Civilization: Dawn of Man

[filli_noctus]

...we shall construct a great monument to demonstrate the greatness of our people...

If you actually paid attention you would not look so foolish.

As has been pointed out to you the value of the monument is not in the tangible goods that it cannot provide but what it represents, the bonds of brotherhood that hold all Morrocans together. Whenever one of our people feels alone he will be able to know that he is one of our tribe and that we will support him because he is one of us. Although we disagree severely over the direction this tribe must take, I will defend you to the death against an outsider because you are like me. That is what the monument will stand for and why it will bring our people closer together to forge a stronger tribe.

We shall recruit some labourers in the future, but only once the tribe has grown. Of course if the warriors should come across people from another tribe enslaved by barbarians they may be set to work for us as payment for their release.

 

[christos200]

I, Linghu Chong, believe that in order for us to move forward, we need to construct a monument which shall appease the Gods and assure that they help and protect us. Our Chief is pious and knows this and that's why he wanted to build this Monument. Not to say that it will represent the glory of our people. Thousands of years later, when we all would have died, this monument would be a testament to our great civilization.

 

[Jehoshua]

If you actually paid attention you would not look so foolish.

As has been pointed out to you the value of the monument is not in the tangible goods that it cannot provide but what it represents, the bonds of brotherhood that hold all Morrocans together. Whenever one of our people feels alone he will be able to know that he is one of our tribe and that we will support him because he is one of us. Although we disagree severely over the direction this tribe must take, I will defend you to the death against an outsider because you are like me. That is what the monument will stand for and why it will bring our people closer together to forge a stronger tribe.

We shall recruit some labourers in the future, but only once the tribe has grown. Of course if the warriors should come across people from another tribe enslaved by barbarians they may be set to work for us as payment for their release.

So demonstrating the greatness of our people is the same as honouring the memory of the ancestors? It seems that for the sake of this argument you have changed your reason and switched back, and it is certainly true that you have dispensed with your original intention with regards to training scouts immediately after the monument given your agreement with the majority of the tribe that a shrine is of far more importance. At any rate I note that you are a) conveniently putting aside what I have said regarding your celebration (since it is obviously true that you gave no reason for it until prompted) b) failing to address the flaws I pointed out in your shrine contingency should the monument not be complete by the time the wise man completes his ponderings and c) completely dropping your accusation that my counter-proposal would harm our tribes prosperity, indeed you tacitly cede the point that a monument does not achieve that aim any more or less than a warrior unit does. Saying that however the core difference here is not regarding the momument specifically, that is just a minor disagreement on policy and I would hardly be one to call it a "threat to our childrens prosperity" nor even improper when it comes to honouring the ancestors. But rather a) your lack of transparent conduct as evidenced particularly in the fact you needed to be pushed to give a reason for the celebration and b) the necessity to balance the need to get a shrine as soon as possible with establishing the security necessary to facilitate future development. It is this last reason why oppose constructing a monument now, when our focus should be on necessities such as security, divine favour and labourers to improve the land (our population certainly will have grown by the time a warriors and a shrine are complete) before we consider any aggrandisement of our own greatness through a monument.

At any rate, I approve of any plan to liberate enslaved labourers from savages should such be found.

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Let us all ask ourselves who are we, who is anybody to question the most wise chief, favored of the Fire God? Especially a newcomer in this tribe, not even among his trusted, struts among us and lectures us of how our chief betrays us, and how is he so more the wiser. How could anyone take this man seriously?

Most certainly the chief is wiser than you, for despite our disagreement over policy and our personal dispute over his conduct in instituting his celebration he is not fool enough to mistake simple disagreement with betrayal. Likewise he isn't stupid enough to accuse me of calling him a traitor to the people or attempting to usurp his rule considering the notable absence of any accusation of treason or utterance calling for his removal or even implying it on my part. Indeed such a thing would be chimerical and quite absurd given the fact the chief was chosen by the tribe with near unanimity. What I have (putting aside our impersonal policy differences, which I am quite entitled to have with the chief unless of course we are all forbidden from having opinions opposed to the chief) called him out on then is firstly the need to be accountable to the tribe which put him in a position to rule over it which one would think is quite reasonable and secondly the need to govern with clear good conduct. You could say as well that I have called him out for being disingenuous in his dispute with me, but that's tangential to the point regarding accountability to the tribe.

Obsequious grovelling at any rate is rather unseemly. The chief is a man like any other and making absurd accusations to me in a bid to curry favour does little to serve the good of the people, or for that matter the chief (who as our leader merits criticism, lest he fall into hubris and in order to ensure the best out of his reign. Indeed it is popular criticism which compelled him to alter his original plan for training scouts after his monument project to facilitate the construction of a shrine. Something the majority of the tribes leaders agree is superior policy). I would also note that your appeal to the chiefs "trusted" and attempt to de-legitimise opinions from beyond the chief or those he has appointed to various positions would, if your mentality is adopted, ill serve the tribe, and as it is would if the chief is of the same mind damage the bond of mutual obligations between the ruler and the ruled.

Do you really believe that he would have us never build a monument?

Quite so, there is a time and a place for a monument, and I don't think it is now. Such a thing is best left to when the essential of security, and the bases of our future prosperity are established. Indeed one would think a monument to our greatness would be much more appropriate at such a time, as a celebration of our peoples labours. Likewise with regards to Tambiens point, my criticism with regard to a monument and prosperity was that the concept with discordant with the chiefs implication that it built our prosperity and rendered his accusation that training warriors now would risk future prosperity rather hollow, all things considered.

 

[Et_Absoluti]

Brothers, I advise that we do not let our tongues get to venomous, or words to heated. For we are Moroccans, and as the chief said I would fight to the death for any of you. The people of Morocco are very lucky, for while other leaders discuss how to bring glory for themselves we discuss how to bring glory to the people!! Truly Moroccans are a great and virtuous people.

OOC:I assume we are some form of minor nobles and not just peasants. If I assume we are at least community leaders.

 

[PortugalPower]

I support the chief Tarik Isthvia in his decision to build a monument. In response to your blatant attacks upon members of the tribe that have been here longer than you and are possibly wiser than you, if you do not apologize for your insults and seeding of strife, I shall have to denounce you for the good of the tribe. It is not because I am rash that I make this decision, it is because I believe that the tribe should not be swayed by a person with no respect for other members of it, or even a chief elected to lead the people. It is despicable.

You say that the members of the tribe are entitled to have their opinions, yet when Mathias Iraxi believes that you are making claims that you have no knowledge to make with, you strike him down, calling him idiotic and attempting to "curry favor". You also say that he is attempting to de- legitimize opinions beyond the chief, while you are attempting to de-legitimize opinions that are not your own.

I shall now address some of the things that you have said that the chief is doing, in your words they are: "a) convienently putting aside what I have said about the celebration" "b) failing to address the flaws I pointed out in your shrine contingency should the monument not be complete by the time the wise man completes his ponderings" and "c) completely dropping your accusation that my counter-proposal would harm our tribes prosperity, indeed you tacitly cede the point that a monument does not achieve that aim any more or less than a warrior unit does."

In response to a) I believe that the reason the chief did not give a reason as to why he organized a celebration is because he was not asked for one. When he was asked he gave a reasonable answer for why he organized the celebration. Frankly, scandalously accusing the chief of organizing a celebration for his own glory without any evidence or previous dialogue is both rash and disrespectful.

In regards to your second point, b) perhaps the chief has not thought of a way to solve the problem. If so then I shall recommend that if we do go ahead with construction on the monument (as most likely) then I would recommend to first finish the monument then start work on the shrine. As isn't honoring our ancestors quite the same as worshipping the gods? After all, it was our ancestor, Murak, who first agreed to follow the Fire Gods glorious light. He is the one who first showed us the way of the gods.

In response to your third point, c) maybe the chief has not dropped his accusation. Perhaps he has just chosen not to talk about it in his discussion. Unless you have a statement that explicitly says that he has dropped his accusation you may not make this claim. Even if he did issue such a statement is it wrong for him to have changed his mind? You talk about freedom of opinion, yet you are tyrannical in your statements.

Before you suggest that I am also trying to "curry favor", please remember that I opposed Tarik Isthvia in the election for chief. In my argument I am not giving him total praise, I suggested that perhaps he had not thought of a solution to what happens if the wise man finishes his ponderings before the monument is built.

I do hope that you refrain from being so foolish in the future. Please, withdraw your disrespectful comments about the other members of this tribe and I shall have no bone to pick with you. It pains me to fight with you as we are tribe members together as the chief has said.

OOC: Counter-Pointing makes my brain hurt.

 

[Jehoshua]

I will neither apologise for, nor recant, my positions. Needless to say your threat to denounce me if I don't do so is a bluntly obvious attempt to shut down legitimate political debate, an amateur rhetorical tactic. Needless to say your assertions contained therein that I have no respect for tribesmen are absurd, considering I have (and it is clear to all who have observed my debate with the chief or my defence of Marik Salim) limited my opposition to objections to the policy, and to the political implications of the same, unlike for example Mathias Iraxi who felt the need to personally attack me rather than refute, or even address my points.

Speaking of Mathias Iraxi, I accussed him of delegitimising opinions beyond the chief and his "trusted" (as Mathias put it). Ergo I pointed out that his objection to my position, which was based solely on the fact I am not in the chiefs inner circle rather than on any actual refutation of my points was not only disingenuous, but dangerous in the mentality it represented. This being because there exist mutual obligations between chief and people, which if broken by hubris of the kind Mathias expressed, would lead our people only to chaos and ruination as order breaks down. Hence why I criticised the chief and called him to account before his actions based on reasoned objections to his policy positions and observably valid points regarding the political implications of the same. This does not constitute a delegitimisation of opinions other than my own but rather the parameters of legitimate debate. If community leaders that for whatever reason lack the chiefs favour, and indeed the commons themselves, cannot contest the decrees of the chief based on reasoned objections, than Morocco risks tyranny. The chief (hence the fact we have a debate) I presume understands this even if his advisors do not.

With regards to the chiefs actual policy then, the fact he did not give a reason before he was pushed to do so by me simply shows a possible oversight of the chief, and likewise shows the validity of my points regarding accountability. Likewise given the circumstances of his decision (coinciding with the building of a monument, and his ascension) my point regarding the political implications of his act (intended or not) remains valid through evidence of reason.

With regards to the inefficiency problem of the chiefs plan (vis a vis a monument being stopped in favour of a shrine in the circumstance a shrine can be build before the monument is completed) he made this policy decision in the midst of our debate, and had ample opportunity to provide a resolution to the problem seeing as I immediately pointed it out. He did not do so.

With regards then to his accusation that my counterproposal would actually cause harm to our future prosperity, if he has in fact retained that objection then his failure to push the point can only be because our chief knows that he cannot show that his own proposal would in any way be superior to mine to that end. Indeed considering mine would at the very least ensure the security of our lands from interlopers while our warriors are abroad, in a practical sense my position is superior to it. Either way, since I maintain an opinion of the chief as an intelligent man, I think he conceded that his point was unsubstantiated and could not be grounded with evidence or reason. Call this "tyranny" on my part if you will, but as I said before logical and reasoned objections, and contestation on policy constitute the grounds of legitimate debate (debate engaged in to develop superior policy, as evidenced on the adoption of the shrine position by the chief in favour of his original plan to train scouts after the completion of the monument) which if forbidden or shut down, as certain persons desire, would only lead to unaccountability on the part of the ruler, given particularly that he rules not by divine institution but by the agreement of our communities representatives (as you yourself are obviously aware, given you opposed his election originally)

Finally, I do not accuse you of sycophancy of the kind displayed by Mathias Iraxi. That you do not stoop to such lows and instead attempt to argue to the policy positions befits you. That said I understand you might consider it prudent to defend the chiefs position given your previous political opposition to him and I must say that the vulgar threats you made in an attempt to shut down the debate by implied force are crass and quite improper.

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ooc: It should do, given that the whole point of this debate was to see how everyone reacted. Tambien clearly is a fence sitter, Absoluti is interested in serenity and silverman I would gather wants to be in the chiefs good graces. The silent ones are holding their cards close or just haven't felt the need to get involved. The actual difference of opinion on the matter of a monument is extremely minor in and of itself.

 

[Et_Absoluti]

OOC: Right as always, I don't see the point in conflict this early, It only serves to weaken our fatherland, glorious Morocco.

 

[Jehoshua]

ooc: my good sir, this is not conflict. You'll know we have that when blood starts flowing in the streets. Neither of us, nor filli, would want that I would think seeing as it is always such a right mess to clean up. That said one must remember that the point of the game is expanding ones individual power rating, hence probing the political situation is useful early on.

 

[filli_noctus]

ooc: Quite so my esteemed adversary. For is it not said "it's not about winning or losing so long as I win"?

IC:
The the honour of our ancestors and founder is the greater part of the greatness of our people. As to the celebration I did not explain what it was for because it is obvious to all what it was in honour of, we have only been settled a year and are already bringing in abundant food and that is worthy of feasting and celebration.

If the monument is not complete before the wise man has finished we will wait until it is complete because the effort wasted by allowing it decay unfinished will displease the gods.

There is no 'tacity ceding' of any point. The warriors you propose will pull the best of our youth away from tending our crops and hunting the beasts of the desert when there is no present threat to require that, the monument can be worked on between other labours whereas warriors patrolling for enemies cannot return to grow or hunt. That is why our prosperity will be endagered in addition to the intangible benefits the monument will provide.

 

[Jehoshua]

The land has always sustained the people and the people have always acknowledged that, to personally fund a particular celebration out of state and personal expense now with no explanation can hardly be said to have a self-evident explanation. Likewise my point regarding accountability between ruler and ruled particularly in light of certain statements from persons in your retinue remain clearly valid.

It is good that you have ditched your inefficient contingency plan in light of me pointing out its failings. We may disagree but the ability to rectify obvious errors in judgement shows that you are not possessed of the mortal failing of hubris.

You know as well as anyone that what you are saying about the risk of reduced harvest should we train a warrior troop is utter falsehood. Firstly a warrior division hardly constitutes the withdrawal of the majority of the labour force, secondly the men and women of the people do not plant or harvest crops all the time, the planting and the harvest do not come around every day of the week and most of the rest of the year is open for service by the men of the community and thirdly the land is abundant. All these factors mean, particularly with population growth, that having a portion of the male population serve in a new military division will do no harm to our agricultural input, which as you yourself say is abundant.

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ooc: the game mechanics favour me on the matter of crops. Our input will inevitably increase with population growth

 

[filli_noctus]

Not this land though. And your point about accountability is invalidated by the fact I have no 'personal retinue', those who support me do so because they have weighed the arguments and found yours lacking, I have not asked anyone to make statements to back my decisions and I would have no respect for anyone who would make such statements purely to curry favour. Regardless, the people do not need to know the reason for every decision, but I am happy to provide one if asked.

There never was a plan to cease construction on the monument once we have the knowledge to construct an adequate shrine, I can only assume you are becoming confused with my comments regarding the training of scouts that could be put on hold for constructing a shrine which would only have minimal efficiency losses whilst postponed.

I did not say the majority, I said the best and they would have to roam far to find barbarians to destroy - there is no guarantee they would return to help with the tilling, sowing or harvest.

ooc: You can't ignore game mechanics on the point of the monument and base on argument on them regarding the warriors/harvest

 

[Jehoshua]

On the contrary, the river valley is fertile, and the hills productive. Likewise whether you like it or not, those who chose to congregate around your person for reasons of your position form a retinue, such is the lot of one in your position. Whether said persons support you for reasons of logic, or for the more visceral reason of desiring connection with power is beyond the ken of this discussion.

With regards to the decision you now deny to establish a contingency of ceasing construction of a monument in favour of a shrine in certain circumstances. May I repeat to you your own words which are a matter of public record.

"If Raz Piye learns to consecrate the river mud with the spirit of the God of Fire before the monument is complete we will immediately use his work to create a shrine to the Gods"

Your assertion that you had no inefficient contingency plan to cease monument construction in certain circumstances is thus obviously mistaken.

And yet should not the best be the ones who nobly serve at the vanguard of Moroccan power, and in the defence of its people? It does not take the most physically able to till the fields of reap the crops, even if the farmer is the most essential role amongst all the people for upon his labours the efforts of others in more specialised roles become possible.

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ooc: I didn't ignore the game mechanic regarding monuments, I simply discounted the ostensible benefits validity and argued to the merits of my own favoured path in the field of prosperity and security. Culture is intangible (the npc people can't touch or see it directly) even if it has in-game effects, unlike for example a battalion of trained warriors or increased prosperity. The +2 culture would be good, but not imperative considering we lack immediate rivals on our border and considering we are likely to gain tradition as our first policy (which would give us an immediate +3 culture in the capital)

 

[filli_noctus]

ooc: Bugger, did I really say that? (Well, obviously I did). That's what child induced sleep deprivation does to a man.

IC: Well, with construction of the monument already begun and this discussion rapidly becoming circular I think now would be time to look further into the future. I wish to hear the people's thoughts on what should be constructed after the shrine.

 

[Magnive]

OOC: Alternatively, Jehoshua, some of us live in timezones that are somewhat inconvenient for the purposes of partaking in a debate, or we don't want to take the time required to make a proper post.

 

[Tambien]

OOC: I'm not sitting on the fence, I rather clearly supported the Chief in this. I just don't like throwing personal insults (that aren't well disguised)

 

[christos200]

OOC: I have learned that kissing the Chief's/King's/whatever ass is the best way to gain power. So, my positition on the dispute is clear.

 

[Jehoshua]

ooc: at least you're honest christos

 

[OnceAKing]

OOC: Are we only going to see updates on the map and screenshots during game play on UPDATES, or can we get a picture or 2 of what's going on in the days in between UPDATES?
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OOC: So my computer isn't letting me play Civ right now and I'm incredibly bored. So I wrote something casual that isn't meant to be an action in the game. Its a story written from the perspective of an NPC in our city. I wrote it and thought of it just to flesh out the setting and create an interesting universe. It's not really meant to be treated as a founding myth but its a fun way to look at how this society would act. Feel free to skip it when this update comes or because it's entirely too long a story

Spoiler :

The First Warrior

“I could punch him in the side of his skull to knock him off balance, or hit him straight in the nose like my father taught me.....”

“Your father is stupid! Your father is dumb Mehdi!” Omar was leading a group of boys who found no greater pleasure then making me prey. Every time I was sent for water, these boys would follow like bugs, picking and feeding off me. My father would say that even a fox doesn't bother with flies. But then again, no one ever talked ill of him in his presence.

“Why do you all treat him like this, you don't even know him?” A pleasant voice came from just behind us. We all wheeled around to see a slender young woman named Zohra. She had a skin complexion slightly darker then the sands we walked on and beautiful black hair that seemed endless and soft. I almost caught myself reaching out to feel it fall through my finger tips, but I knew better.

“You hear what father says about Mehdi's dad!” Omar was speaking to his sister Zohra. “He says he's crazy! That he believes in barbarians! That he skips hunts with the other men and work in the fields to train to beat things that only exist in stories and old folklore!” “Do you think he would want his words spoken openly Omar?” “Come home, lets see if he finds what you said so funny when we get back!” And like a flash Zohra and her brothers were gone.

I walked along the river staring at the sands below my feet feeling the blood pulsate through me like a flood in the river. How dare his father speak that way? Does he not know my father can hunt alone with no help from all the others? Does he not know he can catch the fish in the waters, catch the snakes in the sand and kill the beasts that prowl at night? Finally, I calmed down as I neared our home and saw my father outside swing his club repeatedly as if he were possessed.

As I walked up to him, I could see the sweat drip from his brow and down to his long dark beard. My father hadn't cut it since his 10 day journey in the desert as a boy. His shoulders seemed to be as wide as the river itself and his chest would swell like a fire when he inhaled. His name was Nasire and he was one of the largest men in the village. I knew better then to interrupt his training so I walked past him and into our home. I couldn't keep the sound of Omar's voice out of my head. Why must the other men treat our family any different? We all lived on the outskirts of town. We were the common people, as they were called, whose ancestors were the second to find Murak's home. The nobility traced there lineage to the first group of ancestors to find Murak playing with his children. We all get along and mingle together but the noble families lived closer in the center of town and often passed down stories and knowledge that seldom was shared with us. We all, however, knew the story of Murak's travel through the unknown sands to find our home. We all knew of the barbarians that destroyed the family he once knew.

Somehow the common people came to dismiss aspects of the stories as mere ghost tales. That all the tales weren't literal and weren't meant to be taken so seriously. All that we should learn from it, they contend, is that we must trust the God of Fire and respect our home in the desert. Tales of barbarians were looked at by commoners as mere stories to scare the children at night and keep them from wandering too far into the deserts by themselves. My father knew the same knowledge that the nobility knew. He knew that the stories of the barbarians were very real and that they could one day attack us, just as they attacked Murak's first family. I would ask, as my voice cracked with doubt, “why would all the others claim the stories weren't true.” “Because the nobility does not want the commoners full of fear.” “If they knew the truth, they would stop working the fields and continue wandering the desert like our ancestors did.” “The nobility gave us this lie, to give us a sense of safety.” My father gave me this same answer every time I came home with doubt of his beliefs. Today was different however.

My father paced in slowly, clearly sore from a day's training. He reached over to my container of water and drank nearly all of it. As he began to reach for his tools to catch fish, I blurted out, “Omar's father thinks your crazy!” “Why do you believe what know one else believes? What is your proof?” My father held a grimace on his face for a second but it soon melted into a look of quiet fatigue.

“Sit down and be quiet,” he said as he walked closer. “Your old enough to hear the truth, besides it will help with your training.” I had the feeling he was talking to himself more then he was talking to me. He came over and sat next to me on the ground, paused, and then began to talk as if the weight of the world was on him.

“I once had an older brother. We were the biggest young boys in the village and we followed our father every where. He thought it necessary to teach us both the ways of real men. He taught us how to fish and hunt. He taught us how to survive without water, out in these deserts. And as blasphemous as it sounds, he taught us how to survive without fire for days on end. One day, My brother and I wanted to venture out into the desert by ourselves. We were still young boys but we thought we were stronger and smarter then all the other boys and wanted to prove it to all of them. We woke before our father one morning and struck out towards the desert sands. We wanted to travel further then any before us. Just like all the other commoners, we thought the stories of barbarians were mere folklore made to scare young boys like us. We spent the day running across the desert sands as if there were nothing to care for in the world.”

“We came to a stopping place as the sun started to set and started looking for a place to lay down for the night. As we tired, we began to think we were hallucinating. We began to see an orange fire flickering in the night sky. Foolishly, we walked towards it. We wondered if we were approaching the sleeping Sun or the God of Fire himself. We knew that surely no man had traveled out this far. As the fire grew closer I took off running and yelling to my brother, “I'll beat you to the Sun!” I felt like that was the fastest I had ever ran. I felt the footsteps of my brother right behind me and ran harder. I didn't dare look back for fear that he would speed past me. As I began to get some distance between him, I heard a sharp CRACK! Behind me. I turned back to find my brother's body motionless in front of a large dark man with a figure covered in long coarse hair. He was grinning from ear to ear and had dark black eyes that looked to be filled with a demon.”

“He was just as the stories had described in all the fairy tales. However he was thin and looked sickly. Looking back, he must have been separated from his tribe and had been starving there in the desert. Even still, I could tell that he was every bit the barbarian from every child's nightmares. Seeing my brother's body lie lifeless in the sand filled me with an intense rage! I ran toward him screaming and he began laughing and uttered something I couldn't understand. He swung at me with the same club that killed my brother and I ducked. Weak with hunger, the miss knocked him off balance and as he fell I reached for the arm holding his club. I grabbed his arm and twisted it just like how my father had taught me to break a beast's neck. He screamed in pain. As I grabbed the club, I saw my brother. Without hesitating, I did what no else around has done. I cracked his skull and killed a fellow man. I cried over my brother's body. Finally, I buried him and started a fire over him to let him rest. I traveled home, with the barbarian's club, full of sorrow. My father was devastated and died shortly after my return home. One of the men from a noble family took the club and never returned it under the pretense that it was unholy.”

My father stared at me with an intense vulnerability I had never seen in him. I was speechless and scared. I wondered, “how could he kill another man? And how would the Gods react to this transgression?”

My father began talking again. “Son I train every day and I teach you to fight because the lies they tell the commoners could get us all killed. We must prepare for the day that the barbarians find our home. It would be a cruel fate if this village saw the same violence Murak, himself, has seen.”

A loud knock came at our door that startled me. It had become dark and no one tended to visit our home this late. It didn't help that my father had just warned of a barbarian invasion, by the way. My father swiftly rose and opened the door.........

I'll probably write the second half at some point......

 

[filli_noctus]

OOC: That's pretty good. Looking forward to part two. I would just point out that no one's denying the existence of barbarians - they've been pretty heavily discussed recently after all - and at this stage in development there isn't really any differentiation between social classes. Here is the current in lore social structure:

Me
Everyone else​

It seems a little different from the player's vantage point because the assumed hierarchy is as such:

Me
You lot (PCs)
Named NPCs
Unnamed masses​

 

[Aaronius]

I would like to join as a female, Jebel Irhoud.