Civilization VII - Civilization and leader overview

[RedCourtJester]

Unfortunately, Monty probably represents all three.

Ayyyyyy Montyyyyy!

Well now that leaders are separate, why be so specific? Shakira could lead all of the Spanish colonies AND the Middle East (and Brazil and South Africa).

 

[Mudokon Pop]

Africa is certainly the toughest place to pull post-colonial civs compared to the Americas and to a lesser extent Asia. Nigeria is one of the most likely picks in that category, but the Benin or Hausa kingdoms seem more probable representatives for that region.

The other tricky thing about Africa is that I imagine the Modern Age in Civ 7 will be centered partially around themes of statehood and nationalism in the shift from older cultures to what we think of nations today, and there are only 2 modern nations that weren't colonized during the Scramble. Ethiopia I see as a likely option. Liberia I think is quite unlikely, though it would fit that theming idea.

I reckon that Fireaxis will stick to pre-colonial African civs - the scramble for Africa was during the modern era so any pre-colonial 19th century African civ is modern. I notice that Buganda still exists as a kingdom within modern Uganda, I wonder if that was a factor for choosing that civ. Asante, Benin, Bornu and many other pre-colonial kingdoms still exist today within a modern nation.

Ashanti is also a great candidate for modern Africa. Due to its complex and sophisticated economic, military and administrative organization, I'd say it's a better option than most of its pre-colonial competitors. Not to mention that they have more than one option for notable leaders. They even have a good option for an associated wonder, the Aban Palace. Ashanti is complete and viable in every aspect.

Personally I'd hope for the Batama Mausoleum for an Asante wonder.

 

[Jkchart]

I just want them to reveal more civs in the game guides, ANY CIV PLEASE, so much more interesting than the leaders to me

Though I’ll be there for every leader reveal to support Sarah’s first look skills

 

[Xandinho]

I just want them to reveal more civs in the game guides, ANY CIV PLEASE, so much more interesting than the leaders to me

Though I’ll be there for every leader reveal to support Sarah’s first look skills

I couldn't agree more. The civs are much more interesting than the leaders. I hope they leave the mystery aside a bit and reveal some more civs this week.

 

[RedCourtJester]

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Updated version with Greece and Persia. I think Greece is correct based on the shape of the icon and I think I can see Persia matching if I squint. The one between Maya and Persia looks to me like an animal, maybe the head of a horse.

I just saw this post. The civs appear to be in alphabetical order:

Row 1: A???, Aksum, Egypt, Greece, [blank (Han)]

Row 2: Khmer, Maurya, Maya, ???, [Persia (disagree)]

Row 3: Rome, [blank], [blank], [blank]

I think the first "A" is actually "Persia" with the Achaemenids, although there is a chance it could be Assyria.

I think what was identified as "Persia" is actually Mississippians, looks moundish to me. Either that or the one before it.

This leaves one civ between "Maya" and "Rome", and three after "Rome." This does seem to deconfirm Babylon, Byzantium, Gaul, and Goths at launch.

For the first gap, I could see the Muisca sneaking in as an antiquity civ. Other possibilities could be Nubia, Numidia, Phoenicia, and Palmyra (?!).

For the second gap, we have a lot more options to fill three slots. Likely candidates are Tonga, maybe Scythia, maybe Silla or Yamato, maybe Sumeria. Stretches might include the Saami, Samoans, Sogdia, Tibet.

My bet is Muisca, Tonga/Samoa, Scythia, and Sumeria. I think we will get at least one Mesopotamian civ and Sumer is really the only option left in the alphabet. I think we need an ancient SA civ at launch and the Muisca kind of win by default since the only other option open is the Tupi. Tonga could be exploration but I'm going with it since we know it's somewhere in the game. And I just want Scythia back.

 

[Zaarin]

I think we will get at least one Mesopotamian civ and Sumer is really the only option left in the alphabet.

Assyria is looking pretty likely thanks to the Dur-Sharrukin wonder; if there's another Mesopotamian civ, it's surely Babylon because FXS will continue to associate the Hanging Gardens with them because tradition. If we do eventually get Sumer back, I hope it's better designed, and I hope the devs have learned better than to call it Sumeria.

 

[RedCourtJester]

Assyria is looking pretty likely thanks to the Dur-Sharrukin wonder; if there's another Mesopotamian civ, it's surely Babylon because FXS will continue to associate the Hanging Gardens with them because tradition. If we do eventually get Sumer back, I hope it's better designed, and I hope the devs have learned better than to call it Sumeria.

Again, we can only have one "A" civ before Aksum (which actually excludes Assyria alphabetically), and I do think the Achaemenids probably have that on lock since they cover more territory for civ-switching. The Gate of All Nations is also a wonder.

Either way, whichever is not included will probably be in the Crossroads of the world DLC pack. We know based on the description that there will be no new wonders, meaning it should be easy to guess by process of elimination which civs will be added once we know the full wonder list. I thoroughly expect, based on the name, that Assyria or Achaemenids will be in it, depending on which is not in the base game. Along with probably Byzantium.

 

[Xandinho]

Assyria is looking pretty likely thanks to the Dur-Sharrukin wonder; if there's another Mesopotamian civ, it's surely Babylon because FXS will continue to associate the Hanging Gardens with them because tradition. If we do eventually get Sumer back, I hope it's better designed, and I hope the devs have learned better than to call it Sumeria.

I think Sumeria will appear eventually, and since civs are now disassociated from leaders, we can finally expect a Sumeria Civ instead of a Gilgamesh Civ.

 

[RedCourtJester]

I think Sumeria will appear eventually, and since civs are now disassociated from leaders, we can finally expect a Sumeria Civ instead of a Gilgamesh Civ.

Again, my reasoning is that Assyria and Babylon are excluded alphabetically by that screenshot. And I think it more likely that we see something Mesopotamian on launch instead of nothing. Ergo, Sumeria.

I'm predicting Sumeria at launch, Assyria in Crossroads DLC, and Babylon as a maybe eventuality.

(I'm kind of indifferent, I think there are justifications for any pairing among these three and somewhat don't care if any are left out)

 

[Zaarin]

I think Sumeria will appear eventually, and since civs are now disassociated from leaders, we can finally expect a Sumeria Civ instead of a Gilgamesh Civ.

I'm not so convinced. Even as the resident Ancient Near East obsessed person, I don't think we need all three of Sumer, Babylon, and Assyria--we already have signs of Assyria--and if one of them is sitting out, it's not going to be Babylon. (And if I had to pick two, it would be Babylon and Assyria.)

 

[RedCourtJester]

I'm not so convinced. Even as the resident Ancient Near East obsessed person, I don't think we need all three of Sumer, Babylon, and Assyria--we already have signs of Assyria--and if one of them is sitting out, it's not going to be Babylon. (And if I had to pick two, it would be Babylon and Assyria.)

I think Babylon being inexcludable is likely why we will ultimately see all three in VII, even if it gets forced mechanics like it did in VI. Humankind did it already, and we already know both Assyria and Babylon poll well with players.

Sumeria is...fine. I think it makes less sense without Gilgabro so I'm puzzled why they brought it back. I think it's just shorthand for Akkadia, but in VII we are skipping the Zhou and Qin for China, and Olmec for Mesomerica, and Harappan for India, so I'm not sure how necessary cradles of civilization are to this game's themes. But that's where the evidence is pointing.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Honestly, I'm expecting Assyria as the civ, with Gilgamesh appearing as the sole Mesopotamian leader. Babylon will at least come later.

 

[RedCourtJester]

Honestly, I'm expecting Assyria as the civ, with Gilgamesh appearing as the sole Mesopotamian leader. Babylon will at least come later.

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Again, this image suggests Assyria isn't one of the fourteen base game civs, as it doesn't come alphabetically before Aksum. The same logic would apply to Babylon.

 

[Zaarin]

Honestly, I'm expecting Assyria as the civ, with Gilgamesh appearing as the sole Mesopotamian leader. Babylon will at least come later.

I'm also expecting Assyria and not putting too much stock in pre-release blurry images, which are suggestive but could be wrong for any number of reasons. I'm hoping we don't see Gilgamesh, though. Not only is Assyria filled to overflowing with interesting leaders (Sennacherib, Esarhaddon, Tiglath-Pileser III, Sargon II, even the return of Ashurbanipal...), but Sumer also has more interesting leaders (Gudea, please and thank you, or even Sargon of Akkad or his grandson Naram-Sin--or now that non-leaders are on the table, how about Enheduanna?).

 

[RedCourtJester]

I'm also expecting Assyria and not putting too much stock in pre-release blurry images, which are suggestive but could be wrong for any number of reasons. I'm hoping we don't see Gilgamesh, though. Not only is Assyria filled to overflowing with interesting leaders (Sennacherib, Esarhaddon, Tiglath-Pileser III, Sargon II, even the return of Ashurbanipal...), but Sumer also has more interesting leaders (Gudea, please and thank you, or even Sargon of Akkad or his grandson Naram-Sin--or now that non-leaders are on the table, how about Enheduanna?).

I think the roster is pretty well locked down by now if they are publicly announcing civs and their specs, and have organized additional civs into two themed DLCs. I don't expect that list to change much, if at all.

What it does indicate is that, as of late August or whenever that footage was originally recorded, Assyria and Babylon were not on the antiquity list. Which invites inference that Sumeria was planned for release at that time, and the only way we *are* getting Assyria/Babylon on launch is if they somehow swap or retool Sumeria out last minute.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

I'm hoping we don't see Gilgamesh, though. Not only is Assyria filled to overflowing with interesting leaders (Sennacherib, Esarhaddon, Tiglath-Pileser III, Sargon II, even the return of Ashurbanipal...), but Sumer also has more interesting leaders (Gudea, please and thank you, or even Sargon of Akkad or his grandson Naram-Sin--or now that non-leaders are on the table, how about Enheduanna?).

I forgot about Sargon of Akkad. He would be a big personality and fit the idea of leading every single Mesopotamian civ, without needing his own Akkadian Empire.

 

[RedCourtJester]

I forgot about Sargon of Akkad. He would be a big personality and fit the idea of leading every single Mesopotamian civ, without needing his own Akkadian Empire.

Sargon would be a fantastic option for all three civs, I agree.

 

[Xandinho]

I'm not so convinced. Even as the resident Ancient Near East obsessed person, I don't think we need all three of Sumer, Babylon, and Assyria--we already have signs of Assyria--and if one of them is sitting out, it's not going to be Babylon. (And if I had to pick two, it would be Babylon and Assyria.)

I wouldn't mind having all three. I also wouldn't mind if we had Akkad and Elam included someday. I would love to have an immersive game set in ancient Mesopotamia. However, there could be issues with overlapping cities.

Also, I think Hittites will make an appearance this time around, having been missing since Civ3.

 

[Zaarin]

I think the roster is pretty well locked down by now

I'm not saying it's not locked down, but that doesn't mean the build shown is accurate.

I wouldn't mind having all three. I also wouldn't mind if we had Akkad and Elam included someday. I would love to have an immersive game set in ancient Mesopotamia. However, there could be issues with overlapping cities.

Also, I think Hittites will make an appearance this time around, having been missing since Civ3.

I'd love to see Elam (though I doubt we'll see them except as an Independent People--which is a shame given they were never fully dominated by Mesopotamia and even briefly conquered Babylon), but I don't consider Akkad distinct from Sumer. I'm also hoping the Hittites return.

 

[j51]

I’m thinking the build shown isn’t accurate. It would seem odd if the Mausoleum of Theodoric is in the base game without the Goths. It’s just not wondrous enough for its own inclusion this early. Dur-Sharrukin unfortunately is, because I’d love to see the Assyrians in the base game.