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Constitution Discussion: Article D, Executive Branch

Discussion in 'Civ3 - Demo Game V: Citizens' started by DaveShack, Jun 30, 2004.

  1. Epimethius

    Epimethius Wish I Hadn't Been Here

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    A simple way to do the poll would be:

    -Traditional 5 Minister System (Internal, Foreign, Trade & Tech, Military, and Finance)
    -Epimethius' 7 Minister System (Domestic, Trade, Military, Tech, Foreign, and Culture)
    -Abstain

    There are also a number of other issues buried within the thread, which we should poll on.
     
  2. DaveShack

    DaveShack Inventor Retired Moderator

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    I only counted 6?
    :confused:
     
  3. DaveShack

    DaveShack Inventor Retired Moderator

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    If you can identify the specific issues you would like polled, it will simplify matters and make sure everyone's issues are handled.
     
  4. Sarevok

    Sarevok Civ3 Scenario Creator

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  5. Black_Hole

    Black_Hole Deity

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    i thought it was because i was tired last night... but i guess not...
     
  6. GenMarshall

    GenMarshall Night Elven Ghost Agent

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    I thought the govenors were part of the legistlative department :confused:. Anyway, I beleve we should keep the govenors. Any small province that does not meet the requierments for a govenor (due to city quantity) or if there are no govenors appointed or elected to the province then the province can be controled by the domestic department like it had done in the past demogames.
     
  7. Immortal

    Immortal Deity

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    Proposed Article D Ratification Poll:
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    Article D.  The Executive branch is responsible for determining 
                and implementing the will of the People. It is headed
                by the President who shall be the primary Designated 
                Player. The President shall take direction from a 
                council of leaders and from other elected and appointed 
                officials via the turnchat instruction thread. The President
                shall be tasked with control of worker actions.
                  1.  The Minister of Domestic Affairs shall be 
                      responsible for all domestic initiatives, as well as
                      the distribution of funds, as prescribed by law.
                  2.  The Minister of Foreign Affairs shall be responsible
                      for matters involving treaties with foreign nations, 
                      as prescribed by law.
                  3.  The Minister of Defense shall be responsible for all
                      military strategy and troop activities, as 
                      prescribed by law.
                  4.  The Minister of Trade shall be responsible for all 
                      trade, domestic and foreign, and the use of resources,
                      as perscibed by law.
                  5.  The Misister of Technology shall be 
                      responsible for all tech acquisition, as prescribed by law.
                  6.  The Minister of Culture shall be responsible for the
                      keeping of the peace and the construction of wonders.
    
    
     
  8. Noldodan

    Noldodan 2 years of waiting...

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    I think we need to have a poll on where Governors fit in before we wirte up the article for the Executive Branch. After all, if it turns out we want them in the Executive Branch, we'll need to change the article a bit, won't we?
     
  9. Donovan Zoi

    Donovan Zoi The Return

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    Better to rename the Minister of Technology to Minister of Science. That's what the premature noms thread is calling it, so it should be done. ;). Besides then it matches exactly the Civ Advisor screens.
     
  10. Donovan Zoi

    Donovan Zoi The Return

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    We don't want Governors in the Executive Branch(ok, at least I don't). The Executive Branch represents the nation while the Governors represent the provinces(states). That aspect alone should be enough to continue this long-standing separation.
     
  11. Immortal

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    Noldodan the governors should NEVER be part of the executive.
     
  12. Noldodan

    Noldodan 2 years of waiting...

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    No, no, I agree, I agree. It's just that there has been considerable support for them to move to the Executive. So if an article is written before the poll is done, I expect there to be an outcry.
     
  13. Falcon02

    Falcon02 General

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    Okay Domestic Affairs needs to be expanded IMHO

     
  14. Donovan Zoi

    Donovan Zoi The Return

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    Actually, control of worker actions need to be notated somewhere in our Constitution, athough I believe that responsibility should lie with the President/DP(not the DM).
     
  15. Cyc

    Cyc Looking for the door...

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    Actually, I voted for the Governors to control the Workers, but I would say the President/DP before the DM.
     
  16. Immortal

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    Add the phrase "The President shall be tasked with the control of worker actions"?
     
  17. Falcon02

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    I could agree to that

    I'm against giving that power to the Governors, but the President is fine.
    EDIT: Though Designated Player is too broad.
     
  18. Cyc

    Cyc Looking for the door...

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    That's good for me, anyway. It would definitely cover the Workers.
     
  19. Immortal

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    The change has been made in the original proposal.
     
  20. DaveShack

    DaveShack Inventor Retired Moderator

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    Here's what I would like in terms of worker control. Unfortunately it's a bit cumbersome, but maybe some of my esteemed colleagues in the proposed laws author's guild can come up with a way to say it elegantly.

    • Domestic / Internal Affairs should control how workers are assigned to provinces, so that national priorities are balanced
    • Governors (with help of mayors and citizens) should control what improvements are done to each tile and provide an indication of their preferred order of completion
    • President / DP is responsible for the actual assignment of tasks to workers, and the final ordering of how tasks are done to maximize productivity.
     

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