Civ V Cracked Already

[jagdtigerciv]

Because

Option 1) Connecting steam account WAIT..


Option 2) Looks like your trying to start in offline mode.. YOU SURE BRO?? Okay... WAIT


So much for that 'you just gotta put up with steam when you install' BS

Hhahaha, I lol'd at "YOU SURE BRO??". This characterizes so much of CiV to date.

 

[HamTard]

It's like those alarms at the exits to stores or the guys that check receipts. They deter casual theft, but they don't catch the really dedicated.

The problem comes when otherwise honest users find the copy-protect so onerous they use the cracked version.

Do those people even exist? How many people actually buy the game, put it on a shelf, then play a cracked version? Most likely they just play a cracked version, do some moral grandstanding on the internet about the perils of DRM, while not actually paying for the game they're playing.

It had a record torrent download by the way 20,000 people were downloading it for 48 hours from a single seeder on Pirate Bay. Read those comments, it hilarious

It's hilarious that 20,000 people stole this game and didn't support the development of it? Theft of a luxury entertainment product is never morally justifiable.

So there ARE people who are not taking crap from the government after all

Phew, it's good to restore some of the faith in humanity.
Freedom of choice - you're either blindly spoonfeeding yourself with "weed is bad", "pirates are responsible for high prices of games, terrorism and starving children in Africa", or you think a bit and realize it's all smoke and mirrors.

Thank you cr0ws.

Everyone has the choice not to buy something if they don't want the product being sold. Stealing something you want but don't want to pay for isn't a right, that's just theft that people want to justify to themselves and others by making it sound like they're sticking it to the man.

There's a reason why it's called Warez...When the big man steps on the little man's toes, when rights are violated. If people wanted for free it would be called something like Free-ez.

Except nobody has a right to free luxury entertainment. However, they do have a right not to have their hard work stolen.

 

[epitaxial]

Do those people even exist? How many people actually buy the game, put it on a shelf, then play a cracked version? Most likely they just play a cracked version, do some moral grandstanding on the internet about the perils of DRM, while not actually paying for the game they're playing.

/raises hand depending upon the type of DRM. My PC is NOT a console and thus shouldn't require the DVD to be in the drive so I can play the game.

In ye old days - game wouldn't be put on the shelf - it would immediately be resold on ebay.

 

[HamTard]

We all know the game has been cracked and it is available "for free".
Patches and DLCs will be available for the pirates too... the DRM system is always the same so it would be easy to crack and release the upgrades. It depends on the willingness of the releasers to spend time to provide cracked updates.

I bought Civilization V because I am a great fan of the series and I wanted to support the developers. Buying the game meant to me to miss Babylon civ and to endure Steam*. The pirates have DLCs and don't have Steam. I support the developer but the pirates win.

* I don't like Steam for two reasons: it takes too long to start and an account cannot be simultaneously opened on two on-line PCs, i.e. I cannot play Civ V if my wife is playing Civ 4 in the other room. Better to make it optional.

I think you can put one of the PCs in Steam Offline Mode and that will allow you to work around that. Of course in Offline Mode you can't play multiplayer or patch the game, so remember to switch back to Online Mode to get patches.

 

[HamTard]

I cynically see Steam as an experiment that is eventually meant to lead to pay per play for games.
A per minute charge to play games.

Except that Steam has been out for 6 years, is free, and will always be free. Valve is a privately owned company so there is no pressure from shareholders to increase profits every quarter. Gabe Newell created Steam to revolutionize the PC gaming experience, not to get rich. He's repeatedly stated that they've declined several extremely lucrative offers to sell Steam because he doesn't want some publicly traded corporation ruining it. They've got plenty of money and every major publisher in the world (even Japanese console-centric publishers Capcom and Square Enix) have signed deals to distribute using Steam. Steam probably sells more PC games than any one of the major retailers (Gamestop, Walmart, Best Buy). Steam still sells less than the retailers combined, but it's not some little shop that is in danger of going bankrupt. Steam is several times larger than D2D (the next biggest digital store) even though D2D is owned by IGN (second largest gaming website behind Gamespot in terms of visitors) and can leverage IGN to get new customers.

Microsoft tried to make paid subscription online gaming with GFW LIVE and it failed. Microsoft was forced to drop the paid subscription for GFW LIVE because Steam offered better service and didn't charge a subscription. If anything, Steam is the reason that PC gaming didn't go paid subscription online gaming. Without something as big as Steam to challenge Microsoft, all the publishers probably would've signed on with GFW LIVE. Instead you see all the publishers who tried GFW LIVE switching to Steam because it's better for them and better for customers.

 

[Galacticat42]

@ HamTard
quadruple post? Try using edit, not as much clutter.

As for the subject matter, a wise programmer once said "It is impossible to have a program that is impossible to hack - all you can do is make it more tough and difficult for the hacker to do so."

 

[wickedcherub]

Do those people even exist? How many people actually buy the game, put it on a shelf, then play a cracked version? Most likely they just play a cracked version, do some moral grandstanding on the internet about the perils of DRM, while not actually paying for the game they're playing.

I've done this many times. Paid for a game, realised I can't play it without having the CD in my drive (or whatever other reason - like, install on the 3rd home computer), then downloaded a version to play. I don't feel particularly bad for doing it because I paid the stupid Australian prices for the game.

I admit I have in the past, downloaded a game first before going out and buying it, but *always* if I end up playing it more than twice I will go buy it.

This is the same for music. I have bought many many CDs and ended up downloading the mp3 for free just because it was easier to get on my PC or device that way rather than ripping it.

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[brento1138]

I fully admit to downloading the cracked version... that's cuz as of this moment, I'm downloading the legit version from Steam

I had a good reason though... Steam wouldn't let me download for a few days since I use a Canadian credit card and live in South Korea. So, after they finally reviewed my email saying "let me give you my money" I am finally downloading it (slow though, at 300-400 kbs). On the other hand, getting the cracked version, installing it, etc, was at high speed (over 2.5 megs per second) and easy to install. I absolutely COULD NOT wait the 3 days to play this game!! Heheh... knowing there was a crack out there.

But alas! Now I have the legal version. I think many people (esp. the people over the age of 20 I hope) buy the game, considering a mere $40 or $50 is not a whole lot to pay for endless hours of entertainment, and to support a game company I don't just love, but absolutely ADORE. Plus, the video game industry is a great place to work in, and the more money goes into that, the more jobs people like ME can get, instead of working at Wal-Mart or something...

So I believe in "try before you buy" ... just make sure you BUY!


I suppose it's almost as if I walked into a video rental store, stole the product, returned it after 3 days, and then purchased it from them. lol

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[solistus]

Same s**t, different game release.

Publisher: we're spending lots of money and probably delaying the game release to implement this amazing new copy protection technology. Piracy is a problem no more!

Crack community: *releases cracked game within days of retail launch, if not before*

Publisher:

Crack community:

Publisher: ...


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[Watiggi]

Why is this thread not locked?

 

[MarkJohnson]

A wise programmer once said "It is impossible to have a program that is impossible to hack - all you can do is make it more tough and difficult for the hacker to do so."

Or as my 100yo neighbor once told me when I was a kid about his house getting robbed, "Locks are for keeping honest people honest." If someone wants something bad enough, they will find a way to get it.

So I don't mind trivial copy protection as that will deter the crowd they are aiming for. Going further just alienates customers and cause loss of business.

besides, 90% of online theft is children who can't afford anything. People who can, generally will buy.

 

[HamTard]

I fully admit to downloading the cracked version... that's cuz as of this moment, I'm downloading the legit version from Steam

I had a good reason though... Steam wouldn't let me download for a few days since I use a Canadian credit card and live in South Korea. So, after they finally reviewed my email saying "let me give you my money" I am finally downloading it (slow though, at 300-400 kbs). On the other hand, getting the cracked version, installing it, etc, was at high speed (over 2.5 megs per second) and easy to install. I absolutely COULD NOT wait the 3 days to play this game!! Heheh... knowing there was a crack out there.

But alas! Now I have the legal version. I think many people (esp. the people over the age of 20 I hope) buy the game, considering a mere $40 or $50 is not a whole lot to pay for endless hours of entertainment, and to support a game company I don't just love, but absolutely ADORE. Plus, the video game industry is a great place to work in, and the more money goes into that, the more jobs people like ME can get, instead of working at Wal-Mart or something...

So I believe in "try before you buy" ... just make sure you BUY!

I suppose it's almost as if I walked into a video rental store, stole the product, returned it after 3 days, and then purchased it from them. lol

So are you going to play the Steam version from now on? South Korea is renowned for having excellent internet connections so that shouldn't be a problem.

 

[HamTard]

Same s**t, different game release.

Publisher: we're spending lots of money and probably delaying the game release to implement this amazing new copy protection technology. Piracy is a problem no more!

Crack community: *releases cracked game within days of retail launch, if not before*

Publisher:

Crack community:

Publisher: ...

Actually Steamworks is FREE. That's a huge part of why all the publishers are switching to Steamworks. Most publishers are publicly traded companies. Shareholders don't understand that DRM doesn't work, and demand that publishers use it. Publishers know that implementing DRM often wastes a lot of money, time and hurts profits. Steamworks is free, and also comes with value-add free features like the friends list, in-game overlay, and auto-patching. It's a no-brainer from the publisher standpoint to use Steam. They can tell their shareholders that they're using DRM but not have to pay for it or waste time making their own.

 

[Mivo]

I cynically see Steam as an experiment that is eventually meant to lead to pay per play for games.A per minute charge to play games.

That will not happen. As someone who has suffered through over a decade of "pay per minute" for online connections, and then years of "pay per MB", it's pretty obvious to me that the "pay per minute" concept is pretty much dead. You can't get people to accept that anymore.

Steam is of course trying to be "the" framework for DRM and "the" digital vendor for games (they already have a market share of 70%). They also offer the best features, so it's up to the competitors to catch up. (I buy games from GamersGate too, but Steam does have the better "complete" package - community features, updates, demos that can be turned into full versions without having to redownload everyhing, etc.)

 

[Maniacal]

Same s**t, different game release.

Publisher: we're spending lots of money and probably delaying the game release to implement this amazing new copy protection technology. Piracy is a problem no more!

Crack community: *releases cracked game within days of retail launch, if not before*

Publisher:

Crack community:

Publisher: ...

Steam is and was not chosen for stopping piracy.

Steam is of course trying to be "the" framework for DRM and "the" digital vendor for games (they already have a market share of 70%). They also offer the best features, so it's up to the competitors to catch up. (I buy games from GamersGate too, but Steam does have the better "complete" package - community features, updates, demos that can be turned into full versions without having to redownload everyhing, etc.)

You can add non-steam games shortcuts to Steam and launch them via steam, thereby allowing use of the ingame Steam Community.

If the ownership deal wasn't enough... I don't accept how steam would get between me and my games. Having to start up steam, and then only being able to play my game if steam determines all systems are go, is also something I do not accept. Nor do I accept steam determing when I patch my games. etc. There are alternative electronic distribution systems which do not hassle the user so.

You can disable steam autopatching a specific game (right click on it in Steam and go to preferences or something), I find that steam starts up pretty quickly and I just leave it running, but then again I live alone and don't share my computer. I can count the number of times steam has failed me on one hand, if even more than a finger. Nothing I really remember.

 

[Akka]

Steam is less about "protecting" from piracy and more about adding value (friends list, achievements, easier patching, cloud, etc), while minimizing (not removing, I surely recognize that) annoyance. Ubisoft

Much be why releasing Civ on Steam has been so controversial.
Maybe the "added value" is useless crap and the "minimal annoyance" is quite grating for a lot of people, in fact.

Steam is simply a useless layer of mandatory software that is added on your computer, restrict your use of a product, act as a spyware and trumps your rights.

 

[n0rdi]

Thats good. Let me say something about pirating... it takes one time, just one time to get a virus off those cracks then the people who download it will be furious. Scan it all they want even with the best anti virus and when it don't detect it, hopefully they dont have passwords or credit card information stored on their computer. You may not even know, after you run the crack, game loads right up but little do you know, 10,000 hackers now have your passwords or credit card info. There are a lot of silent viruses out there. Some stay on your comp and record every keystoke and can get around even the best anti viruses. A lot of these groups that put up the torrents, they are not just doing this so people have the game free, they want your information. Then, when patches start to be released, good luck patching the game. So if risking all of that is worth it to someone instead of paying $50 good luck to them in the future. I have assests and would never put my identity at risk for a $50 game, simple solution is to just buy it and be worry free.

sorry but this is only publisher propaganda
a college friend of mine , works (4free) for one of this "named" Groups ... cracking is like sport for them so belive in this what you wrote.
e.g. sure i bought civ5 as every civ before ... so pls dont whine me

 

[aguds]

Steam is our friend. It makes sure all the games are up to date, so you don't have to plow through the internet checking if there is a new patch to fix something you didn't even know was broken. It just quietly sits there besides the clock and keeps things in order.
A cornerstone if you like.
It also has a good deals, fast download and keeps track of in which game and servers your friends are, and you can join them with a click. Oh and it's free.

Really, I can not understand all the hate(and there always seem to be haters on every steam-discussion).

 

[mattavich]

I sometimes pirate games, just not the ones i like. In the past i've played pirated Civ games, but i always bought them afterwards. Civ 5 I preordered and it is the best of the series yet. I'm glad I did too, i will get the new patches as soon as they are released and it is nice knowing i bought the game somehow.

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[Ruzty]

Same s**t, different game release.

Publisher: we're spending lots of money and probably delaying the game release to implement this amazing new copy protection technology. Piracy is a problem no more!

Crack community: *releases cracked game within days of retail launch, if not before*

Publisher:

Crack community:

Publisher: ...

lol made my day with that one, so true. Exactly this situation at hand.