Confederate States of America in WWIII

[bombshoo]

I was just thinking about it, and made a fictional timeline on what could happen, I know some stuff might seem illogical, and some doesn't make any since, but it was for fun..Say whats wrong or stupid and I won't be insulted, also post what you think might have happened.




----1865---Confederates win American Civil War

---1866---Missouri, Maryland, and Kentucky join the South

---1873---Alaska sold to Japan, instead of war weary United States

---1880---Slavery abolished from pressure from Britian and France of Embargos

---1900---To make up for loss of slavery Cuba and Chihuawa province of Mexico annexed, Oil discovered in Texas

---1917---WWI, Confederates join Britian, United States, and France, receives Namibia from Germany in Africa and rename it Confederate-East Africa

---1922---Great Depression hits, racial extemist hit new height in power since independance

---1936---Confederates sign pact with Italy and Germany forming the Rome-Berlin-Richmond Axis

---1938---Japan added to the Axis pact

---1939---WWII starts in Europe

---1941---Japan Bombs pearl harbor, attacks Canada from Alaska, and Confederates take over the Jamaica and the Bahamas and Mexico, and declare war on the Union. British invade Confederate East Africa

---1942---Confederates march passed the Ohio River taking Cincinatti and seige Columbus Ohio, and Chicago in the Illinois. Washington D.C. captured.

---1943---Japan advances on California, Confederates take Arizona, Utah, and New Mexico, seige of Chicago end ins Confederate Victory

---1944--Mormon partisans take back Utah, Japanese defeated at the Battle of Monterray and are push back into Alaska, and joined by Canadians in taking it. USA Troops are shipped into the Pacific.

---1945---Confederates cannot take Columbus, begaining the start of their collapse. Maryland, Kentucky, and Missouri captured by Union. Flordia, Cuba, Jamaica, Mexico, and Bahamas taken by British.

---1946---American forces advancd from Ohio and Illinois and retake D.C. and march on Richmond. Confederacy surrdenders. Americans and British start D Day.

---1947---Russia takes Germany from the east, Britian and America from the West. A-Bomb is dropped on Heidleburg,Germany, and Nagasaki and Hiroshima in Japan. Hitler commits suicide. WWII Ends

 

[stalin006]

sounds like the timeline of turtledove's books.

and your title says "wwIII', not WWII

 

[bombshoo]

Oops thanks for catching that

 

[Immortal]

Yeah, go check out harry Turtledove's Civil war series, sounds like you would very much enjoy it.

 

[Amenhotep7]

So... WWII ends EXACTLY the same way? How could you be so sure? I know it is uchronia, but...

 

[bombshoo]

Not exactly...It takes 2 more years, and Germany gets A-Bombed.

Basically the point is, that racism and fascistism would lead to an axis collapse no matter what. It kept them from obtaining an atomic bomb, it wasted energy and money that could be used on military too capture jews (and in this case probaly blacks too) It is just a system of goverment that doesn't work for a very long time.

There would have probaly 15 million more deaths if this were to happen also..thats not the same.

The Confederacy would probaly have collapsed if they couldn't hold onto Ohio and West Virginia for iron. It takes more then oil and cotton to run a military.

 

[Warman17]

that 2 years would prolly mean a german victory or at least a cease fire. Germany would have developed long range bombers, jet fighters etc and mass produce them. It would have cost the allies much more in men and material. Germany prolly would fall still, but it'd be much more costly.

 

[Al Zan]

Too what ifs on the civil war!
None on WW1 what if.Like if Germany won the war and Ottomans won back some of their lost land!

 

[mrmitchell]

---1880---Slavery abolished from pressure from Britian and France of Embargos

Seriously? In the South?

That's got to be a joke

 

[Immortal]

I dunno if it would have been abolished that soon. But sooner or later it would have been.

 

[mrmitchell]

I dunno if it would have been abolished that soon. But sooner or later it would have been.

I give it at least a half-century.

1860s South was ruled by plantation owners--the ones who owned all the slaves. For abolition to be fulfilled, at the very least, the plantation owners would have had to fall out of power. Given their huge economic wealth, that would take a long, long time.

 

[Amenhotep7]

I guess you're right bombshoo...

Hey! If you want an idea for another alternate timeline, what if the Ottomans hadn't lost the battle of Vienna?

 

[bombshoo]

I think Britian and France, the south's biggest market, refused to buy from them, it would be abolished, but the blacks in the country would still probaly be forced to work on the feilds since there was really no other jobs. Many would try to flee north, and weather or not the Union would let them in I don't know.

Also I once made a scenario for this, where Tamerlane had completly defeated the Ottomans then set in 1914. I planned out the entire chain reaction, which just for some of the consequences created a union of Britian and France, a colonial power Byzantine Empire, and Spanish Habsburg territories still in exsitance. I have a map for it...I should post it.'


Al zan: I might look into more later, but maybe we would end up with a reversal of roles, and a fascist France and England....

 

[mrmitchell]

I think Britian and France, the south's biggest market, refused to buy from them, it would be abolished, but the blacks in the country would still probaly be forced to work on the feilds since there was really no other jobs. Many would try to flee north, and weather or not the Union would let them in I don't know.

1) Again, I'll just say that I doubt it. Britain and France both had valuable goods to get from the South--namely Cotton--and given the typical expansion it would have, probably more by the year listed. Abolition would have to come from within, and it would, but over many more years than by 1880.
2) Yes, they'd work the fields, just like in real life, with sharecropping.
3) Of course the North would let them in. Unless there was the threat of further Confederate retaliation.

 

[Al Zan]

I guess you're right bombshoo...

Hey! If you want an idea for another alternate timeline, what if the Ottomans hadn't lost the battle of Vienna?

I am a Ottoman Fan so i have thought it out.
The Ottoman would have hit there limit after Vienna.They woud need a good Sultan to rule the vast Empire.I will work out something for a good timeline.

 

[Sheep]

I the tuturledove series, USA is part of the WW1 Central Powers they win WW1 and then the Allied Powers swing radically to the right or left in the case of Russia.

It remains to be seen if Fetherston wins the next big war that begins at the end of the Victorous Opposition.

 

[Sheep]

Seriously? In the South?

That's got to be a joke

About the slavery thing. The CSA would of wanted a western coastline so it didnt have to rely on the USA for Pacific shipments. This is one thing I agree with the Turtultedove books where the USA and CSA go to wara again in the 1880's. The British and French help the CSA and the USA loses. However for their help the British and French demand that the CSA abolish slavery through the Manumission Act.

 

[Amenhotep7]

@bombshoo-

Yes, please post!

Oh, and the BAttle of Vienna is credited for stopping Ottoman advance into Europe in 1683 AD. After that battle, the Ottomans began a slow but steady decline until they were eliminated at the end of World War One. It was about 13,000 Europeans versus 140,000 Turks. HAd the Ottomans won, much of Europe would have become Islamic, I'm sure, affecting the entire period of colonialism and the modern world!

 

[Ace]

If the Confederacy had won the Civil War, slavery would still have been abolished. It was a system based on economics and the cotton plantations needed lots of manual labor to pick cotton, but as industralization and mechanization overtook the world, the need for slave labor would have disappeared and the thing would have died of its own weight. The cotton gin, the motorized tractor and cotton picker would have ended slavery as surely as the Union victory did in the Civil War. No plantation owner in going to spend the money necessary to maintain hundreds of slaves when he can buy a tractor and the other inventions that all save labor.

Case in point. The unions have been fighting automation for 50 plus years because machines replace men (ok, men and women) in the workplace.

 

[Quasar1011]

---1917---WWI, Confederates join Britian, United States, and France, receives Namibia from Germany in Africa and rename it Confederate-East Africa

Namibia is in Southwest Africa. You must have left out that Confederate schools of that time did not teach geography well.