Civ7 now includes Denuvo

[Leyrann]

That seems fair enough. I doubt there's much of a market for Civ cheats.

I want Worldbuilder back to be honest.

Sometimes you just want to adjust something you don't like. Such as a long mountain chain without passes, an interaction that feels unfair, or heck, even just playing around with a super amazing start or something. Or checking the map generation to see if it's interesting to play on, rather than figuring it out after 100 turns.

 

[Kev1916]

And here is an interesting tidbit from the EULA of a game with Easy Anti-Cheat:


So why are we celebrating this Warhammer game? EAC gets installed on your computer, gets kernel access, and harvests personal data. And if you have the gall to ask them to remove or delete it, they can take the game away from you.

lol you worked for 2K? your worse than a dug in heat , sniffing about any "negative post " .

Moderator Action: This isn't civil or necessary. Please do not troll. leif

The point is Warhammer SM 2 which will be number one seller has confirmed No Denuvo and no in game cash drop , from what I can see on steam no interest or mention of EAC
( Denuvo gets a couple saying thank it's not in ) Sniff around all you like

"Thankfully, Space Marine 2 doesn’t have anything of the sort, so it won’t be subject to any possible Denuvo-related issues, at least on the PC version. Players can also enjoy the campaign in offline mode, but the game does use Easy Anti Cheat for all of its online features, and multiplayer modes."

However on CIV 7 Guess what is pinned and major concern's ---

save you the time Denvo and pricing, enjoy your night

 

[Dale]

and the first page of this thread is misleading.

You do realise I edited post #5 to clarify, right? There isn't anything misleading on the first page that I can see.

 

[dajt]

"Protect. Renew. Empower." LOL, that's some dystopian atmosphere. Are they actively trying to be the bad guys? They're clearly talking about publishers, not customers.

I cannot understand why anyone will pre-purchase Civ VII, and I've been playing since I. Pre-purchase just seems to reinforce bad behaviour in that a title can be something of a success even if it is trash. I was so hyped for 6 and it was such a letdown there is no way I'm buying VII until Denuvo is gone and it's <$20 AUD. I just don't think I'm going to enjoy it enough. I already have Humankind and don't like it. I just so wish they'd remake RRT I & Civ V with fixes, minor gameplay tweaks and major GFX overhauls

 

[Riconatic]

I cannot understand why anyone will pre-purchase Civ VII, and I've been playing since

Very simple answer. I prepurchase because I want the game. I am really really hyped about the game.

And facts are that Denuvo does nothing bad today. What it actually does for me is two things.
1. It causes performance drop. Performance drop in game like civ is neglible. So benefits for them as game maker vs effect to me -> no brainer.
2. Offline play gets tiny bit harder. Sometimes if denuvo token gets obsolete (hw changes in comp etc) it need to get internet access at game start. -> My steam has never been set to offline mode. -> no brainer.

Anything else, any what if scenario, are very uninteresting and very unlikely. And applicable to anything really.

 

[Kaan Boztepe]

i am still not sold on the idea that i need to install anti cheat software for a game that i will not play multiplayer. at least install the software after i click on multiplayer. also if you want to combat piracy the idea should be to emphasize to catch the pirate and not try to prevent it which has been if history taught us anything is impossible. what i see all those anticheat software do is collect all our personal information and sell it for additional profit

 

[Riconatic]

i am still not sold on the idea that i need to install anti cheat software for a game that i will not play multiplayer. at least install the software after i click on multiplayer. also if you want to combat piracy the idea should be to emphasize to catch the pirate and not try to prevent it which has been if history taught us anything is impossible. what i see all those anticheat software do is collect all our personal information and sell it for additional profit

You do not need to install anti-cheat software. You do not need to install anything other than the game. There is zero indication at this time that civ 7 has any anti-cheat. It does not need anti-cheat.

 

[Patine]

You do not need to install anti-cheat software. You do not need to install anything other than the game. There is zero indication at this time that civ 7 has any anti-cheat. It does not need anti-cheat.

Oh, sweet summer child. Welcome to world of big corporate computer game market (mal)practices as of recent years/

 

[Atlas627]

It is not Anti-cheat. It is a different product, called Anti-Tamper, which makes it difficult to crack the game. It has nothing to do with cheating while playing, which is why Anti-Cheat software need to look at and stop other applications on your device, which are doing the cheating while you play.

 

[user330977]

"Protect. Renew. Empower." LOL, that's some dystopian atmosphere. Are they actively trying to be the bad guys? They're clearly talking about publishers, not customers.

I cannot understand why anyone will pre-purchase Civ VII, and I've been playing since I. Pre-purchase just seems to reinforce bad behaviour in that a title can be something of a success even if it is trash. I was so hyped for 6 and it was such a letdown there is no way I'm buying VII until Denuvo is gone and it's <$20 AUD. I just don't think I'm going to enjoy it enough. I already have Humankind and don't like it. I just so wish they'd remake RRT I & Civ V with fixes, minor gameplay tweaks and major GFX overhauls

Preordering products emerged when there were limited stocks of physical items to actually order. People would preorder games to guarantee getting a copy within a reasonable time frame. Computer game shops often had delays restocking. It is completely and utterly pointless preordering digital products, and publishers and developers realise this. It's why they add trinkets and cosmetics to preorders, to trigger the sense of FOMO and actually make preorders in some way relevant.

Very simple answer. I prepurchase because I want the game. I am really really hyped about the game.

And facts are that Denuvo does nothing bad today. What it actually does for me is two things.
1. It causes performance drop. Performance drop in game like civ is neglible. So benefits for them as game maker vs effect to me -> no brainer.
2. Offline play gets tiny bit harder. Sometimes if denuvo token gets obsolete (hw changes in comp etc) it need to get internet access at game start. -> My steam has never been set to offline mode. -> no brainer.

Anything else, any what if scenario, are very uninteresting and very unlikely. And applicable to anything really.

This is one of the saddest "I'm OK that corporations inconvenience me" posts I've ever seen. You state that Denuvo offers you no drawbacks, then immediately list two ways it negatively affects you. Let me ask another question: what benefit does Denuvo confer to you?

You also have a complete disregard for other people. Not everyone's machines take Denuvo as well as yours apparently does, and not everyone can guarantee 100% access to the Internet. Nor should they have to.

 

[Riconatic]

This is one of the saddest "I'm OK that corporations inconvenience me" posts I've ever seen. You state that Denuvo offers you no drawbacks, then immediately list two ways it negatively effects you. Let me ask another question: what benefit does Denuvo confer to you?

I am not native english speaker so exact meaning of words can escape. But it is not inconvience if I do not even notice it ever.

As benefits. I think this thread has explained it many times. It does not have direct benefits for me. I have to weight benefits for game maker against effects on me. Which I already said there.

If you are asking benefits for the game maker, they certainly are covered already. But in very short: Best anti-piracy tool out there.

 

[user330977]

I am not native english speaker so exact meaning of words can escape. But it is not inconvience if I do not even notice it ever.

As benefits. I think this thread has explained it many times. It does not have direct benefits for me. I have to weight benefits for game maker against effects on me. Which I already said there.

If you are asking benefits for the game maker, they certainly are covered already. But in very short: Best anti-piracy tool out there.

So it doesn't give any benefits to you, it may provide drawbacks to you, and its usage as an anti-piracy tool is shaky at best. Games are cracked often within days. I implore you to reconsider your position.

 

[Riconatic]

So it doesn't give any benefits to you, it may provide drawbacks to you, and its usage as an anti-piracy tool is shaky at best. Games are cracked often within days. I implore you to reconsider your position.

You are gravely mistaken in your facts again.

I said it does not provide direct benefits. But of course less piracy provides huge amounts of indirect benefits for me. However in contex of this thread I have zero interest discussing benefits of less piracy to me.

Then the other thing. Already present in this thread posted earlier.
Not a single 2024 denuvo game has ever been cracked. Only handful of 2023 denuvo games have been cracked. Statement ”Games are cracked often within days.” has absolutely no relevance when we discuss piracy prevention in context of civ 7 using denuvo. Denuvo is most effective there is and very effective today.

Note all denuvo comments should be read ”Denuvo anti-tamper”. Denuvo anti-cheat is different tool for different purpose not under discussion here.

 

[user330977]

You are gravely mistaken in your facts again.

I said it does not provide direct benefits. But of course less piracy provides huge amounts of indirect benefits for me. However in contex of this thread I have zero interest discussing benefits of less piracy to me.

Then the other thing. Already present in this thread posted earlier.
Not a single 2024 denuvo game has ever been cracked. Only handful of 2023 denuvo games have been cracked. Statement ”Games are cracked often within days.” has absolutely no relevance when we discuss piracy prevention in context of civ 7 using denuvo. Denuvo is most effective there is and very effective today.

Note all denuvo comments should be read ”Denuvo anti-tamper”. Denuvo anti-cheat is different tool for different purpose not under discussion here.

What benefits? Plenty of games forego software like Denuvo and they function just fine. They don't increase their prices to offset the profits projected lost by piracy. Denuvo is a net negative for you. Firaxis are adding this software because they disrespect you as a consumer and don't trust you.
Please don't post inflammatory remakes like "you are gravely mistaken in your facts" and the refuse to elaborate.

 

[Riconatic]

What benefits? Plenty of games forego software like Denuvo and they function just fine. They don't increase their prices to offset the profits projected lost by piracy. Denuvo is a net negative for you. Firaxis are adding this software because they disrespect you as a consumer and don't trust you.
Please don't post inflammatory remakes like "you are gravely mistaken in your facts" and the refuse to elaborate.

This thread is not about ”how piracy effects gaming industry”. So no. I won’t go there.

And I did tell you how your facts were wrong. You made false statement about effectiveness of denuvo anti-tamper against distibuting cracked version of games. How I can more elaborate this?

There is nothing negative for me that I can notice in daily playing. You keep saying this, but can not give single tangible thing. Just some nonsense disrespect and trust issues that do not manifest themselvesm in any shape or form when I press steam play button.

 

[user330977]

And I did tell you how your facts were wrong.

You are gravely mistaken in your facts again.

Whatever. You've been given multiple examples of how Denuvo is a negative but choose to ignore them, and utterly refuse to consider the impacts on other people. If you think disrespect and trust are "nonsense" issues, I pity you. This conversation will go no further.

 

[Solver]

Firaxis are adding this software because they disrespect you as a consumer and don't trust you.

This sort of decision is made by the publisher, not the game studio.

 

[user330977]

Apologies, I misspoke. 2K Games disrespects you!

 

[Kev1916]

This sort of decision is made by the publisher, not the game studio.

Red Shell , any one?

Firaxis Games and 2K made no direct acknowledgement of the controversy and offered no apology

 

[Patine]

Red Shell , any one?

Firaxis Games and 2K made no direct acknowledgement of the controversy and offered no apology

"Feature, not bug," as Steve Jobs used to infamouslly say.