Civilization VII - Civilization and leader overview

[Trav'ling Canuck]

Based on screenshots it looks like one of France's unique buildings might be an Exhibition Hall. Considering leaders are decoupled from leaders, I wouldn't be surprised if France itself was scientific/cultural and unironically Benjamin Franklin might be their other "historical" choice.

If Ben Franklin can be an "historical" leader of France, then France should also get a bonus for the construction of the Statue of Liberty and this time, you know, just keep it for themselves.

Or, better yet, be allowed to ship it off to any other civ for a big relationship bonus.

 

[Zaarin]

If a fourth Age is added, it'll probably be a Future Age, with no extra Civs.

GS's future age was a slog I'd rather not see come back.

 

[RedCourtJester]

Or just make modern France not around Napoléon. I seems that a lot of people don't know it, but we actually had roughly 93% of our History since the French Revolution that wasn't about Napoléon (219 years out of 235). We could have Modern France represented through the IIIrd Republic, the longest of all of our republics (I discount the fifth, we don't deserve it) and a major player in politics of the time, or we could have the Second Empire with Napoléon III instead of the first one who has been done and redone ad nauseam. The Universal Expositions, Gustave Eiffel, secularism, the Commune, there are countless things that could represent France during the Modern Age. No need to go Ancien Régime again or to resort to the silly not-really-little Corsican egotistical man who got attributed way more achievments than he deserved. Was he a wonderful general? Not denying that. But all the statecraft he's given credit to? Come on, he was just at the right place in the right time.

Everybody, follow me: let's boycott Napoléon. We deserve better.

We should have had Talleyrand.

While I, myself, am not knowledgeable enough to make a clear distinction between Antiquity and Classical Age (frankly, it's a continuity), so I would know which gameplay would make the two age differ from one another, I definitely see how the crises could be different. Ancient Age, we know, will fall under the barbarian invasions and political instability of the fall of the Roman Empire, but that could be the end of the Classical Age, while the end of the Antiquity Age could be more economical and military, either representing the Bronze Age collapse of the Sea People invasions.

I would definitely be more into the third French Republic than the French Empire. Would actually be a much more novel choice for a "modern but not contemporary" civ than most of the other options which will end up being dynasties or kingdoms.

Do you mean Qin

Yes I did, whooops.

GS's future age was a slog I'd rather not see come back.

I really liked the idea of an energy-based modern era from a bird's-eye view. The implementation was...quite inelegant, in the kindest light. It has enough goodwill with me that I would be fine with them taking another stab at it with the lessons learned from VI. I imagine it would be less of a mandatory end-game, and more of a "game mode," like how each era is focusing around different civvy bits. The key takeaway being, if they did include a revamped GS concept, it would need to be an era/mode players can opt into. Which again seems very much in the spirit of VII's era breaks.

 

[mitsho]

If Ben Franklin can be an "historical" leader of France, then France should also get a bonus for the construction of the Statue of Liberty and this time, you know, just keep it for themselves.

Or, better yet, be allowed to ship it off to any other civ for a big relationship bonus.

That would actually be a great unique mechanism for a wonder. Build it then gift it to someone for a huge diplomatic bonus.

 

[Ornen]

With the Ottomans missing (so far), it's not implausible we'll get a DLC or XPac later down the line that includes the Hittites, Seljuks and Ottomans. Once we see Yazilikaya show up in a trailer, we'll know for sure.

down the line? Crossroads of the World is right there

I fully expect Crossroads will be Ottomans +3 Near East or East African civs, with an off-chance of Byzantines or Venice

(the near east being bookmarked for an early DLC is also why I suspect we'll get Morocco and Iran in the modern age for base game)

also, great to see where still talking about 'the game ends in 1970' and information age theories. good stuff lads

beyond the whole "global warming is in the game" line, they've been increasingly shy of anything contemporary, so an entire era post-1970s would be out of left field

 

[Zaarin]

(the near east being bookmarked for an early DLC is also why I suspect we'll get Morocco and Iran in the modern age for base game)

Given that Iran would easily make most Top 5 Most Controversial Nations in the Modern World lists, I highly suspect they'll call it Safavid (off chance for Qajar).

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

Given that Iran would easily make most Top 5 Most Controversial Nations in the Modern World lists, I highly suspect they'll call it Safavid (off chance for Qajar).

Or just fold Saffarids or Timurids or whatever they do for Exploration Persia/Persianized Asia into Modern Ottomans, who will probably already be catching everything out of Exploration Mideast.

 

[Zaarin]

Or just fold Saffarids or Timurids or whatever they do for Exploration Persia/Persianized Asia into Modern Ottomans, who will probably already be catching everything out of Exploration Mideast.

Given that the Ottomans had two archrivalries--Byzantium and Persia--and are highly likely not to share an age with one of them, I highly suspect we'll have a Modern Age Iranian civ. I just don't think it will be called Iran. Plus, Persia is one of the easy through-lines for people who don't like changing civs. Achaemenid > Sassanid/Saffarid/Samanid/Ghaznavid/whatever > Safavid would be super easy, barely an inconvenience. If we don't get a Persian through-line on release, I still think it'll be coming.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Given that Iran would easily make most Top 5 Most Controversial Nations in the Modern World lists, I highly suspect they'll call it Safavid (off chance for Qajar).

If the Mughals are Modern, I now expect Safavids to be Modern.
That opens up Sasanians, alongside potential Byzantines, in Exploration.

 

[Zaarin]

That opens up Sasanians, alongside potential Byzantines, in Exploration.

Nothing in the world would make me happier (except three ages of Phoenicians ).

 

[Ornen]

Given that Iran would easily make most Top 5 Most Controversial Nations in the Modern World lists, I highly suspect they'll call it Safavid (off chance for Qajar).

yes, I'm talking Qajar Iran. I've been thinking Safavid for exploration era, but they might end up doing Achaemenid -> Timurid -> Safavid

but hey, they always could put the Ayatollah in the game

 

[j51]

I too think that Safavid’s are likely for modern. They and the Mughals and the Qing have late enough foundation dates that it works. The Ottomans as an older empire are harder to pin down in this specific age system.

While at some point I think there will be other bridges between ancient Persia and the Safavids in the exploration age, for the initial game is likely just going to be the Abbasids. At least they were the more Persian friendly of the major early caliphates.

 

[Zaarin]

The Ottomans as an older empire are harder to pin down in this specific age system.

The high likelihood of modern Ottomans makes me live in hope we may finally see the Seljuqs get some well-deserved recognition (and Alp Arslan would make a great leader).

 

[j51]

The high likelihood of modern Ottomans makes me live in hope we may finally see the Seljuqs get some well-deserved recognition (and Alp Arslan would make a great leader).

Yes! And maybe the Gokturks in the amorphous (by the looks of the Khmer) antiquity were getting.

 

[Boris Gudenuf]

The high likelihood of modern Ottomans makes me live in hope we may finally see the Seljuqs get some well-deserved recognition (and Alp Arslan would make a great leader).

Anything that fills in the gaping holes in Central Asia in both time and space that previous Civ games have left us . . .

 

[moysturfurmer]

yes, I'm talking Qajar Iran. I've been thinking Safavid for exploration era, but they might end up doing Achaemenid -> Timurid -> Safavid

but hey, they always could put the Ayatollah in the game

Well since leaders aren’t necessarily heads of state anymore they could always go left of left field and put Googoosh in as a Persian leader.

 

[Zaarin]

Well since leaders aren’t necessarily heads of state anymore they could always go left of left field and put Googoosh in as a Persian leader.

She's still alive.

 

[Boris Gudenuf]

Well since leaders aren’t necessarily heads of state anymore they could always go left of left field and put Googoosh in as a Persian leader.

Or go really left field, as in Sappho As A Leader Left Field, and use Rumi (Jalal al-Din Muhammad Rumi) - Persian poet, one of the most popular in the world, but also Islamic scholar and theologian and Sufi mystic.

 

[moysturfurmer]

She's still alive.

Sid Meier was a leader in Civ 4, I’m considering the long standing “must be dead” rule null and void.

Or go really left field, as in Sappho As A Leader Left Field, and use Rumi (Jalal al-Din Muhammad Rumi) - Persian poet, one of the most popular in the world, but also Islamic scholar and theologian and Sufi mystic.

Yeah between him and the frequent mention of Ferdowsi by someone here, I’m pretty amenable to the idea of a Persian poet representing the region base game instead of yet another Achaemenid. Still crossing my fingers for a Sassanid.

 

[Zaarin]

Or go really left field, as in Sappho As A Leader Left Field, and use Rumi (Jalal al-Din Muhammad Rumi) - Persian poet, one of the most popular in the world, but also Islamic scholar and theologian and Sufi mystic.

Ferdowsi seems like a better fit for non-leader leader of Persia, though Rumi would be interesting.

Sid Meier was a leader in Civ 4, I’m considering the long standing “must be dead” rule null and void.

Only if Firaxis' legal department has been discharged or wasn't available for consulting that day. Living people have to be paid royalties for their likeness.