Civilization VII - Civilization and leader overview

[pokiehl]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longma "The longma is a fabled winged horse with dragon scales in Chinese mythology. Seeing a longma was an omen of a legendary sage-ruler, particularly one of the Three Sovereigns and Five Emperors."
Compromise?

Wow, that might well be it. I had no idea there was a dragon-horse.

 

[Lord Lakely]

That clearly looks like a horse

I agree. The colour scheme of Dark Red on Pale Yellow could match a Chinese dynasty though.

It's probably the icon of an Antiquity steppe culture (I don't know why a horse would be the symbol of China when the Kirin is right there?) and not Scythia. So... Huns, Xiongu?

 

[Siptah]

This one is a bit more of a stretch and very blurry, but there's several dome shaped buildings that could be town centers:

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Variant 1

This should be an Abbasid Town Centre or unique building.

 

[Bonyduck Campersang]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longma "The longma is a fabled winged horse with dragon scales in Chinese mythology. Seeing a longma was an omen of a legendary sage-ruler, particularly one of the Three Sovereigns and Five Emperors."
Compromise?

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

I agree. The colour scheme of Dark Red on Pale Yellow could match a Chinese dynasty though.

Ironically that's Kublai's primary jersey when leading China.

But in all seriousness, I also see a horse.

 

[Atlas627]

Still looks like that style of Chinese dragon art to me. And it is Confucius leading them.

If it's a horse, then we're looking at Mongolia? For the Yuan?

 

[Bonyduck Campersang]

If it's a horse, then we're looking at Mongolia? For the Yuan?

It's an Antiquity Age civ

 

[Ornen]

Do we feel more or less settled about Exploration era civs, then? By my count, we're looking at 16 (including Shawnee):

• Abbasid
• Shawnee
• Inca
• Aztec
• Songhai
• Mongolia
• Ming China
• Mughal
• Khmer
• Majapahit / Indonesia
• Polynesia
• Francia / France
• Russia
• England
• Spain
• Normans

It does feel a little low on Africa (1) and especially the Near East / Middle East (1). So I wouldn't be too surprised to see Ottomans, Timurids, Oman, Kilwa, or Almohad/Morocco in place of, say, Khmer or Majapahit. But some of those would also make decent candidates for the Crossroads of the World pack.

I'm also starting to wonder about Japan... We know little about the Modern era, but they would make a very strong candidate. Yet if modern Japan's in, I'd also expect to see Edo/Tokugawa in the Exploration era. Maybe they're doomed to the Right to Rule pack...

 

[The Fanatical]

This looks like it could be in the same style as that last town center, maybe it's the palace version:
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I initially thought it could be the Great Library, but it looks too small to be a wonder.

It's not too small. To the right there is another wonder of similar height. The Asian looking houses that surround it disprove the palace/town center theory.

 

[Bonyduck Campersang]

Do we feel more or less settled about Exploration era civs, then? By my count, we're looking at 16 (including Shawnee):

• Abbasid
• Shawnee
• Inca
• Aztec
• Songhai
• Mongolia
• Ming China
• Mughal
• Khmer
• Majapahit / Indonesia
• Polynesia
• Francia / France
• Russia
• England
• Spain
• Normans

It does feel a little low on Africa (1) and especially the Near East / Middle East (1). So I wouldn't be too surprised to see Ottomans, Timurids, or Almohad/Morocco in place of, say, Khmer or Majapahit. But Ottomans could also be a candidate for the Crossroads of the World pack.

I'm also starting to wonder about Japan... We know little about the Modern era, but they would make a very strong candidate. Yet if modern Japan's in, I'd also expect to see Edo/Tokugawa in the Exploration era. Maybe they're doomed to the Right to Rule pack...

What are the clues for Mughal, Indonesia, Russia and England?

 

[The Fanatical]

Bulgaria or Byzanz most likely. At least the feeling that I get is a mix of orthodox monastery with Greek townhouses.

But the surrounding architecture in the city doesn‘t fit with that. Looking at the screenshot of the city, it gives me more of a Japanese or SEA vibe. I have very limited knowledge of ancient Japanese architecture, but the palace doesn't look like that to me. It could be world builder shenanigans - or that someone build a Byzantine city on top of an ancient Japanese city, for example.

Spoiler City Screenshot :

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Or it is indeed a world wonder. Changing the palace/town center in the next Age, but keeping the houses of the previous civilization would feel weird and inappropriate.

 

[Ornen]

What are the clues for Mughal, Indonesia, Russia and England?

Mughal - Taj Mahal
Indonesia - Borobodur
Russia - Hermitage
England - Oxford

Wonder connection does not mean 100% confirmed. But that + the game's direction + background knowledge makes me think these are all fairly likely.

 

[Siptah]

Mughal - Taj Mahal
Indonesia - Borobodur
Russia - Hermitage
England - Oxford

Wonder connection does not mean 100% confirmed. But that + the game's direction + background knowledge makes me think these are all fairly likely.

Even so, England/GB and Russia are most likely in the third age. And the screenshots we saw of France are also looking very modern age.

 

[Ornen]

Even so, England/GB and Russia are most likely in the third age.

That by no means precludes them from being in the second age in some form, especially given that both the associated wonders fit in the Discovery timeline (roughly 800 - 1800 AD)

 

[Navelgazer]

What are the clues for Mughal, Indonesia, Russia and England?

Indeed. We're getting England OR Normans in the Exploration Age almost certainly, but not both.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Even so, England/GB and Russia are most likely in the third age. And the screenshots we saw of France are also looking very modern age.

Then again Tsarist Russia and the Hermitage makes so much more sense for Exploration Age, at least in my opinion. Which makes me wonder if they would dare do Soviets for Modern Age?

Indeed. We're getting England OR Normans in the Exploration Age almost certainly, but not both.

In the interview Ed mentioned Rome>Normans>England as one path, however. Though I must admit another article had it Britain instead.

 

[Siptah]

That by no means precludes them from being in the second age in some form, especially given that both the associated wonders fit in the Discovery timeline (roughly 800 - 1800 AD)

Indeed, it would be possible. But with the route Romans -> Normans > Britain named so often in interviews and by streamers as what was the inspiration behind the "history happens in layers" it would be quite strange to have England and Normans in the Exploration Age.

Also, while it might be true that every civ gets an associated wonders, I wouldn't rule out that some have multiple (and not necessarily all are associated). Like Greece: they have multiple wonders associated.

For the Russian empire, they could indeed be in the 2nd Age, but I think they are just better represented in the last age (@Alexander's Hetaroi Modern Age Russia can still be Tsarist. The cutoff has been called steam engine, industrialization and 1800s). They could add Moscow or Novgorod at some point if they want to have a 2nd Age "russian" civ - and that would be a novel twist that could be fun. Trade focused Novgorod in civ, imagine that

 

[Boris Gudenuf]

Then again Tsarist Russia and the Hermitage makes so much more sense for Exploration Age, at least in my opinion. Which makes me wonder if they would dare do Soviets for Modern Age?

Soviet Union has the advantage(s) that it is utterly different from the preceding Imperial Russia while still being a 'historical' successor.

One major disadvantage is that neither the Soviet Union nor most of its Leaders have left a benevolent memory in many minds, and those memories are relatively Fresh. Yet another problem is that the war crimes being committed in Ukraine by the modern Russian army reflect many of the worst practices of the old Soviet Army, which doesn't help sell either of them to many gamers in many countries.

 

[Bonyduck Campersang]

Mughal - Taj Mahal
Indonesia - Borobodur
Russia - Hermitage
England - Oxford

Wonder connection does not mean 100% confirmed. But that + the game's direction + background knowledge makes me think these are all fairly likely.

Far from settled in that case. All 4 of those wonders have appeared in the series before.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Soviet Union has the advantage(s) that it is utterly different from the preceding Imperial Russia while still being a 'historical' successor.

One major disadvantage is that neither the Soviet Union nor most of its Leaders have left a benevolent memory in many minds, and those memories are relatively Fresh. Yet another problem is that the war crimes being committed in Ukraine by the modern Russian army reflect many of the worst practices of the old Soviet Army, which doesn't help sell either of them to many gamers in many countries.

I agree with all of this.
However, now that leaders are decoupled from civs I would think that it's quite possible to have a Soviet civ without adding in one if it's leaders at least. I mean Humankind did it, and this iteration seems the most similar to that game. I wouldn't have expected them to be in any other iterations, especially sense Russia was led by Soviet leaders in the past games. Then again, Humankind did come out before the most recent happenings of the war, so maybe not.

Not that I want them in the game, but I was just asking how plausible it might be.