Civ7 now includes Denuvo

[AtlanteanLord]

Is there a source for this claim? I don’t think there’s any public data on this.

There isn’t, but it’s logical. Gaming is a luxury everywhere but specially outside “the 1st world” where it can be very prohibitive (and/or impossible). Playing a pirated games makes updating, modding, mp and even installing/uninstalling more difficult so most people who can pay the game will for the sake of commodity. The majority of pirates are people who resort to pirating because they “need” to (i mean gaming is a hobby so you don’t really need it, but you get it) and won’t get jailed/fined for ie torrentin. Blocking the game in most cases won’t make them buy the game, just try wait it out because again, it’s mostly because of money. IE: in my homecountry, the standard wage is $120 monthly, a game costs $60, you do the math yourself.

I wish they actually widely studied this out, because the cost/benefit would probably end up being negative towards Denuvo.

In any case, i lowkey hope Firaxis is at least getting you a free game out of this because defending a company for this is way too silly. But each to their own

 

[pokiehl]

There isn’t, but it’s logical

Well logically to me, it seems the complete other way. I think that shows we can’t make these statements so confidently either way.

 

[AtlanteanLord]

Well logically to me, it seems the complete other way. I think that shows we can’t make these statements so confidently either way.

So you think the majority of people earning $120 monthly are likely going to buy a $60/$70/$80 etc game? Some will ofc but yikes. Well unchecked privilege sure is a wonderful experience.

Once again, hope you at least get a free copy out of this

Moderator Action: Please stop the accusations. leif

 

[ombak]

There isn’t, but it’s logical. ...

I wish they actually widely studied this out, because the cost/benefit would probably end up being negative towards Denuvo.

It's logical to me too mostly for the same reasons it is to you. I grew up in a country where games, particularly AAA PC games, weren't easy to buy. My grandparents were American though and my family was well enough off that we could travel to the US regularly, so I would buy here when we did.

Things changed slowly though. Before I went to college a shop that imported games popped up at a fancy shopping mall. (I ended up buying Quest for Glory IV: Shadows of Darkness locally, which was remarkable.) After that, the market expanded a lot and accessibility improved, but more recently disproportionate price increases have made it less accessible again (previously some companies would price games for the local market, now they just price them proportionally to US prices and games cost a much more significant amount of the average person's wage). But I live in the US now, so that's a different world to me.

Ultimately, I would rather know for sure than to have to speculate. Like you I also wish there were actual real data. I might doubt their numbers or claims and I certainly think there's no incentive to produce a study that points out how many pirated copies would NOT be converted into sales due to the users' location, income, product accessibility etc. On the other hand, I don't have much insight into other pirating types or communities, so I can't simply dismiss that side of the equation. And I don't know what numbers and data corporations actually have, so whether I doubt their claims is largely irrelevant unless that information becomes available to me.

Ultimately I'm the type that can afford to buy games now (even pre-order when I know I will play for hours) and will only have a problem with a DRM if I personally get burned, which I haven't yet. To me the ickiest thing in this whole story is the delay in revealing the information. Even if it's only a few days after pre-orders begin, out of a months-long window, and even if it doesn't affect my pre-order (in this case because I haven't yet, but I might have if I hadn't just paid for a cross-country move), I would rather see all that information out on day one.

 

[leif erikson]

Moderator Action: No one is getting a free copy of anything here. Please stop making allegations. This site has a zero tolerance policy on using, distributing or discussing pirated software. It is time to bring this conversation back to providing information on denuvo so players can decide whether they wish to purchase Civ7 or not.

 

[Lazy sweeper]

But GOG can do the same thing without the DRM.

Exactly, and also, has a LOT of games, even recent ones, like Verne shape of fantasy, that was also ported on the Switch,,
which has windows 7 as minimum requirement. Both versions costs 7.49 as of now. Only Steam comes with the ridiculous
disclaimer that win 7 is unsupported....

 

[Zoeff]

From this article:

To get around that mistrust, Huin said Irdeto is working on a program that would provide two nearly identical versions of a game to trusted media outlets: one with Denuvo protection and one without. After that program rolls out, hopefully sometime in the next few months, Huin hopes independent benchmarks will allow the tech press to "see for yourself that the performance is comparable, identical... and that would provide something that would hopefully be trusted by the community."

This is from over a year ago, does anybody know if Irdeto ever did this? Or did they just pretend they never said this.

 

[Dale]

From this article:


This is from over a year ago, does anybody know if Irdeto ever did this? Or did they just pretend they never said this.

Bolded the answer for you.

 

[coolhandluke11]

Very wrong. Denuvo anti-tamper drm does not have kind of ”special” access to your system. It is even impossible. It runs in user space as part of the game executable operating only towards game code.

Saying what you said doesnt make it real kid, i know what privileges can be had from DRM software and i assure you its legal microsoft approved spyware. i would never allow a third party to run any software on any of my servers or pc,s.
im all for anti piracy but not at the cost of my families privacy.

 

[Leyrann]

Saying what you said doesnt make it real kid, i know what privileges can be had from DRM software and i assure you its legal microsoft approved spyware. i would never allow a third party to run any software on any of my servers or pc,s.
im all for anti piracy but not at the cost of my families privacy.

Got a source for that claim?

Because my current understanding is that Denuvo Anti-Tamper (not to be confused with Denuvo Anti-Cheat, which does have a ridiculous level of access) is contained within the .exe of the application, and not even a separate program let alone a program that can access things you don't want it to be able to access.

 

[Riconatic]

Saying what you said doesnt make it real kid, i know what privileges can be had from DRM software and i assure you its legal microsoft approved spyware. i would never allow a third party to run any software on any of my servers or pc,s.
im all for anti piracy but not at the cost of my families privacy.

Calling me kid does not change any facts either.

You story about microsoft approved spyware, third party software etc is just a story. Zero evidence.

 

[Gedemon]

Saying what you said doesnt make it real kid, i know what privileges can be had from DRM software and i assure you its legal microsoft approved spyware. i would never allow a third party to run any software on any of my servers or pc,s.
im all for anti piracy but not at the cost of my families privacy.

you will need to back that claim with some serious sources.

 

[Vitruvian Guar]

I'm pretty neutral on denuvo inclusion, but I do wonder, does it even help with preventing piracy that much?

Are there any games that included Denuvo and, therefore, have never been published on torrents? Or is it just about postponing the time before the pirate version of the game is available?

 

[Riconatic]

I'm pretty neutral on denuvo inclusion, but I do wonder, does it even help with preventing piracy that much?

Are there any games that included Denuvo and, therefore, have never been published on torrents? Or is it just about postponing the time before the pirate version of the game is available?

Already established fact in this forum I believe is that there is tens and tens of games starting somewhere from 2018 with denuvo which do not have cracks.
I did not check status today, but fifa 20, I believe, is famous example of not cracked denuvo game and that released 27.09.2019.

 

[Siptah]

Honest question: are the people that are careful with denuvo because of potential harms similarly carful with other potential harms, e.g., never connecting to free/hotel/airport wifi, not installing free games/apps on your phone, and not opening any documents (online or not) that contain macros?

 

[Gedemon]

Honest question: are the people that are careful with denuvo because of potential harms similarly carful with other potential harms, e.g., never connecting to free/hotel/airport wifi, not installing free games/apps on your phone, and not opening any documents (online or not) that contain macros?

I think that knowing it can't do that kind of harm is telling I'm more careful

 

[Dale]

Honest question: are the people that are careful with denuvo because of potential harms similarly carful with other potential harms, e.g., never connecting to free/hotel/airport wifi, not installing free games/apps on your phone, and not opening any documents (online or not) that contain macros?

Yes. But with consideration. Some things you mention don't have anywhere near the same level of risk as some other things.

When it comes to my PC, I am very careful to evaluate risk. My PC is also my work PC, so I am careful. Denuvo say things, but refuse to publish or detail answers to questions. They are also the same people who brought us SecureROM. IMO, Denuvo lack trust and increase risk to my work PC. So it does not get onto my PC.

 

[Vitruvian Guar]

Already established fact in this forum I believe is that there is tens and tens of games starting somewhere from 2018 with denuvo which do not have cracks.
I did not check status today, but fifa 20, I believe, is famous example of not cracked denuvo game and that released 27.09.2019.

Thanks!
I'll be very surprised if CIv7 is not cracked by the end of 2025, but it's good to know that there are some examples of the games that were not cracked at all.

 

[Leyrann]

Thanks!
I'll be very surprised if CIv7 is not cracked by the end of 2025, but it's good to know that there are some examples of the games that were not cracked at all.

Honestly, I'd say games with Fifa are probably more likely to be targeted for cracking than Civilization, as they're far bigger. If Fifa doesn't get cracked, there's a good chance Civ won't get cracked either.

 

[Vitruvian Guar]

Honestly, I'd say games with Fifa are probably more likely to be targeted for cracking than Civilization, as they're far bigger. If Fifa doesn't get cracked, there's a good chance Civ won't get cracked either.

It's quite probable that I'm doing the typical mind fallacy here, as I am absolutely uninterested in Fifa games and consider them a weird niche, while I like Civilization and consider it to be a staple of the whole genre. We'll see in a about a year how it goes.