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Civilization elimination thread

Discussion in 'Civ5 - General Discussions' started by Bakspatel, Aug 23, 2012.

  1. Human Crouton

    Human Crouton Prince

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    America 18
    Arabia 22
    Aztec 27
    Babylon 20
    Byzantium 23
    Carthage 21
    Celts 18
    China 22
    Denmark 9
    Egypt 16
    England 17
    Ethiopia 18
    France 22
    Germany 3
    Greece 24
    Huns 18
    Inca 24
    Iroquois 14
    Japan 18
    Korea 20
    Maya 27
    Mongolia 17
    The Netherlands 14
    Ottoman Empire 20
    Persia 22
    Polynesia 2
    Roman Empire 20
    Russia 20
    Siam 21
    Songhai 16
    Spain 14
    Sweden 23

    America: This is the first civ I played as when the game first came out, and I found it lackluster. But I've since revisited them, and with a little experience playing as other civs, I see just how powerful America is. I bought a clam tile for 25 gold, and had a promoted scout that could see like 3-4 tiles away. It was awesome.

    And since somebody made a good argument for Germany earlier.(thought they are still boring.)

    Polynesia: I love finding early trading partners, but Polynesia just has nothing to follow up. If the moai came earlier then maybe I could so something with them by combining the moai battle bonus with their warriors -10% bonus; but as they are, they are just not good enough.

    Maybe if the moai could be built on tiles you don't own. That would be cool to make some coastal fortress areas, but alas, it is not so.
     
  2. Tachii

    Tachii Procrastinator

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    I have played them, and there isn't much to utilize the UA with (I try to give every civ a chance). I never play on small islands but I don't play on Pangeae either. On every Fractal map I play the UA has some purpose, just not a whole deal important.

    Other than India's UA, I can't think of another UA that's more lackluster (maybe Ottomans). I even like England's UA, if that sounds ironic, and the extra spy is nice.

    I don't really need to land/attack right away, so I never found the most optimal use for it. I have utilized siege units before, but they always run the risk that the city might pop a tireme at some point. If it's not one hit KO it makes the catapult an easy target for the city.
     
  3. theguy8882

    theguy8882 Warlord

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    America 18
    Arabia 23 +1
    Aztec 27
    Babylon 20
    Byzantium 23
    Carthage 21
    Celts 18
    China 22
    Denmark 9
    Egypt 16
    England 17
    Ethiopia 18
    France 22
    Germany 3
    Greece 24
    Huns 18
    Inca 24
    Japan 18
    Korea 20
    Maya 27
    Mongolia 17
    The Netherlands 14
    Ottoman empire 20
    Persia 22
    Polynesia 0 -2
    Roman Empire 20
    Russia 20
    Siam 21
    Songhai 16
    Spain 14
    Sweden 23

    Arabia: I like being the guy with lots of gold and Arabia is great for that. Trade routes will generate high amounts of gold and late game oil trading can make you rich if you have a lot. The Bazaar is amazing for trade and the camel archer is really awesome almost as good as the keshik.

    Polynesia: Their UU is only useful for a short time and their UA is not very rewarding. Their UI is
    OK, but it doesn't make up for their overall low usefulness.
     
  4. Buccaneer

    Buccaneer Deity

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    theguy8882, thanks for the echo!
     
  5. GhostSalsa

    GhostSalsa Emperor

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    Hm - it would also be neat if you could extend borders with those things. Oh well. Bye, Kammy.

    I'll note that I think some good players are afraid to experiment with lower difficulty levels (which can be made challenging by avoiding tech beelines). Or feel, if a civ can't contribute to an impressive finish time on Deity, it's worthless. Never mind that Denmark is insanely fun to play esp. if you let yourself become the underdog.
     
  6. Awsome Sause

    Awsome Sause Chieftain

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    The Iroquois disappeared from the list? So many copy and paste mistakes!
     
  7. zyx

    zyx Prince

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    America 18
    Arabia 23
    Aztec 27
    Babylon 20
    Byzantium 23
    Carthage 21
    Celts 18
    China 22
    Denmark 9
    Egypt 16
    England 18
    Ethiopia 18
    France 22
    Germany 1
    Greece 24
    Huns 18
    Inca 24
    Iroquois 14
    Japan 18
    Korea 20
    Maya 27
    Mongolia 17
    The Netherlands 14
    Ottoman empire 20
    Persia 22
    Roman Empire 20
    Russia 20
    Siam 21
    Songhai 16
    Spain 14
    Sweden 23

    England: Due to the new techtree in GnK i get industrialisation most often before cannons, I like longbowmen and +1 range gattling guns, the additional spy is also great.

    Germany: I don't like the UA, I see no use in amassing brutes/warriors so early in the game almost bancrupting yourself; maybe brutes should be maintenance free. But with higher city defenses brutes have no use. When I hit education I tend to build universities with Germany you have to build a lot of Landsknechts first. The upgradepath of Landsknechts, lancers, anti-tank and helicopter gunship is like rollercoasting. Promotions for one kind don`t necessarily meet the demands of a later unit. IIRC upgraded panzers lose their +1 movement which sucks.
     
  8. JohnExodus

    JohnExodus Chieftain

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    America 18
    Arabia 23
    Aztec 27
    Babylon 20
    Byzantium 23
    Carthage 21
    Celts 18
    China 22
    Denmark 9
    Egypt 16
    England 18
    Ethiopia 18
    France 20
    Germany 1
    Greece 24
    Huns 18
    Inca 24
    Japan 18
    Korea 20
    Maya 27
    Mongolia 18
    The Netherlands 14
    Ottoman empire 20
    Persia 22
    Roman Empire 20
    Russia 20
    Siam 21
    Songhai 16
    Spain 14
    Sweden 23

    Mongol - Basically a warmonger nation. Focusing on Science first to have tech edge over the AI then military to make City States easy pickings. For me, this is a more satisfying way to expand and to get resources. So they're a +1 for me.

    France - Usually, my games last till the Modern Era and their trait becomes obsolete after that. Their units are beast though. But still -2.
     
  9. meteo63

    meteo63 Chieftain

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    America 18
    Arabia 23
    Aztec 27
    Babylon 20
    Byzantium 23
    Carthage 21
    Celts 16
    China 22
    Denmark 9
    Egypt 16
    England 18
    Ethiopia 18
    France 20
    Germany 1
    Greece 24
    Huns 18
    Inca 24
    Japan 18
    Korea 20
    Maya 27
    Mongolia 18
    The Netherlands 15
    Ottoman empire 20
    Persia 22
    Roman Empire 20
    Russia 20
    Siam 21
    Songhai 16
    Spain 14
    Sweden 23

    The Celts - Their UA only affects unimproved forests, so all it does if you are lucky enough to have forest tiles is guarantee a pantheon. It will ultimately not help in the long run to actually found a religion, as you will eventually chop or improve all of your forest tiles, eliminating the bonus. Their UU is okay and the UB is okay, but I don't really see anything interesting coming from this combination of unique items.

    Netherlands - I've already defended them in a previous post, but I didn't actually vote for them yet. Great UA for trading in the early game and maintaining happiness, great UI for fast growth, and decent UU for naval situations.
     
  10. theguy8882

    theguy8882 Warlord

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    Sorry about that I forgot i could just copy paste the list :lol:.
     
  11. Tachii

    Tachii Procrastinator

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    America 18
    Arabia 23
    Aztec 27
    Babylon 20
    Byzantium 23
    Carthage 21
    Celts 16
    China 22
    Denmark 9
    Egypt 16
    England 18
    Ethiopia 18
    France 20
    Germany 1
    Greece 24
    Huns 18
    Inca 24
    Iroquois 14 Get back in here ya forest hog.
    Japan 18
    Korea 20
    Maya 27
    Mongolia 18
    The Netherlands 15
    Ottoman empire 20
    Persia 22
    Roman Empire 20
    Russia 20
    Siam 21
    Songhai 16
    Spain 14
    Sweden 23
     
  12. emblemfire

    emblemfire Chieftain

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    America 18
    Arabia 23
    Aztec 25
    Babylon 21
    Byzantium 23
    Carthage 21
    Celts 16
    China 22
    Denmark 9
    Egypt 16
    England 18
    Ethiopia 18
    France 20
    Germany 1
    Greece 24
    Huns 18
    Inca 24
    Iroquois 14
    Japan 18
    Korea 20
    Maya 27
    Mongolia 18
    The Netherlands 15
    Ottoman empire 20
    Persia 22
    Roman Empire 20
    Russia 20
    Siam 21
    Songhai 16
    Spain 14
    Sweden 23

    Babylon: people keep seeming to think that they got nerfed alot but they really didn't. Just because saving up the scientists to the end doesn't work so well isn't a bad thing. Academies have been buffed and help speed you up earlier. If you get a good mountain start or second city you will be set.

    The Aztecs allows Dow me for nothing, not to mention there UA isn't very good for me, as I dislike warmongering. The UU is ok but i hate having to spam them so that i can upgrade later. And the UB is ok but nothing all that good, unless you devote yourself to the growth thing. aka... fertility, Artemis, tradition. I like liberty better aswell. I can see the reasons people like them, but i just don't.
     
  13. The A.K.T

    The A.K.T Warlord

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    America 18
    Arabia 23
    Aztec 25
    Babylon 21
    Byzantium 23
    Carthage 21
    Celts 16
    China 22
    Denmark 10(+1)
    Egypt 16
    England 18
    Ethiopia 18
    France 20
    Germany 1
    Greece 24
    Huns 18
    Inca 24
    Iroquois 14
    Japan 18
    Korea 20
    Maya 27
    Mongolia 18
    The Netherlands 15
    Ottoman empire 20
    Persia 22
    Roman Empire 20
    Russia 20
    Siam 21
    Songhai 16
    Spain 14
    Sweden 21(-2)¨

    Who has being hitting on Denmark? Its like the opgradet England! And im sorry Sweden but the AI is too bad for u to get somthing for the UA
     
  14. Elgalad

    Elgalad Bully!

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    America 18
    Arabia 23
    Aztec 23 (-2)
    Babylon 21
    Byzantium 23
    Carthage 21
    Celts 16
    China 22
    Denmark 9
    Egypt 16
    England 18
    Ethiopia 18
    France 20
    Germany 2 (+1)
    Greece 24
    Huns 18
    Inca 24
    Iroquois 14
    Japan 18
    Korea 20
    Maya 27
    Mongolia 18
    The Netherlands 15
    Ottoman empire 20
    Persia 22
    Roman Empire 20
    Russia 20
    Siam 21
    Songhai 16
    Spain 14
    Sweden 23


    Germany will probably get eliminated soon, but I had to upvote them at least once since they're the civ I tend to play most. :) I've read others' opinions about landsknechts, but my only complaint about them is how deceptive it is to upgrade To them, since they're so cheap. I often forget to save up enough gold to upgrade them on again to lancers, and that's when the price really jumps. As for the UA, it really helps to get off to a fast start during the goodie hut era!

    The Aztecs just don't have staying power for the long game. They start quick with a great UU but then fizzle, and the sacrificial culture thing isn't something I care much about since I rarely play for CVs.


    -Elgalad
     
  15. OmniPotent42

    OmniPotent42 King

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    America 18
    Arabia 23
    Aztec 25
    Babylon 21
    Byzantium 23
    Carthage 21
    Celts 16
    China 22
    Denmark 10
    Egypt 16
    England 18
    Ethiopia 19 (+1)
    France 20
    Germany 1
    Greece 24
    Huns 16 (-2)
    Inca 24
    Iroquois 14
    Japan 18
    Korea 20
    Maya 27
    Mongolia 18
    The Netherlands 15
    Ottoman empire 20
    Persia 22
    Roman Empire 20
    Russia 20
    Siam 21
    Songhai 16
    Spain 14
    Sweden 21

    I like Ethiopia the most out of any religious civ because you can get a pantheon and religion early, not one or the other. Great for a tradition opener.

    Huns: good early game, but stinks in late game.
     
  16. DeathFace

    DeathFace Male Student No. 7

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    America 18
    Arabia 23
    Aztec 25
    Babylon 21
    Byzantium 23
    Carthage 21
    Celts 17
    China 22
    Denmark 10
    Egypt 16
    England 18
    Ethiopia 19
    France 20
    Germany 1
    Greece 24
    Huns 16
    Inca 24
    Iroquois 14
    Japan 18
    Korea 20
    Maya 27
    Mongolia 16
    The Netherlands 15
    Ottoman empire 20
    Persia 22
    Roman Empire 20
    Russia 20
    Siam 21
    Songhai 16
    Spain 14
    Sweden 21

    I absolutely adore everything about the Celts! The UA is perfect for an early religion. UB is good.
    Pictish Warrior is great as a spearman unique and pretty good as a heli.

    Again, the way the Mongols warmonger isn't even close to the way I warmonger and I have yet to see AI Genghis do even decently in any of my games.
     
  17. theguy8882

    theguy8882 Warlord

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    America 18
    Arabia 23
    Aztecs 23
    Babylon 21
    Byzantium 23
    Carthage 21
    Celts 17
    China 22
    Denmark 10
    Egypt 16
    England 18
    Ethiopia 19
    France 20
    Germany 2
    Greece 24
    Huns 16
    Inca 24
    Iroquois 14
    Japan 18
    Korea 20
    Maya 27
    Mongolia 16
    The Netherlands 15
    Ottoman empire 20
    Persia 22
    Roman Empire 20
    Russia 20
    Siam 21
    Songhai 16
    Spain 14
    Sweden 21

    Elgalad's post was skipped by accident.
     
  18. Hammer Rabbi

    Hammer Rabbi Deity GOTM Staff

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    America 18
    Arabia 23
    Aztecs 23
    Babylon 22
    Byzantium 23
    Carthage 21
    Celts 17
    China 22
    Denmark 10
    Egypt 16
    England 18
    Ethiopia 19
    France 20
    Germany 0
    Greece 24
    Huns 16
    Inca 24
    Iroquois 14
    Japan 18
    Korea 20
    Maya 27
    Mongolia 16
    The Netherlands 15
    Ottoman empire 20
    Persia 22
    Roman Empire 20
    Russia 20
    Siam 21
    Songhai 16
    Spain 14
    Sweden 21

    Ow. Veeter. Zane. Im glad germany went this fast. i like playing as them but against them ruins my fun.

    And Babs is the bee's knees. Even with GSs nerfed and the addition of Comp Bows I still love them. Walls are the only reason i can survive on immortal and deity.
     
  19. Dogmouth

    Dogmouth King

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    America 18
    Arabia 23
    Aztecs 23
    Byzantium 23
    Carthage 21
    Celts 17
    China 22
    Denmark 8 (-2)
    Egypt 16
    England 18
    Ethiopia 19
    France 20
    Greece 24
    Huns 16
    Inca 24
    Iroquois 14
    Japan 18
    Korea 20
    Maya 27
    Mongolia 16
    The Netherlands 15
    Ottoman empire 20
    Persia 22
    Roman Empire 20
    Russia 20
    Siam 21
    Songhai 17 (+1)
    Spain 14
    Sweden 21

    Denmark: not particularly interesting to play and tragically bad AI.

    Songhai: Fun to play, strong, and relatively good AI. I love the extra gold in the first handful of turns and after conquest.
     
  20. DGDobrev

    DGDobrev Warlord

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    A question... can we vote a second time after a civ has been dropped?
     

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