CivVI & it's Upgrades…

[Alexander M Zoltai]

I bought Civ VI last week and worked through a few scenarios to re-introduce the Civ experience—used it many years ago—can't remember the Version…

So, I've purchased Gathering Storm & Rise and Fall also…

However, when I just began the game creation process, there was a drop-down menu with "Standard Rules", "Gathering Storm", and "Rise and Fall"…

I thought Gathering Storm and Rise and Fall "had" to be used separately………

When I clicked on Start Game, it showed me a few panels to cover the highlights of Gathering Storm; however………………………

It was also talking about Diplomatic Victories which, if I'm not mistaken, are in Rise and Fall…

So…

Question: Why pick one of either Gathering Storm or Rise and Fall if Both will apply…?

Another Question: Do both always apply once you've downloaded the upgrades…?

Explanations………?

 

[iammaxhailme]

They all build on top of the standard game. Rise and fall added new features, and then GS added more on top of that (not separately). It's not like Civ 4 where expansion packs are separate things.

Basically, just play under GS rules in order to have all the features.

 

[Alexander M Zoltai]

Basically, just play under GS rules in order to have all the features.

I tend to agree; but, why do they have a drop-down choice at the top of the create-a-game page that asks you to choose "Standard Rule" or "Gathering Storm" or "Rise and Fall"?

 

[bbbt]

It's a way to play only Rise and Fall rules after you own gathering storm without having to uninstall gathering storm. But I agree, I don't know how many people want that.

My guess is it was maybe originally planned for something more (or for modders)? That never quite gelled.

 

[Alexander M Zoltai]

It's a way to play only Rise and Fall rules after you own gathering storm without having to uninstall gathering storm. But I agree, I don't know how many people want that.

My guess is it was maybe originally planned for something more (or for modders)? That never quite gelled.

OK—now I'm fully confused—I thought you said selecting either option made both happen………?

 

[bbbt]

OK—now I'm fully confused—I thought you said selecting either option made both happen………?

Gathering Storm is the latest and would include everything in Rise and Fall, but not vice versa.

 

[Alexander M Zoltai]

Gathering Storm is the latest and would include everything in Rise and Fall, but not vice versa.

Very sorry; but, you words still make me wonder why there is a drop=down menu……… I must be an Idiot…

 

[ghost88]

Gathering Storm is the latest and would include everything in Rise and Fall, but not vice versa.

If you use Standard Rules you play with the original version of the game, if you play with the R&F rules you play with the original and R&F versions, if you play with the GS Rules you play with all three versions.

 

[bbbt]

Very sorry; but, you words still make me wonder why there is a drop=down menu……… I must be an Idiot…

No, I agree it doesn't serve much purpose.

 

[CPWimmer]

"Vanilla Rules" only includes the original rules from 2016
"Rise and Fall Rules" only includes the original rules, plus the rules added in Rise and Fall in 2018
"Gathering Storm Rules" include all of the rules (Original, plus Rise and Fall, plus Gathering Storm) and is the way most (all?) people who have both expansions play.

The key reason to own the Rise and Fall expansion (at this point in time, anyway) is that it gives you access to all of the Civilizations that came with that Expansion (Cree, Georgia, Korea, Mapuche, Mongolia, Netherlands, Scotland and Zulu plus Chandragupta as an alternate leader for India).

 

[Alexander M Zoltai]

If you use Standard Rules you play with the original version of the game, if you play with the R&F rules you play with the original and R&F versions, if you play with the GS Rules you play with all three versions.

I want to believe you; but, it is merely a drop=down menu with three choices—not the nuanced situations you've written……

"Vanilla Rules" only includes the original rules from 2016
"Rise and Fall Rules" only includes the original rules, plus the rules added in Rise and Fall in 2018
"Gathering Storm Rules" include all of the rules (Original, plus Rise and Fall, plus Gathering Storm) and is the way most (all?) people who have both expansions play.

The key reason to own the Rise and Fall expansion (at this point in time, anyway) is that it gives you access to all of the Civilizations that came with that Expansion (Cree, Georgia, Korea, Mapuche, Mongolia, Netherlands, Scotland and Zulu plus Chandragupta as an alternate leader for India).

Again—as I just told another fellow traveller, I want to believe what you say but wonder why the game creation page give No Hint of those differences—just three Bare choices—1, 2, or 3………

 

[CPWimmer]

Again—as I just told another fellow traveller, I want to believe what you say but wonder why the game creation page give No Hint of those differences—just three Bare choices—1, 2, or 3………

Because they are named after the expansion that they are available with.

"Gathering Storm" includes all of the rule mechanics that were introduced in Rise and Fall, but with additional changes. There is no such thing as a "Gathering Storm Ruleset" without things like Loyalty, Golden Ages, and Era Score that were all original introduced in the Rise and Fall Expansion.

I don't know any other way to describe it.

1. "Standard" (sorry, just opened my game looked at the drop down again, because I never change it) doesn't have those R&F things I mentioned above.
2. "Rise and Fall" has Loyalty, etc. but doesn't have Disasters and Diplomatic Victory, etc. that were introduced in "Gathering Storm"
3. "Gathering Storm" has all of the above.

It's that simple. Choose "Gathering Storm", you get everything, and will eventually learn to ignore that drop-down like the rest of us!

As to WHY the game doesn't tell you that? Well the easy answer is that (however much I LOVE this game) explaining things is certainly one of it's short-falls. I would ask you to just trust those of us who have been putting thousands of hours into this game over the past 3+ years that we know what we're saying.

Heck, that's why we're here on this forum! To help everyone through this journey, because the game sometimes needs our loving care to inform others when it often doesn't do a good job on it's own!

 

[Alexander M Zoltai]

Because they are named after the expansion that they are available with.

"Gathering Storm" includes all of the rule mechanics that were introduced in Rise and Fall, but with additional changes. There is no such thing as a "Gathering Storm Ruleset" without things like Loyalty, Golden Ages, and Era Score that were all original introduced in the Rise and Fall Expansion.

I don't know any other way to describe it.

1. "Standard" (sorry, just opened my game looked at the drop down again, because I never change it) doesn't have those R&F things I mentioned above.
2. "Rise and Fall" has Loyalty, etc. but doesn't have Disasters and Diplomatic Victory, etc. that were introduced in "Gathering Storm"
3. "Gathering Storm" has all of the above.

It's that simple. Choose "Gathering Storm", you get everything, and will eventually learn to ignore that drop-down like the rest of us!

As to WHY the game doesn't tell you that? Well the easy answer is that (however much I LOVE this game) explaining things is certainly one of it's short-falls. I would ask you to just trust those of us who have been putting thousands of hours into this game over the past 3+ years that we know what we're saying.

Heck, that's why we're here on this forum! To help everyone through this journey, because the game sometimes needs our loving care to inform others when it often doesn't do a good job on it's own!

COMPLETELY REASONABLE ANSWER—quite rare in my experience—Thank you………