Civilizations

[Elda King]

Well, we can add Númenor as a civ, but keeping the 3 houses of the Edain as well. Gondor and Arnor should be or the same as Númenor, or the Exiled Dúnedain. They acted much in a joint way, and were later reunited by Aragorn. We could say they were a single kingdom, more like USA and Alaska, as the High King of Arnor teorically had the dominion over Gondor too, and create a different civic (like High Kingship, or the like) to represent their "independence".
And the Éotheod are the Rohirrim, but with an older name. Can change it to Rohirrim, probably it's better.

 

[thomas.berubeg]

Alright.

I need a defenitive list of civs.
somone please go over everythng we've said in this thread and make a list of what we're using.

thnaks

 

[Elda King]

Well, we'll keep all the old ones, and add the Vanyar, Númenor, the Exiles (what would be a good name for this civ? Exiled Numenoreans? Kingdom of Gondor and Arnor? Or simply The Exiles?), the Ironfists and Stiffbeards civ (dwarves), the Blacklocks and Stonefoots civ (dwarves too).
Pariah, you asked to design civs, so it's up to you. Of course, if you want, I may take it up, and I'll help with anything you want. It would be nice to have 3 leaders for Númenor and the Exiles, but the others only need 1; the traits of the mod are Aggressive, Protective, Creative, Philosophical, Seafaring, Creative, Expansive, Wise, Industrial, Financial, and Destructive (only for the Shadow). Also, we'll need to change the leaders for the Houses of the Edain - I'd say Haleth and Brandir for House of Haleth, Hador and Húrin for the House of Hador, and Bëor and Barahir for the House of Bëor.
Just a few more info about the Houses of the Dwarves: they are named only one time on Tolkien's works (except of course the Longbeards), in a essay called Of Dwarves and Men (published on the HoME serie). The essay also says all the houses lived in pairs, except the House of Durin wich lived alone, and that the Firebeards and Broadbeams lived in the Blue Mountains (they are already in the mod), and the others probably lived at least as far to the east as the distance between the Blue and Misty Mountains.

 

[thomas.berubeg]

Okay, Pariah, can you make a list of civs with leaders? (and traits if you can)

 

[Elda King]

I changed my mind, perhaps it would be better to have both Gondor and Arnor. Pariah, try to also think about other aspects, like possible city lists (specially for the dwarves), and whatever you can think of.

 

[thomas.berubeg]

also, we need flavor for the dwarves. what will one group be able to do that another can't, etc... that's to everyone out there.

 

[Elda King]

Well, that's hard... Maybe one of them should have more Easterling flavor (even perhaps Oliphaunts), while other hasn't so much link to mining and building (let's say, a dwarvish civ that concentrates on working wood).

 

[Pariah]

Okay, Pariah, can you make a list of civs with leaders? (and traits if you can)

Sorry for the late reply, I wan't online at all yesterday. (Blame the wife.) Will try to get it done by tomorrow evening.

the Houses of the Dwarves: they are named only one time on Tolkien's works (except of course the Longbeards), in a essay called Of Dwarves and Men (published on the HoME serie).

Does anyone have a link to some online summary of this aricle, if there is one?

 

[bob bobato]

Where are you going to get the cities for these civs? A lot of them don't even have 5 (Pukel Men, Dunedain...), so what are you going to do about those? Make cities up?

 

[Death900]

That sounds like the normal procedure ^^

 

[thomas.berubeg]

yeah, we'll probably have to make some up.

 

[Pariah]

Where are you going to get the cities for these civs? A lot of them don't even have 5 (Pukel Men, Dunedain...), so what are you going to do about those? Make cities up?

Find Tolkien role-playing websites which have more detailed maps or descriptions of various regions - the work of "Other Hands." The Dunlendings, for example, were developed further by some geek or other.

 

[Pariah]

OK guys: I'll finished edited the CIV4CivilzationInfos.xml file for all Elvish and Human civs, except the 3 Houses of the Edain. Not got around to the Dwarfish and Shadow civs yet.

I would prefer not to have less than 16 city names for each civ. Even using river and hill names for cities, and borrowing from every Tolkien fansite I can find, I'm having trouble finding 16 city names for:
Teleri
Falathrim
Beorians
Hadorians
Halethrim.

We will also need to decide on city and unit styles. The titles I've provisionally used in the file are: High Elvish, Low Elvish, High Mannish, Middle Mannish and Low Mannish.

BTW: I edited the file in WordPad, and it saved as a text document - which can't be uploaded to this website. How do I save it back to .xml format again?

 

[thomas.berubeg]

Oh, i've done the dunland civ, and i name that unit style Dunland (thier units are going to be different than, say easterlings)

i thought something like this
High elvish
Low elvish
Eastern Dwarves (perhapes with oliphaunts, as elda said)
"Moria Dwarves" (western dwarves)
Edain
Numenor
Gondor/Arnor
Rohirrim
Dunland
Easterling
Shadow

Alot of the units will crossover, though. (meaning Uruk-hai art will be used by both dunland and Shadow, or mumakil by dwarves and easterling.

Pariah, can you send me everything when your done?

 

[Elda King]

Great. About the city names, well, I used even different names of the same place to get enought names... And about the file, edit it in Altova's XMLSpy Home, it's free and much easier to work in than notepad, and reduces the overall number of bugs (I say so by my own experience, I did many mistakes while using notepad), and has some very useful options (including "Find text" and "Replace text").

 

[thomas.berubeg]

I use notepad++

 

[Love]

notepad++ is best.

 

[Pariah]

I use notepad++

Can it be downloaded?

These are my existing Civ summaries (I've cut out all the syntax and switching in the xml file).

*VANYAR
Adjective VANYA
PlayerColour WHITE
ArtStyleType HIGH_ELVISH
UnitArtStyleType HIGH_ELVISH

Cities:
TANIQUETIL
VALIMAR
SHINING PLAIN
CALACIRYA
AULË MANSIONS
YAVANNA FIELDS
NIENNA HALLS
LÓRIEN
MANDOS
OROMË WOODS
TOL ESTË
EZELLOHAR
FASKALEN
PELÓRI
ILMARIN
TARMENEL
HYARMENTIR
LAST SHORE

Leader: INGWË (Creative, Wise)
INDIS (Industrious, Financial).


*NOLDOR
Adjective NOLDO
PlayColour LIGHT_YELLOW
ArtStyleType HIGH_ELVISH
UnitArtStyleType HIGH_ELVISH

Cities:
TIRION
FORMENOS
MITHRIM
VINYAMAR
NARGOTHROND
GONDOLIN
HITHLUM
DORTHINION
HIMRING
MINAS TIRITH
THARGELION
AGLON
MAGLOR'S GAP
HIMLAD
ERED LÓMIN
ERED WETHRIN
MITHLOND
OST-IN-EDHIL
IMLADRIS

Leader: FËANOR (Creative, Aggressive)
FINGOLFIN (Protective, Expansive)
GALADRIEL (Philosphical, Wise).


*TELERI
Adjective: TELERIN
PlayerColour: LIGHT_BLUE
ArtStyleType: HIGH_ELVISH
UnitArtStyle: HIGH_ELVISH

Cities:
ALQUALONDË
AVALLÓNË
TOL ERESSËA
ELDAMAR
ELENDË
ARAMAN
AVATHAR
(9 more required)

Leader: OLWË (Seafaring, Creative).


*SINDAR
Adjective: SINDARIN
PlayerColour: LIGHT_GREY
ArtStyleType: HIGH_ELVISH
UnitArtStyleType: HIGH_ELVISH

Cities:
MENEGROTH
DORIATH
EGLADOR
SIRION VALE
NAN ELMOTH
NEVRAST
DIMBAR
EITHEL IVRIN
ANACH
ARD-GALEN
CELOS
CARAS GALADHON
LOTHLÓRIEN
CERIN AMROTH
ERYN LASGALEN
CELEBRANT FIELD
EAST LÓRIEN
ITHILIEN

Leader: ELU_THINGOL (Protective, Philosophical)
MELIAN (Creative, Protective).

*FALATHRIM
Adjective: FALATHRIM
PlayerColour: LIGHT_PURPLE
ArtStyleType: LOW_ELVISH
UnitArtStyleType: LOW_ELVISH

Cities:
BRITHOMBAR
EGLARAST
TOL BALAR
ARVENIEN
NIMBRETHIL
BARAD NIMRAS
NENNING
LINAEWEN
NAN-TATHREN
DRENGIST
FORLINDON
HARLINDON
(4 more required)

Leader: CÍRDAN (Seafaring, Financial).


*NANDOR
Adjective: NANDORIN
PlayerColour: LIGHT_GREEN
ArtStyleType: LOW_ELVISHUnitArtStyleType: LOW_ELVISH

Cities:
ANDUIN VALES
BELFALAS
OSSIRIAND
ASCAR
THALOS
LEGOLIN
BRILTHOR
DUILWENT
ADURANT
TALATH RHUNEN
TOL GALEN
GELION_VALE
LITTLE_GELION
AMON EREB
DOMETRIEH
EN EGLADHIL

Leader: LENWË (Expansive, Organised)
DENETHOR (Creative, Organised)


*AVARI
Adjective: AVARI
PlayerColour: MIDDLE_BROWN
ArtStyleType: LOW_ELVISH
UnitArtStyleType: LOW_ELVISH

Cities:
CUIVIÉNEN
HELCARTH
DURSULINOR
TAALIRAAN
THÛLONAR
IMALDAWATH
CÍMONÍEMOR
THARSITAUR
LUINDOR
AMIRAKH
KUORIND
AUZ AZUNAN
HAU NYSRIN
ELORNA
HELCAR SAEL
TAURONDE
KORONANDË
CALENTAUR
MAENA

Leader: THRANDUIL (Industrious, Protective).


*BËORIAN
Adjective: BËORIAN
PlayerColour: DARK_CYAN
ArtStyleType: MIDDLE-MANNISH
UnitArtStyleType: MIDDLE-MANNISH

Cities:
ESTOLAD
LADROS
NIBIN-NOGRIM
BRITHON
GLITHUI
RINGWIL
SNOWTHORN
TALATH DIRNEN
RIVIL
ARROSIACH
AELUIN
ANDRAM
(4 more required)

Leader: BËOR (Wise, Philosophical)
BARAHIR (Protective, Organised).


*HADORIAN
Adjective: HADORIAN
PlayerColour: LIGHT_CYAN
ArtStyleType: MIDDLE-MANNISH
UnitArtStyleType: MIDDLE-MANNISH

Cities: DOR-LÓMIN
CIRITH NINIATH
LAMMOTH
SERECH FEN
GALENROS
CIRITH CELEGORM
ENEDMOS
CILUMË
(8 more required)

Leader: HADOR LÓRINDOL (Aggressive, Protective)
HÚRIN (Aggressive, Organised).


*HALETHRIM
Adjective: HALETHRIM
PlayerColour: PEACH
ArtStyleType: MIDDLE-MANNISH
UnitArtStyleType: MIDDLE-MANNISH

Cities:
BRETHIL
EPHEL BRANDIR
TEIGLIN VALE
AMON OBEL
BRITHIACH
AELIN-UIAL
IANT IAUR
MALDUIN
(8 more required)

Leader: HALETH (Protective, Creative)
BRANDIR (Protective, Wise).


*NÚMENOR
Adjective: NÚMENOREAN
PlayerColor: DARK_BLUE
ArtStyleType: HIGH_MANNISH
UnitArtStyleType: HIGH_MANNISH<

Cities:
ARMENELOS
ELDALONDË
RÓMENNA
ANDÚNIË
SORONTIL
NINDAMOS
NOIRINAN
NÍSIMALDAR
ELDANNA BAY
EMERIË
FOROSTAR
ANDUSTAR
HYARNUSTAR
HYARROSTAR
ORROSTAR
ARANDOR
VINYALONDË
CALMINDON
ANBALUKKHÔR
ZADAN-AN-ADÛN
ARHAZÚN-TARÎK
AZRULÔNI
ALKATHÔNDA
TANTÛRAK
SARÛL

Leader: TAR-ALDARION (Seafaring, Expansive)
TAR-ANCALIMË (Creative, Financial)
AR-PHARAZÔN (Seafaring, Aggressive).


*ARNOR
Adjective: ARNOREAN
PlayerColour: PURPLE
ArtStyleType: HIGH_MANNISH
UnitArtStyleType: HIGH_MANNISH

Cities:
ANNÚMINAS
FORNOST
THARBAD
LOND DAER
AMON SÚL
ENEROND
MAENTHIROS
ELOSTIRION
TYRN GORTHAD
ARTHEDAIN
CARDOLAN
RHUDAUR
ARGOND
THAENDOR
BARAD GIRITHLIN
TALSIR
ERYN VORN
NENUIAL
EMYN UIAL
EMYN BERIAD
BREE
ARCHET
COMBE
STADDLE

Leader: ISILDUR (Expansive, Aggressive)
ARVEDUI (Protective, Industrious)
ARAGORN ELESSAR (Expansive, Philosophical).


*GONDOR
Adjective: GONDORIAN
PlayerColour: ORANGE
ArtStyleType: HIGH_MANNISH
UnitArtStyleType: HIGH_MANNISH

Cities:
OSGILIATH
MINAS ANOR
MINAS ITHIL
DOL AMROTH
ORTHANC
UMBAR
LINHIR
IMLOTH MELUI
CALEMBEL
ETHRING
PINNATH GELIN
CORMALLEN
LEBENNIN
EMYN ARNEN
PELENNOR
CAIR ANDROS
ANFALAS
LOND ERNIL
TOL FALAS
GLANHIR
BARAD HARN
HARONDOR

Leader: HYARMENDACIL (Aggressive, Seafaring)
ELDACAR (Protective, Industrious).


*NORTHMEN
Adjective: NORTHMEN
PlayerColour: LIGHT_BROWN
ArtStyleType: MIDDLE_MANNISH
UnitArtStyleType: MIDDLE_MANNISH

Cities:
CELDUIN PLAIN
CARNEN
ÉOTHÉOD
ESGAROTH
DALE
EAST RHOVANION
DORWINION
RHOSGOBEL
EAST BIGHT
LANGWELL
GREYLIN
LIMLIGHT
CARROCK
LONG LAKE
LOEG NIGLORON
BEORN HALL
OLD FORD
NINDALF
SARN GEBIR
PARTH GALEN

Leader: VIDUGAVI (Aggressive, Protective)
BARD (Financial, Creative).


*ROHAN
Adjective: ROHIRRIM
PlayerColour: MIDDLE_GREEN
ArtStyleType: MIDDLE_MANNISH
UnitArtStyleType: MIDDLE_MANNISH

Cities:
EDORAS
HORNBURG
DUNHARROW
EASTFOLD
WESTFOLD
WOLD
UNDERHARROW
UPBOURNE
CALENHAD
MIN-RIMON
ERELAS
NARDOL
DERNDINGLE
DOL BARAN
FOLDE
EAST EMNET
WEST EMNET
HELM'S DEEP
FENMARCH
HALIFIRIEN
FIRIENFIELD<
ENTWASH

Leader: EORL (Aggressive, Industrious)
HELM (Protective, Expansive)
THÉODEN (Aggressive, Wise).


*DUNLAND
Adjective: DUNLENDING
PlayerColour: LEMON
ArtStyleType: LOW_MANNISH
UnitArtStyleType: LOW_MANNISH

Cities:
ISENGARD
DUN LARACH
SÚDURI
ALCLUD
CARRAS
CAIRINN
CIRCINN
SMETRIU
FORTRIU
LUGIU
MAOLFINN
MAOLRUNAIDH
DAELMOTH
BARAD COLGRIN
DRÚWAITH IAUR
HARROWDALE
THRIHYNE
DWIMORBURG
METHEDRAS
STARKHORN
ANGREN VALE

Leader: WULF (Expansice, Financial)


*HARADRIM
Adjective: HARADRIM
PlayerColour: RED
ArtStyleType: LOW_MANNISH
UnitArtStyleType: LOW_MANNISH

Cities:
ÛREZÂYAN
AR SHULAM
KORLEA
NÎLÛLONDË
NARÎK-ZADAN
NYKKEA
HAZAJ_TOLLIN
TORATH
TELARÛD
BÛR ESMER
ZIMRÉNZIL
SAZ NEJJA
KHIBIL EPHALAK
URUD-AN_KHIBIL
AYAL KOYREN
ASAYT HOR
DEZFUL
TARKHESH
BÛR SAKAL
SORIYA
CARYALON
EMELCYN
MAIADH
VIERNAG

Leader: HERÚMOR (Aggressive, Financial)
ANGAMAITË (Seafaring, Financial).


*VARIAG
Adjective: VARIAG
PlayerColor: PINK
ArtStyleType: LOW_MANNISH
UnitArtStyleType: LOW_MANNISH

Cities:
STURLURTSA KHAND
KYZILKUM
AMMU KHAND
LAORKI
OVATHRAC
KORL CHELKAR
AMRÛN
KORONDAJ
FEAB
GIZAR
KAS AWCHEL
KRUK MAHUR
GOBEL ANCALIMON
MARASH
LAYOTANI
KRUK AZBANNA
TEREZE
PELEPELPLÛ
CHAJAPÛN
LODENÚLY

Leader: SANGAHYANDO (Aggressive, Industrious).


*EASTERLING
Adjective: EASTERLING
PlayerColor: DARK_YELLOW
ArtStyleType: LOW_MANNISH
UnitArtStyleType: LOW_MANNISH

Cities:
HILDÓRIEN
KYKURIAN KYN
LURS VORGANIS
LYGAW KRAW
CHEY SART
DALPYGIS
DHAHT
HEB AARAAN
ORGOTHRAATH
RELMETHER
ÛSTER KRYL
VAAG
ZYRAS
SIMOR
NHAAG
ARG-SÎMORÎG
KA'ISH
LÓCHAS DRÛS
RUURIIK
CUIVAC WÔMAW
GÔAK
WÔMAWAS DRÛS
RÔLFANDAS

Leader: ULFANG (Aggressive, Creative).

 

[thomas.berubeg]

yes to both.

Notepad++

 

[thomas.berubeg]

thanks i'll add those new ones in soon