Some thoughts.
According to creationism, God created the stars to light the Earth. The first star, however, didn't appear in the Earth sky till four years after Creation. All that we see today took a million and a half years, that is, the span of our Galaxy in ltyrs. The Jews believe the Earth to be around 4000-5000 years old, IIRC. The age of the Earth according to the Christians never came within half of the current 4 bil year age predicted by U238-Pb dating, which is unimpeachable since it relies on simple math and known chemical data. Quite simply Uranium decays at a constant rate to Lead [it takes 4.5 x 10^9 yrs for 100 g of U to convert to 50 g U and product lead]. By measuring the ratios of U and Pb in rock, we can get an average guess of the age of that rock.
Regarding the arguments pertaining to intelligent life I have nothing to say, except maybe life has formed that doesn't follow the same chemical model as we humans? That is entirely different and unexpected? Thus throwing off the calculations...
"Well, the popes you are talking about had mistresses and answered to secular nations."
That's putting it lightly. Have you heard of Lucrezia Borgia?
"For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness. And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain. 1 Cor 3:19,20"
Taking into context, I hope, that Jesus was firmly antiestablishment and in every way a rebel, consorting with the lower levels of society like pubkeepers and tax collectors, and therefore would take any chance to dismiss the status quo, especially wisdom and science which was a big industry back then, especially among the Jews, who preserve that tradition today!
"Even if i didn't believe the bible and take it as truth, i'd be more willing to take the big leap to believe in god, than the millions of big
leaps to believe in evolution."
On the contrary, that is why they call it a LEAP OF FAITH: because faith is literally a leap, a skip of logic. Logic is dropping a pencil 100 times and predicting it will fall the same way on trial 101. Faith is believing I can part the Red Sea God willing. Logic is medicine, faith is resurrection. Logic is science, faith is mysticism - Jesus was a mystic himself, as was Moses.
There are NO leaps of faith in REAL SCIENCE, only hypotheses and syntheses. Yes, there is quack science. But nowhere in real, credible science are the massive gaps and suspensions of belief as there are, on a regular basis, in faith.
Not insulting faith, btw!
"Let's put it this way, 6 days to God is alot of years to us."
This is a standard example of CBD, that is, Christian Back-Down. In the Middle Ages you would have been burned for heresy for saying that. Now you're seen as a moderate. As science uncovers more truth you will need to change your interpretation of the literal word to fit what is undeniably true. For example, no Christian says the Earth is flat anymore, although dogma supported that long ago... already the words are twisted way beyond what the actual scribes of the Bible believed they were saying. To keep up with truth, faith will soon be unrecognizable to us at the crossroads. Sad
"Technically, Pythagora only has a theory too."
TheorEM. A proven theorY.
Neither creationism nor evolution is a theorem, that is neither are proved - or IMHO provable.
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Originally posted by CurtSibling
Belief in god cannot repair a broken machine or cure a disease.
Sure?"
Hasn't been tested. Can't know for sure.
"a monkey doesn't turn into a man."
Common misconception of evolution. Man and monkey aren't parent and child, they are like cousins evolving from a common ancestor, which is now extinct because its niche was stolen by the apes and man. Man started to diverge from apedom a few million years ago. And YES, we do have austrolopethici/neanderthal skeletons that DO prove that humans were once more apelike.
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If you folks who claim to really doubt the theory of evolution, my recommendation to you would be to sign up for some biology
courses, and become evolutionary biologists. Sharp minds and fresh perspectives are generally welcome in any scientific field. Then,
when you understand the vast evidence (archaeological, ecological, and genetic evidence mind you, evidence from vastly different
fields, all pointing to the same conclusion.... hmmmmm) supporting the theory you will be in a far better position to attempt to refute
the evolutionary model, by testing its predictions scientifically. You will no doubt encounter some resistance, but if your data is good,
and demonstrates a clear problem with the theory, then the theory will be replaced, or at least adjusted to fit with your new data.
That, my friends, is science.
This may sound a bit tongue in cheek, but I am in fact very serious. If you feel strongly against a thing, don't just sit here and
blather incoherent, half-baked reasons why its wrong over the internet. Get out there and hit the books. Learn as much about it as
you can and try to formulate actual reasons and present them to the scientific community for review."
That's what I plan to do. I have some problems with the current model of astronomy and I'm going into that career personally. But that's nothing to do with evolution....
By the way, Jesus was advocating a pretty strong social revolution HERE on Earth, no matter what he said about heaven. Most Christians seem to ignore his protoleninist preaching however. That's convenient because a moderate gains more support than a revolutionary, even a revolutionary Son Of God.
"If your Catholic school taught you that life is predetermined, they could be excommunicated,"
Is excommunication literally a part of Catholic theology to this day? No kidding? Woah.
Truth is, atheists have no reason to need to believe in God and literal day creationists have no need to believe in evolution. 
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I mean, if He can create our universe and the world, why can't He create our perception of time too? 
Ah well.
Then however many months/years/whatever later, we learn that that was NOT remains of early man, but part of it was from a monkey, and the rest was from a "modern" human. Or worse yet, it was a hoax. 
Or somebody gives reasons that the remains are not human or something, and again, one does not have time/money/oppertunity/education to study these things deeper. Even if you went to library and aquired books about the subject, they would likely be (or at least seem) biased towards one theory or another. I get so confused I don't know WHAT to believe anymore, so I just get sick of it all and give up. 
