son Sebald Pögl der Jüngere

GE: Franz Anton Pilgram

GD: Siegmund von Herberstein, Friedrich Heinrich von Seckendorff, Johann Joseph von Khevenhüller-Metsch, Wenzel Eusebius von Lobkowicz

Who is Gaspar Graziani? Do you mean him: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaspar_Graziani and if: I can´t find any connections with Austria or do you know more?

How many names do you need/want for every civilization?

Thanks!
Gaspar Graziani worked for the Habsburgs, but I will remove him if we find enough more fitting spies/conspirators/diplomats

I want to have at least 5 names in each category, but the more the merrier
The "easier" civs (Italy, England, France, Spain, Arabia, etc...) will have 10+ names in most categories

702 · Sep 2, 2012

Bulgaria coming up!

GP
Boris I, St. John of Rila, St. Evtimiy, St. Sophronius, Vladislav the Grammarian, Constantine of Preslav, Enravota, Cosmas, Bogomil, John Kukuzelis, Theodosius of Tarnovo, Sarah-Theodora
GA
Paisius of Hilendar, Vasil Aprilov, Chernorizets Hrabar, Petar Bogdan, Dionisiy Divniy
GSc
Petar Beron, Doncho Papazov

702 · Sep 3, 2012

Bulgaria:
GM: Peter I, Theodore Svetoslav, Smilets, Ivan Asen II, Kaloyan
GE: Tervel, Alexi Rilets, Dimitar, Ivan Alexander
GG: Kubrat, Samuil, Krakra, Alogobotur
GSp: Vasil Levski, Hristo Botev, Georgi Benkovski, Tonka Obretenova, Petko Voyvoda, Hadzhi Dimitar, Georgi Voyteh, Indzhe Voyvoda, Rostislav Stratimirovic, Chavdar, Delyo, Sursuval

Struggled a bit with GM, so these are tsars who ruled during prosperous economic times or who had extensive lands (therefore wealth) of their own. Bit tenuous...

I'd also maybe move Omurtag from GG to GE since there are more decent GG then GE choices, and he was responsible for many building projects

http://bulgariatravel.org/en/object/310/Dyavolski_most_Arda

For the GSp, most are 19th century revolutionaries who fought Ottoman rule, bit late again, but there are several earlier characters too

702 · Sep 9, 2012

Kiev/Ukraine

Some of these are a little late, into the 19th century, but there should be just enough here!

GP: Anthony of Kiev, Yaropolk Izyaslavich, Feofan Prokopovich, Hryhorii Skovoroda
GA: Artemy Vedel, Ostap Veresai, Marusia Churai, Dmitry Bortniansky, Artemy Vedel, Dmitry Levitzky, Innokentiy Gizel, Ivan Kotlyarevsky
GSc: Nestor Ambodyk-Maksymovych, Petro Prokopovych, Yuriy Drohobych, Peter Mogila, Konstanty Ostrogski, Eugene Bolkhovitinov
GM: Danylo, Yuri Lisyansky, Mykhaylo Boym, Vasyl Hryhorovych-Barsky
GE: Ivan Hryhorovych-Barskyi, Andrey Kvasov, Alexander Dmitrievich Zasyadko, Vasaliy Karazin, Pyotr Neyelov, Jakub Madlain
GG: Petro Konashevych-Sahaidachny, Bohdan Khmelnytsky, Yermak Timofeyevich
GSp: Dobrynya, Jerzy Franciszek Kulcyzycki (Polish?) Pylyp Orlyk?, Kondatry Bulavin, Yemelyan Pugachev, Stenka Razin

AbsintheRed · Sep 9, 2012

Looks great, thanks!
Will look through your lists of Bulgaria and Kiev, the others are already merged
In the meantime, could you look for a couple Norse and Ottoman prophets?

702 · Sep 10, 2012

No problem!

Some of these you probably already have, but hopefully there are some new ones here

Norse
GP: Harold Bluetooth, St. Ansgar, Olaf Tryggvason, Thorgeirr Ljósvetningagodi, Hans Egede (also GM), Laurentius Petri, Olaus Petri, Birgitta Birgersdotter, Emanuel Swedenborg, Laurentius Andreae, Canutus Hahn, St. Sigfrid

Ottoman
GP: Imam Birgivi, Yaakov Culi, Judah Rosanes, Abdul Hamid I, Sabbatai Zevi, Ibrahim Erzurumi (also GSc), Mehmet Tokadi, Sünbül Efendi

simplicissimus · Sep 18, 2012

Another famous Habsburgian General from the wars against the Ottomans: Ludwig Wilhelm von Baden-Baden!

Issos · Oct 13, 2012

It's been a long time. Great to see that mod is still being upgraded.

Since, as far as i noticed, poles are still untouched, i'll start:

Great Prophet: St. Wojciech, St. Stanislaw, St. Kinga, St. Jadwiga, Piotr Skarga, Augustyn Kordecki
Great Artist: Gall Anonim (Gallus Anonymus), Wincenty Kadłubek, Jan Długosz, Wit Stwosz (Veit Stoss - German working in Krakow.. i know he is agruable candidate), Jan Kochanowski, Mikołaj Sęp-Szarzyński, Mikołaj Rej, Ignacy Krasicki
Great Scientist: Mikołaj Kopernik, Johannes Hevelius, Hugo Kołłątaj, Stanisław Staszic
Great Engineer: that one is hard for me
Great Merchant: Maurycy Beniowski, Cyprian Zabłocki, Bronisław Piłsudski (scientist? post 1800), Bronisław Malinowski (could be scientist, could be english, ...)
Great General: Bolesław Chrobry (the Brave, the Valiant), Władysław Jagiełło, Stefan Czarniecki, Stanisław Żółkiewski, Jan Karol Chodkiewicz, Tadeusz Kościuszko, Jeremi Wiśniowiecki, Kazimierz Pułaski, Krzysztof "Thunderbolt" ("Piorun") Radziwiłł
Great Spy: Jerzy Kulczycki, (the following are politicians and diplomats): Jan Zamoyski, Adam Kazimierz Czartoryski, Stanisław August Poniatowski (the last king, stripped from actual power. One of most controversive characters of our history, since he tried to recover his country from crisis with diplomacy and schemes...)

Jan Nepomucen Potocki - Captain of Engineers, ethnologist, Egyptologist, linguist, traveler, adventurer and popular author (after wiki, i knew him as a writer) - artist, engeneer, scientist or merchant (traveller)? I don't know.

ezzlar · Oct 15, 2012

Will some of the lists be shared? It wouldn´t be strange if a German poet instead emerged in Austria in a game where the Austrians were more cultural. Or if a prominent general emigrated to a more aggressive civ than the one where he/she was born.

AbsintheRed · Oct 15, 2012

Thanks for the names guys, it's really starting to feel complete :king:

Will start to post the civs one by one after the release of 1.1
So we can start to finalize them

ezzlar said:
Will some of the lists be shared? It wouldn´t be strange if a German poet instead emerged in Austria in a game where the Austrians were more cultural. Or if a prominent general emigrated to a more aggressive civ than the one where he/she was born.

We can share some of the names/lists for specific civs
But it would take much extra work to make the lists dynamic.
Not even sure if it would be a good idea... would probably look odd in a couple cases.

So no, dynamically changing lists are not planned
We should put them together in a way that they will be fix for the entire game

Spirictum · Oct 15, 2012

AbsintheRed said:
We can share some of the names/lists for specific civs
But it would take much extra work to make the lists dynamic.
Not even sure if it would be a good idea... would probably look odd in a couple cases.

So no, dynamically changing lists are not planned
We should put them together in a way that they will be fix for the entire game

A plan for the future: Maybe GPs could be tied to provinces? That would make it the most realistic of all. We'd need to know their area of work and any civ controlling that area could spawn this GP. By now the work seems great, can't wait to see RFCE 1.1 with all these stuff

AbsintheRed · Dec 18, 2012

Issos said:
It's been a long time. Great to see that mod is still being upgraded.

Since, as far as i noticed, poles are still untouched, i'll start:

Great Artist: Gall Anonim (Gallus Anonymus), Wincenty Kadłubek, Jan Długosz, Wit Stwosz (Veit Stoss - German working in Krakow.. i know he is agruable candidate), Jan Kochanowski, Mikołaj Sęp-Szarzyński, Mikołaj Rej, Ignacy Krasicki

Viet Stoss goes to the german list
What do you think about adding the "Three Bards", Adam Mickiewicz, Juliusz Słowacki and Zygmunt Krasiński to the polish artist list? (even if they lived in the early 19th century)

caphyre · Mar 22, 2019

AbsintheRed said:
Expanded russian list.
Comments?
We really need more scholars

Spoiler :

Russia:
Great Theologians:
Boris Godunov (Russia)
Alexander Nevsky (Russia/Novgorod) - general?
Dmitry Donskoy - general?
St. Anthony, St John and St. Eustathius of Vilna (Russia/Lithuania)
Sergey Radonezhsky / Sergius of Radonezh (Russia)
Seraphim Sarovsky / Seraphim of Sarov (Russia)
Kirill Belozersky / Kirill of Beloozero (Russia)

Great Artists:
Andrei Rublev (Russia)
Vasily Trediakovsky (Russia)
Fyodor Mikhaylovich Dostoyevsky (Russia) - late?
Alexander Sergeyevich Pushkin (Russia) - late?
Daniil Chyorny (Russia)
Denis Fonvizin
Fyodor Volkov
Nikolay Karamzin
Ivan Krylov - late?
Vasily Zhukovsky - late?
Nikolay Gnedich - late?
Mikhail Lermontov - late?
Nikolai Gogol - late?
Mikhail Glinka - late?
Karl Bryullov - late?
Dmitry Bortniansky - late?
Maksim Grek / Maximus the Greek (active in Russia)
Gavrila Romanovich Derzhavin (Russia) - late?

Great Scholars:
Mikhail Lomonosov
Stepan Krasheninnikov
Nestor - who???

Great Merchants:
Sergei Stroganov
Grigory Dmitriyevich Stroganov
Yermak Timofeyevich
Alexander Baranov
Grigory Shelikhov
Nikolai Rezanov
Afanasy Nikitin
Demid Pyanda
Kurbat Ivanov
Ivan Moskvitin
Fedot Alekseyev Popov
Semyon Dezhnyov
Vladimir Atlasov
Mikhail Gvozdev
Ivan Krusenstern - german?
Ivan Fyodorov - there is an engineer (inventor) with the same name
Ivan Shuvalov
Stepan Malygin
Dmitry Ovtsyn
Khariton Laptev
Pyotr Beketov
Aleksei Chirikov
Ivan Ivanovich Bering / Vitus Jonassen Bering (Denmark/Russia)
Mikhail Lazarev late?

Great Engineers:
Postnik Yakovlev
Vasily Stasov
Ivan Fyodorov - there is a merchant (explorer) with the same name
Semyon Remezov
Alexander Kokorinov
Anton Fryazin / Antonio Gislardi - Italian, but active in Russia
Marco Fryazin / Marco Ruffo - Italian, but active in Russia
Aleviz Fryazin / Aloisio da Milano - Italian, but active in Russia
Vasili Yermolin

Great Generals:
Alexander Suvorov
Mikhail Kutuzov
Alexander Nevsky (Novgorod) - prophet?
Dmitry Donskoy - prophet?
Mstislav Mstislavich
Boris Sheremetev
Pyotr Saltykov
Alexei Grigoryevich Orlov
Dmitry Senyavin
Matvei Platov
Daniil Shchenya
Fyodor Matveyevich Apraksin
Stepan Fyodorovich Apraksin
Mikhail Vorotynsky
Mikhail Skopin-Shuisky
Kuzma Minin - merchant?
Dmitry Pozharsky
Vasily Vladimirovich Dolgorukov

Great Spies:
Abram Veselovsky
Andrey Razumovsky
Vasily Lukich Dolgorukov
Artamon Matveyev
Pyotr Andreyevich Tolstoy - spy?

Spoiler Great Theologians :

If there is no civ name in brackets then a person belongs to Muscovy only.

Spoiler Great Engineers :

Spoiler Great Artists :

Spoiler Great Scholars :

Spoiler Great Merchants :

Spoiler Great Generals :

Spoiler Great Spies :

caphyre · Apr 6, 2019

Also I've checked CIV4GameText_RFCE_GPNames.xml, and here's some comments:

Spoiler :

+ Ibn Khaldun (born in Tunis, but I think he may belong to any Arabic civ; 1332-1406): Great Scholar
+ Thabit ibn Qurra (Arabia, 826-901): Great Scholar

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AbsintheRed

Deity

702

Warlord

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Warlord

702

Warlord

AbsintheRed

Deity

702

Warlord

simplicissimus

Chieftain

Issos

Chieftain

ezzlar

Emperor

AbsintheRed

Deity

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Immortal

AbsintheRed

Deity

caphyre

Chieftain

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