Civilizations discussion

[civ editor11]

I don't know how I'd do that and I don't think i could find enough pics.
I don't get why it has to be consistent but I haven't used much from the movies

 

[Kissamies]

Found that picture. It's pretty useless: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/File:Sqcover.jpg
Could take some Thrawn pic and color his shirt yellow, but that'd look very cheap, I guess.

Should I use the rebellion flag for the new republic?

Use Rebellion's it's simpler, more canonical and not so different from NR's.

 

[civ editor11]

Yeah I'm just going to use the pic I have currently

 

[Musketeer935]

I don't know how I'd do that and I don't think i could find enough pics.
I don't get why it has to be consistent but I haven't used much from the movies

Thats true it would take a while and probably be hard; and it doesnt HAVE to be consistant but that would make it better/more proffesional

 

[civ editor11]

Okay I won't add many movie pics I'll only add them if they're only from the movies

 

[Musketeer935]

Im gonna see if I can figure out how to make LHs so maybe you wont need pics at all.
(yes, im using Ekmek's tutorial)

 

[civ editor11]

Just I have no idea and I don't have 3ds max, maya, or any of those programs. I just have blender which has no tutorials for leaderheads and i don't understand them anyways.
If you can do that it would be great.

 

[T_KCommanderbly]

ya i find blender extremely wierd to work with

 

[civ editor11]

I can't figure it out no matter how hard i try

 

[Musketeer935]

if u guys were wondering the tutorial and other downloads are here


But, ill try it out tomarrow.... maybe in a few days ill have a dooku LH.

 

[Kissamies]

Consistent leader graphics would be great, but don't sweat it.

 

[civ editor11]

We'll make them consistent. It is great that we're going to have 3d leadrheads.

 

[Musketeer935]

We'll make them consistent. It is great that we're going to have 3d leadrheads.

Im not sure if I can do it yet, i havnt gotten to the downloads, i have a busy weekend coming up. Itll prob be a while before i get anything done.

 

[Politus]

I'd suggest merging Imperial Remnant and Galactic Empire. There is no major difference between them aside from the fact that one was winning the war, and the other was after they started losing. They used the same tech, the same troops, and the same ships for the most part, allowing for technological advancement.

 

[Kissamies]

The main difference is the attitude and form of goverment, but those could easily be represented with different leaders. The main reason for separating them is to have different unit graphics for them.

For the purely historical and gameplay point of view, I'd see more sense in separating the Old Republic (as in before 1000 BBY) and Galactic Republic (seen in movies), but it's better to go with what models and stuff is available.

 

[Politus]

You forget, the way the governments are run in Civ 4 is determined by civics. The fact that TGE/TIR are run differently is a consequence of different circumstances necessitating different -that's right!- civics.

But yea, you could have Pellaeon as the IR leader for TGE. I like Pellaeon. He's cool. Plus, he has that mustache that just reeks of BAMF.

Anyhoo, regarding different unit graphics, it can be explained through pure tech advancement via Tech Tree, as they both used the same tech lines, both used Stormtroopers, both used Star Destroyers, both used TIE Fighters and their successors. As I said, the reasons you have brought up to distinguish between them are easily explained by the Civ 4 Civic System and advances in the Tech Tree. Even the Civ 3 (<3) Government system could explain it.

Edit: And with your suggestion of separating TOR and TGR, I again say that it's a matter of Civic changes and Technological Advancement. One could say that they went from Free religion, to Pacifism, then back to Free Religion over the course of its history.

 

[Kissamies]

You forget, the way the governments are run in Civ 4 is determined by civics. The fact that TGE/TIR are run differently is a consequence of different circumstances necessitating different -that's right!- civics.

Wasn't that what I was saying? You can have different leaders that have different preferred civics.

For TOR/TGR I was just saying that it would make more sense to separate them than the Empires. There's some thousands of years difference, some distinctive design style and a couple of clearer points of separation. Not saying it should be done, just comparing. Actually I think even the Rebel Alliance and New Republic have a clearer split. The Empire just sort of shrunk and eventually people started calling it the Remnant.

Nice point with the making advanced TIE variants available with better tech, but I should point out that the Empire's using cheap and expendable TIEs was pretty much a choice. Remnant started to use better stuff just not to be so wasteful with its manpower, I think. Still it's a good idea.

 

[Jawa'sRevenge]

I'd suggest merging Imperial Remnant and Galactic Empire. There is no major difference between them aside from the fact that one was winning the war, and the other was after they started losing. They used the same tech, the same troops, and the same ships for the most part, allowing for technological advancement.

No major difference!
The empire post Endor ceased to be the same empire, it was held together by the will power of a Sith, it was just a bunch of warlords scrambling for power, and later Thrawns empire, and even later peace with the New Republic. Does that sound like the same empire?

 

[Politus]

Yes it does. If Rome can still be Rome when it changes its civics, so can The Galactic Empire. Just because TGE started losing the war and had its head chopped off, doesn't mean that it's a different faction entirely. It means that it had an extreme lesson in restructuring a government. This is Civ 4, Civics and Diplomacy are both as fluid as you'd expect them to be.

 

[civ editor11]

I've found plenty of information him so i could have a good pedia entry, and have enough information to put him into the game