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DENOUNCING!
If so people would wine about how lazy they are reusing the old stuff. They can't win.
The quote was actually re-used from Civ IV if I recall. Great line though.
If so people would wine about how lazy they are reusing the old stuff. They can't win.
See here: https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/quote-supplementation-replacement-interest.606344/I had already turned off the ingame speech since it was annoying hearing the same stuff over and over, but if the quotes are wrong as well I guess I'm doubly glad I did it.
Anyone working on a quote mod?
So is this is .....sarcasm? If not I apologize.
Thanks for the clarification. All I knew about him was that he is/was in Game of Thrones, but I don't watch the show.It's a reference, actually. If Sean Bean is in a movie, his character has a tendency to die before the end. (He doesn't even make it through the Civilization VI intro video.)
Another issue with the introductory texts is the quote introduction the ancient era: "From the first stirrings of life beneath water... to the great beasts of the Stone Age... to man taking his first upright steps."
As I and many others have pointed out, this is not ordered correctly. Bipedalism (~4 million years ago, maybe a little earlier) predates stone tools (~2.5 million years ago, maybe a little earlier). I cringe whenever I start a game and hear this quote indicating otherwise.
I may be wrong, but I saw this as even worse. The 'great beasts' would be more appropriately applied to dinosaurs (specifically Sauropods) and therefore it's the use of "stone age" that is the issue.
I'm pretty sure this exact issue has already been covered. I could be confusing threads, though. Maybe it was raised elsewhere, and not here, hah.Another issue with the introductory texts is the quote introduction the ancient era: "From the first stirrings of life beneath water... to the great beasts of the Stone Age... to man taking his first upright steps."
As I and many others have pointed out, this is not ordered correctly. Bipedalism (~4 million years ago, maybe a little earlier) predates stone tools (~2.5 million years ago, maybe a little earlier). I cringe whenever I start a game and hear this quote indicating otherwise.
Is this a very minor complaint? Yes. Should Civ have gotten it right anyway? Yes.
homo habilis was already bipedal though, and homo erectus before him as the name indicates.I'm pretty sure this exact issue has already been covered. I could be confusing threads, though. Maybe it was raised elsewhere, and not here, hah.
That said it depends on what you class as upright steps. In historical terms, homini ancestors were capable of using stone tools, and Wikipedia defines the Stone Age as dating back some 3.4 billion years or so (I'm sure it's sourced, so I wouldn't worry) and has records of homo habilis (and ancestors thereof) listed. So, upright steps would most definitely come after this stage in our evolution.
It's a contestable topic (apparently the "homo" in homo habilis has long been debated, which is fascinating. My interest in paleontology was predictably from the earlier eras; the dinosaurs fascinate most children, right? I studied extensively with the aim of majoring in Archeology but homini ancestry was never my focus), so I would be very careful with what you expect Firaxis to get right.
I'm sure you meant MILLION years ago here then, if you majored in archaeology. I always assumed they referred to Pleistocene megafauna with the "great beasts of the stone age", as nothing else would make sense. Unless Firaxis have creationist agents among them.In historical terms, homini ancestors were capable of using stone tools, and Wikipedia defines the Stone Age as dating back some 3.4 billion years or so (I'm sure it's sourced, so I wouldn't worry)
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I studied extensively with the aim of majoring in Archeology but homini ancestry was never my focus)
But still, I don't think lions qualify as "great beasts". In any case there is no easy way to say whether "great beasts of the stone age" came before or after "man's first upright steps", whereas the "first beginnings of life" clearly happened aeons earlier. Therefore the earlier and greater beasts would make more sense in every way, with man's upright steps coming last.Well aurochs, megatheriums, mammoth, rhinos, cave lions would all qualify as great beasts, and they were all present in temperate areas during the stone age. These were all megafauna that was contemporary to neanderthals and homo sapiens, and went extinct later. There were still lions in Europe during the classical era.
Haha. I started in computer science and changed to archaeology. Slight regret when it comes to work and pay though. Oh well. I guess sabre-toothed cats goes under megafauna anyway.And I was greatly into the original Civilisation back in the day. That said, I sadly didn't progress with the aim; I ended up in Computer Science (...) Funny how it works out!