Gelion
Retired Captain
@Taliesin: Great map!
Climate Change
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Reno
The Studio Ghibli Fanatic
storealex said:
Or German, if it's any consolation Stocholm is gone too along with a huge piece of western Swedish coast.
Reno
The Studio Ghibli Fanatic
I have some intresting maps from Rambuchan, regarding what would certain area's look like if the Polar Ice caps melted because of global warming. There are more map's but Rambuchan will post those when he can. 
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Houston
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At least the house I'm building will remain dry. Storealex, if you have a pretty sister, I could shelter her... 
On a second thought, I'm not sure my wife will agree.
On topic, their could be a kind of "swinging" effect.
If the ice melt, the salinity of the sea changes in surface because of the amount of fresh water in the sea.
This could stop the Gulf Stream. The result could be a new ice age; the sea will freeze again, create huge glaciers and ice pack, and reducing the level of the sea... And Eurotunnel shares will really be worth nothing
On a second thought, I'm not sure my wife will agree.On topic, their could be a kind of "swinging" effect.
If the ice melt, the salinity of the sea changes in surface because of the amount of fresh water in the sea.
This could stop the Gulf Stream. The result could be a new ice age; the sea will freeze again, create huge glaciers and ice pack, and reducing the level of the sea... And Eurotunnel shares will really be worth nothing
BasketCase
Username sez it all
Ooh, goodie, another global warming thread!
I had plenty of fun in the last one, so I'll just post this one thingy:
The story about a Gulf Stream shutdown causing another Ice Age is a myth. The Gulf Stream merely circulates heat around; if it shuts down, the heat simply doesn't get circulated. The amount of heat energy in the water must remain the same, and an Ice Age is impossible. The eastern U.S. and parts of Europe may get cooler; that's all.
Take a look at how moderate the west coast of the U.S. is--three thousand miles away from the Gulf Stream. There ya go.
I had plenty of fun in the last one, so I'll just post this one thingy:
The story about a Gulf Stream shutdown causing another Ice Age is a myth. The Gulf Stream merely circulates heat around; if it shuts down, the heat simply doesn't get circulated. The amount of heat energy in the water must remain the same, and an Ice Age is impossible. The eastern U.S. and parts of Europe may get cooler; that's all.
Take a look at how moderate the west coast of the U.S. is--three thousand miles away from the Gulf Stream. There ya go.
What does it prove exactly? Can you be more specific?BasketCase said:Ooh, goodie, another global warming thread!
Take a look at how moderate the west coast of the U.S. is--three thousand miles away from the Gulf Stream. There ya go.
Aphex_Twin
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I found this interesting java applet that simulates various sea levels:
http://merkel.zoneo.net/Topo/Applet/
But I didn't see anyone mentioning here that rising sea levels are a potential first in the series of disasters. Surprising as it might seem, a quick spell of global warming can bring about a long period of cooling.
Edit: Steph, didn't see your post
http://merkel.zoneo.net/Topo/Applet/
But I didn't see anyone mentioning here that rising sea levels are a potential first in the series of disasters. Surprising as it might seem, a quick spell of global warming can bring about a long period of cooling.
Edit: Steph, didn't see your post
Did you read my post?
BasketCase
Username sez it all
That you don't need the Gulf Stream to be warm and cozy. Simple proximity to oceans is a very strong moderator of climate.Steph said:
West coast of California has comfy and moderate weather. Move a few hundred miles to the east, into the deserts, and the weather becomes broiling hot during the day and drops to near-freezing at night. IN THE SAME STATE.
Compare what is comparable.
California is not at the same latitude as Western Europe.
It's at the same latitude as Morroco.
Western Europe (France, UK, Germany) are at the same latitude as Quebec.
The oceans have a moderation effect of climate, true. However, you can have a warm current, as the Gulf Stream, which give warm climate to France, while the east cost of the Canada, which is at the same latitude and also close to ocean, are not so warm and cozy, aren't they?
And in California, where you have deserts a few hundred miles to the east, you have comfy and moderate weather and the west coast of California, because of a cold current in the Paficic that transform your desert climate to a more moderate one.
So, you take some facts, and draw a conclusion from it... Problem is you don't look at the facts from the correct angle, forget some of them, and draw FALSE conclusions.
California is not at the same latitude as Western Europe.
It's at the same latitude as Morroco.
Western Europe (France, UK, Germany) are at the same latitude as Quebec.
The oceans have a moderation effect of climate, true. However, you can have a warm current, as the Gulf Stream, which give warm climate to France, while the east cost of the Canada, which is at the same latitude and also close to ocean, are not so warm and cozy, aren't they?
And in California, where you have deserts a few hundred miles to the east, you have comfy and moderate weather and the west coast of California, because of a cold current in the Paficic that transform your desert climate to a more moderate one.
So, you take some facts, and draw a conclusion from it... Problem is you don't look at the facts from the correct angle, forget some of them, and draw FALSE conclusions.
Cheetah
Deity
The point is that when the Gulf stream diappears, Norway and Sweden will turn into coastal siberia!
Sure, we're only 14 million people, but who will pay for all our moving?
Sure, we're only 14 million people, but who will pay for all our moving?
Reno
The Studio Ghibli Fanatic
Don't forget your old pal, Finland.
But seriously, if the Gulf Stream stops, all of Northern Europe will be uninhabitable.
Cheetah
Deity
Yes, I figured that was the first place to go. We're much like you, except that you can't talk.
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Now, as we're talking about climate changes:
I'm in Stavanger in Norway, on the southwest of Norway. Currently there are a few degrees over 20 Celsius here, but there is a FOG over the entire area, which means I almost can't see some mountains a few kilometers away!
This isn't some tropical area or India during the monsoon, it's Norway! On the same latitude as Tobolsk in Siberia, Anchorage in Alaska and Ungava in Quebec!
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Now, as we're talking about climate changes:
I'm in Stavanger in Norway, on the southwest of Norway. Currently there are a few degrees over 20 Celsius here, but there is a FOG over the entire area, which means I almost can't see some mountains a few kilometers away!
This isn't some tropical area or India during the monsoon, it's Norway! On the same latitude as Tobolsk in Siberia, Anchorage in Alaska and Ungava in Quebec!
farting bob
ThEy MaDe Me Do iT.
According to Rams map in the first post, i'll either be underwater, or if im lucky on a little island just above the water. No sea defences can stop the constant sea level rising, and even if all polluting stopped today, the earth would continue to heat up for about 100 years. The damage is done IMO, and even though we are now trying to cut back, it is only delaying the inevitable rise in sea levels, much more extreme climates, and the possibility of Il nino stopping, and resulting in the day after tomorrow. (although less hollywood like)
Gelion
Retired Captain
Some good info from BBC: (basic stuff really)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/sci_nat/04/climate_change/html/climate.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/sci_nat/04/climate_change/html/climate.stm
BasketCase
Username sez it all
My current residence is at the same latitude as California. Two months ago (in MAY) I was getting snowed on. California was not.Steph said:
Many inland areas of the United States are like that. Summer is hotter and winter is colder. For exactly one reason: because we're far from the strong insulating effect of the ocean.
On the British Isles and in much of Europe, you can't get very far from the ocean. Until you get east into deep Russia. Take a peek at how snowed-under it gets out there.
Water has a very high specific heat; it takes a lot of energy to warm it a small amount, and it holds onto that energy. During the day, the oceans are cooler than the shore is, until late afternoon when the water has lots of heat in it, and the oceans are then warmer at night. The oceans are wonderful moderators.
You're the one drawing false conclusions; you MUST believe global warming is a threat at any cost, and any evidence to the contrary must be crushed. Stay tuned, I'm gonna start up a new thread to demonstrate how common this is. (Hell, I used to do it myself)
