Could banning pointy knives reduce crime in long term?

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This just in from the BBC:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4581871.stm said:
A&E doctors are calling for a ban on long pointed kitchen knives to reduce deaths from stabbing.

A team from West Middlesex University Hospital said violent crime is on the increase - and kitchen knives are used in as many as half of all stabbings. They argued many assaults are committed impulsively, prompted by alcohol and drugs, and a kitchen knife often makes an all too available weapon. The research is published in the British Medical Journal. The researchers said there was no reason for long pointed knives to be publicly available at all. They consulted 10 top chefs from around the UK, and found such knives have little practical value in the kitchen. None of the chefs felt such knives were essential, since the point of a short blade was just as useful when a sharp end was needed. The researchers said a short pointed knife may cause a substantial superficial wound if used in an assault - but is unlikely to penetrate to inner organs. In contrast, a pointed long blade pierces the body like "cutting into a ripe melon".

The use of knives is particularly worrying amongst adolescents, say the researchers, reporting that 24% of 16-year-olds have been shown to carry weapons, primarily knives. The study found links between easy access to domestic knives and violent assault are long established. French laws in the 17th century decreed that the tips of table and street knives be ground smooth. A century later, forks and blunt-ended table knives were introduced in the UK in an effort to reduce injuries during arguments in public eating houses. The researchers say legislation to ban the sale of long pointed knives would be a key step in the fight against violent crime.

"The Home Office is looking for ways to reduce knife crime.

"We suggest that banning the sale of long pointed knives is a sensible and practical measure that would have this effect."

Government response

Home Office spokesperson said there were already extensive restrictions in place to control the sale and possession of knives.

"The law already prohibits the possession of offensive weapons in a public place, and the possession of knives in public without good reason or lawful authority, with the exception of a folding pocket knife with a blade not exceeding three inches.

"Offensive weapons are defined as any weapon designed or adapted to cause injury, or intended by the person possessing them to do so.

"An individual has to demonstrate that he had good reason to possess a knife, for example for fishing, other sporting purposes or as part of his profession (e.g. a chef) in a public place.

"The manufacture, sale and importation of 17 bladed, pointed and other offensive weapons have been banned, in addition to flick knives and gravity knives."

A spokesperson for the Association of Chief Police Officers said: "ACPO supports any move to reduce the number of knife related incidents, however, it is important to consider the practicalities of enforcing such changes."

Now, far be it from me (who doesn't think bazookas should be illegal) to wonder about whether big knives are a public health threat, but does anyone here think that the sale or ownership of long pointy knives should be made a crime?
 
The Last Conformist said:
Unlike bazookas, long pointy knives have plenty of legitimate uses.

What next, banning blunt objects that could be utilized as clubs? Ban feet?

Article said:
They consulted 10 top chefs from around the UK, and found such knives have little practical value in the kitchen. None of the chefs felt such knives were essential, since the point of a short blade was just as useful when a sharp end was needed.

Ten chefs said they weren't essential, isn't that enough for you? ;)
 
The Last Conformist said:
Who cares about chefs? :p I have got uses for long knives.

You're obviously evil, though, so you don't count. :p
 
The Last Conformist said:
Considering this is England, I think we can take for granted that the chefs are evil too.
From what I hear, anyone who's eaten British food will attest to that.
 
The Last Conformist said:
Considering this is England, I think we can take for granted that the chefs are evil too.

Fair point. :lol:


It is interesting for me to watch pushes like this in England and Australia for big sharp knives/swords to face criminal legal restrictions and then listen to people in the US say "we are reasonable, we only want to ban ___ (fill in here) types of guns".


Edit: And Bozo, when are you going to accompany me to a range? Just last week I took a guy (who'd lived in Japan for most of his life) who had never touched a gun before to the range, and by the end of it he was thinking that next visit he wanted to try the rental Uzi. :ar15: :thumbsup:
 
No, it doesn't reduce crime; but it will certainly reduce the number of deaths from crimes.

When 2 people get into a fight:
Worst case scenario: They use weapons they have at their disposal.
If it is nothing; the worst injury is most likely bruises and scratches; perhaps a dislocated jaw or a broken hand.
If it is knives: the worst injury is cuts, stabs and perhaps lethal wounds.
If it is guns: death is likely.
 
You can kill alot more people with a gun in a short period of time than you can with a steak knife.
 
Hrm. When are Europeans going to ban nasty looks in public? Those are deadly too. Thank God for the 2nd Amendment.

When 2 people get into a fight:
Worst case scenario: They use weapons they have at their disposal.
If it is nothing; the worst injury is most likely bruises and scratches; perhaps a dislocated jaw or a broken hand.
If it is knives: the worst injury is cuts, stabs and perhaps lethal wounds.
If it is guns: death is likely.

Nonsense. Even in war the vast majority of gunshot wounds are not fatal.
 
IglooDude said:
rental Uzi. :ar15: :thumbsup:

Now that is sweet. You're not out by Vegas, are you?? That's the only place I'd known of (in the U.S.) where you could rent automatic weapons (although maybe I'm making a false assumption that the Uzi you mentioned was auto). Either way, that's awesome. :thumbsup: :evil:

Remotely on-topic, predictably, a gun-loving American thumbs-upping Uzi's is going to fall on the side of 'WTH?'. Better hope nowhere breaks out in a rash of vicious garden gnome bludgeonings. ;)
 
ummmm........ said:
What's A&E stand for in England? I'm assuming it's not Arts & Entertainment . . .
Accident & emergency
 
Speedo said:
Hrm. When are Europeans going to ban nasty looks in public? Those are deadly too. Thank God for the 2nd Amendment.

yep, you guys prefer banning sexy dancing and stuff, much better ;)
 
ummmm........ said:
What's A&E stand for in England? I'm assuming it's not Arts & Entertainment . . .

Accident and Emergency [Ward]. The place to go when you've been stuck with a pointy knife.
ER I suppose.

Edit: too slow.
 
IglooDude said:
And Bozo, when are you going to accompany me to a range? Just last week I took a guy (who'd lived in Japan for most of his life) who had never touched a gun before to the range, and by the end of it he was thinking that next visit he wanted to try the rental Uzi. :ar15: :thumbsup:
Ive got a weird thing with guns. I think theyre fascinating, often beautifully made tools. I could watch 'Tales of the Gun' all day. But to me guns are like wild animals, I would no more want a gun in my house than I would the worlds most beautiful Bengal tiger:eek:

BTW, Id probably be like that guy. Or like Miles in that Frasier episode when he goes to a shooting range. Which is precisely why Id never do it:lol:
 
Speedo said:
Hrm. When are Europeans going to ban nasty looks in public? Those are deadly too. Thank God for the 2nd Amendment.

It's an opinion piece by three doctors, not any form of proposed legislation. I believe that opinions are allowed to be expressed in your nation too.
 
If England bans pointy knives Brazil will probably follow, given our natural disposition to copy moronic laws from all over the world.

Actually, this year or the next there will be a referendum about banning guns in the nation. I wonder what the point is, since 98.4% of the gun-related crimes are commited with illegal and unregistered guns anyway.
 
IglooDude said:
It is interesting for me to watch pushes like this in England and Australia for big sharp knives/swords to face criminal legal restrictions and then listen to people in the US say "we are reasonable, we only want to ban ___ (fill in here) types of guns".
There's a difference to: There aren't alot of stuff as dangerous as a gun that is commonly found lying around, but there's plenty of stuff comparable to a long kitchen knife that is.

I've got almost no tools in my appartment, but my hammer is easily enough to crack a skull. My (short, non-kitchen) knives are easily capable of puncturing a lung or slitting a throat. And any toolshed is gonna have an axe.
 
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