Constitution Discussion: Article D, Executive Branch

[Epimethius]

A simple way to do the poll would be:

-Traditional 5 Minister System (Internal, Foreign, Trade & Tech, Military, and Finance)
-Epimethius' 7 Minister System (Domestic, Trade, Military, Tech, Foreign, and Culture)
-Abstain

There are also a number of other issues buried within the thread, which we should poll on.

 

[DaveShack]

A simple way to do the poll would be:

-Epimethius' 7 Minister System (Domestic, Trade, Military, Tech, Foreign, and Culture)

I only counted 6?

 

[DaveShack]

There are also a number of other issues buried within the thread, which we should poll on.

If you can identify the specific issues you would like polled, it will simplify matters and make sure everyone's issues are handled.

 

[Sarevok]

I only counted 6?

As did I

 

[Black_Hole]

As did I

i thought it was because i was tired last night... but i guess not...

 

[GenMarshall]

What's traditional here? In DG4 the governors weren't part of the executive branch, because they started in the Senate. I still believe governors should not be part of the executive branch. In my opinion they functioned well in DG4 after the Senate was dissolved. Why not have a 'formal' Senate, where governors discuss where to build wonders and stuff, and don't have to care about financial matters?

I thought the govenors were part of the legistlative department . Anyway, I beleve we should keep the govenors. Any small province that does not meet the requierments for a govenor (due to city quantity) or if there are no govenors appointed or elected to the province then the province can be controled by the domestic department like it had done in the past demogames.

 

[Immortal]

Proposed Article D Ratification Poll:

Article D.  The Executive branch is responsible for determining 
            and implementing the will of the People. It is headed
            by the President who shall be the primary Designated 
            Player. The President shall take direction from a 
            council of leaders and from other elected and appointed 
            officials via the turnchat instruction thread. The President
            shall be tasked with control of worker actions.
              1.  The Minister of Domestic Affairs shall be 
                  responsible for all domestic initiatives, as well as
                  the distribution of funds, as prescribed by law.
              2.  The Minister of Foreign Affairs shall be responsible
                  for matters involving treaties with foreign nations, 
                  as prescribed by law.
              3.  The Minister of Defense shall be responsible for all
                  military strategy and troop activities, as 
                  prescribed by law.
              4.  The Minister of Trade shall be responsible for all 
                  trade, domestic and foreign, and the use of resources,
                  as perscibed by law.
              5.  The Misister of Technology shall be 
                  responsible for all tech acquisition, as prescribed by law.
              6.  The Minister of Culture shall be responsible for the
                  keeping of the peace and the construction of wonders.

 

[Noldodan]

I think we need to have a poll on where Governors fit in before we wirte up the article for the Executive Branch. After all, if it turns out we want them in the Executive Branch, we'll need to change the article a bit, won't we?

 

[Donovan Zoi]

Better to rename the Minister of Technology to Minister of Science. That's what the premature noms thread is calling it, so it should be done. . Besides then it matches exactly the Civ Advisor screens.

 

[Donovan Zoi]

We don't want Governors in the Executive Branch(ok, at least I don't). The Executive Branch represents the nation while the Governors represent the provinces(states). That aspect alone should be enough to continue this long-standing separation.

 

[Immortal]

Noldodan the governors should NEVER be part of the executive.

 

[Noldodan]

Noldodan the governors should NEVER be part of the executive.

No, no, I agree, I agree. It's just that there has been considerable support for them to move to the Executive. So if an article is written before the poll is done, I expect there to be an outcry.

 

[Falcon02]

Okay Domestic Affairs needs to be expanded IMHO

1. The Minister of Domestic Affairs shall be
responsible for all domestic initiatives, such as
directing workers for building infrastructure, as well as
the distribution of funds, as prescribed by law.

 

[Donovan Zoi]

Actually, control of worker actions need to be notated somewhere in our Constitution, athough I believe that responsibility should lie with the President/DP(not the DM).

 

[Cyc]

Actually, I voted for the Governors to control the Workers, but I would say the President/DP before the DM.

 

[Immortal]

The President shall take direction from a
council of leaders and from other elected and appointed
officials via the turnchat instruction thread.

Add the phrase "The President shall be tasked with the control of worker actions"?

 

[Falcon02]

I could agree to that

I'm against giving that power to the Governors, but the President is fine.
EDIT: Though Designated Player is too broad.

 

[Cyc]

That's good for me, anyway. It would definitely cover the Workers.

 

[Immortal]

The change has been made in the original proposal.

 

[DaveShack]

Here's what I would like in terms of worker control. Unfortunately it's a bit cumbersome, but maybe some of my esteemed colleagues in the proposed laws author's guild can come up with a way to say it elegantly.

• Domestic / Internal Affairs should control how workers are assigned to provinces, so that national priorities are balanced
• Governors (with help of mayors and citizens) should control what improvements are done to each tile and provide an indication of their preferred order of completion
• President / DP is responsible for the actual assignment of tasks to workers, and the final ordering of how tasks are done to maximize productivity.