Cool Guns

[Cutlass]

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=317760&highlight=guns thread was done just a few months ago.

 

[Bill3000]

 

[The Enigma]

One badass sniper rifle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWJp14tkBlU

 

[Bobbtjoe]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpZmVp6moZg

 

[Joecoolyo]

The gun in the right hand corner that did that is the coolest weapon IMO .

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

Hm, looks weak give me a FAMAS anyday!

Or, soon to be replacing the M16 as the assault rifle, introducing the M4A1

Why do you dislike accuracy?

 

[bigdog5994]

M4 is not accurate??

 

[SS-18 ICBM]

Nothing says "you are screwed" like a salvo of 40mm grenades.

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

M4 is not accurate??

Of course not. Its a close combat weapon with inferior ballistics to the already crappy M-16. Beyond 150 yards your likelyhood of hitting something is much smaller than even notoriously innacturate rifles like the AKMS.

 

[cardgame]

The gun in the right hand corner that did that is the coolest weapon IMO .

There's a game called Atomic Cannon (Worms style game, but with tanks) (it's really cool) that uses that as its background

And the M4A1 is very accurate for its intended range (urban combat), of course it's not going to be as accurate as a rifle designed for longer ranges.

 

[bhsup]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpZmVp6moZg

I had to quit watching after a few seconds due to the hideous music, but the first one shown before I quit watching really didn't appeal to me.

 

[SS-18 ICBM]

There is a reason for volume control.

 

[Elkad]

Of course not. Its a close combat weapon with inferior ballistics to the already crappy M-16. Beyond 150 yards your likelyhood of hitting something is much smaller than even notoriously innacturate rifles like the AKMS.

Care to stand at 500m and let me shoot it at you then? Even with military ammo it probably shoots 5MOA just fine. (a M16A2 is about 2MOA on military ammo, 1 on good stuff). At 500m, 5MOA is a 25inch circle. Can I miss you? You bet. But odds say I'll hit you by the 3rd round or so. With better ammo it shoots 2MOA. That's hitting a paper plate (or a head) at 500m with every shot. Probably well beyond the capabilities of 90% of the people holding it.

A M16A2 has plenty of issues, but accuracy was never one of them. 18yrs ago I could hit a running target at 600m with confidence. Yeah, it took 5rnds rapid to do it. So what? Even if the first round hit I was gonna keep squeezing till the target went away.

 

[Mad Man]

Where's perfection when you need him...

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=317760

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=317760&highlight=guns thread was done just a few months ago.

sigh...at least someone remembers my first thread, but nevertheless I approve of this thread just as long the discussion continues.

 

[Mad Man]

My top 10 Shotguns!

10.Stoger Uplander
9.Mag 7
8.Charles Daly 1887 Lever Action
7.StrikerView attachment Striker.bmp
6.Benelli M4
5.AT-14
4.Ithaca 37
3.Remington 870
2.SPAS12
1.Siaga12

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

Care to stand at 500m and let me shoot it at you then?

If you have the time and patience, you can hit targets up to a mile away with most guns. But that doesn't matter in combat, where you don't have that luxury, much less on a moving target. And even then, beyond about 300 yards with a 5.56mm you're not going to have significant stopping power to bring a person down unless you connect with a vital spot; if they have any sort of armor they'll probably collapse in laughter at your punily weak shot.

Even with military ammo it probably shoots 5MOA just fine. (a M16A2 is about 2MOA on military ammo, 1 on good stuff). At 500m, 5MOA is a 25inch circle. Can I miss you? You bet. But odds say I'll hit you by the 3rd round or so.

Unless you connect with a vital spot, it doesn't really matter, does it? 5.56 is weak with bad stopping power and a small wound. You quite simply HAVE to hit me more than once. As acknowledged by you, that could take several rounds for only a single bullet. But then you have to hit me again to kill me, and perhaps even several more times. Will I be hurting? Yes, but I'm still very much alive unless your shot got lucky.

7.62 is much safer; a single connecting shot, especially from a long bullet like an M14's, is much more likely to bring a target down.

With better ammo it shoots 2MOA. That's hitting a paper plate (or a head) at 500m with every shot. Probably well beyond the capabilities of 90% of the people holding it.

But who ever has that time and luxury when it actually matters? To borrow Han Solo's line: "good against remotes is one thing; good against the living, now that's something else."

A M16A2 has plenty of issues, but accuracy was never one of them. 18yrs ago I could hit a running target at 600m with confidence. Yeah, it took 5rnds rapid to do it. So what? Even if the first round hit I was gonna keep squeezing till the target went away.

Your target probably never died, then. So quite frankly, who cares?

You should also remember that my earlier comment was about the M4 carbine.

 

[bhsup]

Your target probably never died, then. So quite frankly, who cares?

Which is actually pretty awesome, because in addition to taking that one wounded enemy out of the picture, you also have others that now have to take the time to get the wounded out of the battlefield, treat him, etc. More resource depletion.

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

Or the guy stays alive to come shoot yours or your buddy's ass in a few minutes.