Crime Rates

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What world are we living in? We are living in a world with dickheads, murderers, rapers, prostitutes, burglers and gangs. I am only 13 now, but when I get older what will the world be like? I am scared to grow up, and I shouldn't be. I really wish thoses idiots would just, well, cease to exist.

I want to know what some of the older members of these forums, (30-40s) thought of the crime rates when you were my age. I want a comparison to make a prediction of what world I will be in.

When I become a millionare, I am going to move my whole family to a nicer country, e.g Australia and New Zealand.
 
I think the media makes it look worse than it actually is...
 
Hey that's our (:old: geezers) job, to say that crime rates are higher than before.

And yes, the world seems more barbaric than ever before.
 
salty mud said:
What world are we living in? We are living in a world with dickheads, murderers, rapers, prostitutes, burglers and gangs. I am only 13 now, but when I get older what will the world be like? I am scared to grow up, and I shouldn't be. I really wish thoses idiots would just, well, cease to exist.

I want to know what some of the older members of these forums, (30-40s) thought of the crime rates when you were my age. I want a comparison to make a prediction of what world I will be in.

When I become a millionare, I am going to move my whole family to a nicer country, e.g Australia and New Zealand.

I don't think they were higher just they weren't tackled with the same degree of legislation they are today. The statistics should be weighed with some degree of discretion.

Here's a site that explains this.

http://cfpm.org/~majordom/memetics/2000/16074.html

There are two ways that tougher crime measures may aggravate crime rates. The first is by extending the range of things deemed criminal behaviour. For example, in the UK the government (inspired to an extent by the US in its approach to crime fighting- even hiring US cops to head schemes) is introducing anti-social behaviour crimes, and has also criminalised things like grooming over the internet. I'm not saying that these things are necessarily wrong policies, but part of becoming tough on crime means criminalising behaviours previously a matter of civic concern. This widens the remit of law enforcement and means more cases, more trials, moer prisoners.

Second, comes the reciprocal spiralling of crime that occurs when crime fighting becoms tougher. Again to use the UK as an example, gun crime is rising in the UK, and whilst regular police are not armed, the armed response units that offer back up to unarmed cops are being used more and more frequently. So the debate is heating up about whether or not to arm our cops (most people and cops themselves aren't that eager to do this, and even those in favour aren't champing at the bit, and come across as rather disappointed that this may be the future). One argument against is that if determined criminals know that cops are going to be armed, they will tool up more frequently as well, and you'll get a cycle of escalation of the severity of crimes committed. Indeed, one of the arguments against armed police in the UK is the fear that we will descend into the kind gun culture of the USA with everyone shooting at everyone else (cops, criminals and civilians). Recently in the UK they've started using tasers and pepper sprays and still use rubber bullets (although no one calls them that anymore, after dozens of people have been killed over the years when they've been used in Northern Ireland). Incidentally has anyone else noticed the way that the producers of these devices and police users have changed their name from 'non-lethal weapons' to 'less lethal weapons' in a very overt acknowledgement that these things can and do kill people.

There is another aspect to tirades about rising crime as well, and that is the new opportunities for new kinds of crime, obviously a whole range of new crimes made possible through the internet that didn't exist 15 to 20 years ago, or mobile phone thefts etc. etc. One thing in the press currently is the RIAA's ridiculous attempts to prosecute MP3 file-sharing for breach of copyright, a principle that has applied to music only for an astonishingly small part of its history (recall the days before pre-recorded music when musicians made a living by actually going around playing their music, and allowing others to play their music).
 
GoodSarmatian said:
I think the media makes it look worse than it actually is...

I fully agree with the above. :agree:

The crime rate DID go up but not as much as the media tells us.

When I was young there were no news specialised channels, now there are more that what we need.

I blame that on the sensationalism, the media wants viewers to watch their show.

Same thing with natural disasters, a few years back In Quebec we had a Ice storm that paralised most of Quebec, well 6 months after all that we heard about Ice storms warnings each day.
 
In the U.S., crime has actually been improving for a while now. I think it peaked in the 70s.

Sidhe speaks the truth. Differing legislation and crime enforcement cloud the issue. Murder rates are almost the only reliable crime statistic.
 
Maybe it was because I was younger, but it seemed a lot safer where I live back in the 1990's. But the economic climate has its part in the crime problem, and Southern Illinois has only been losing jobs or getting pay cuts.
 
salty mud said:
What world are we living in? We are living in a world with dickheads, murderers, rapers, prostitutes, burglers and gangs. I am only 13 now, but when I get older what will the world be like? I am scared to grow up, and I shouldn't be. I really wish thoses idiots would just, well, cease to exist.

I want to know what some of the older members of these forums, (30-40s) thought of the crime rates when you were my age. I want a comparison to make a prediction of what world I will be in.

When I become a millionare, I am going to move my whole family to a nicer country, e.g Australia and New Zealand.

:rotfl: dont worry so much. Buy a knife or a new gun or get drunk, that should cheer you up.
 
salty mud said:
What world are we living in? We are living in a world with dickheads, murderers, rapers, prostitutes, burglers and gangs. I am only 13 now, but when I get older what will the world be like? I am scared to grow up, and I shouldn't be. I really wish thoses idiots would just, well, cease to exist.

I want to know what some of the older members of these forums, (30-40s) thought of the crime rates when you were my age. I want a comparison to make a prediction of what world I will be in.

When I become a millionare, I am going to move my whole family to a nicer country, e.g Australia and New Zealand.

Dude, imagine how life was when there was no serious police forces, crimes were not reported, and 95% of the population was in servitude?

Do not fall for the Golden Age myth. Times were NOT better before. 20 years ago there were murderers, gangs, rapists, just like today. But they were not overexposed, that's all.

If you're scared, then the media have won.
 
Statistics show that violent crime rates in Canada are getting lower, while media induced hysteria is rising dramatically (along with stupid Tory reactionist laws).
 
In Minneapolis and St Paul the crime rates are much lower now than 10, 20, or 30 years ago. I saw some crazy stuff in the '80s and early '90s.
 
It depends where you live if its a problem.

You dont need to move to a new country. Just to a nice neighborhood with lots of old folks who look out for eachother.

Most people dont rob neighbors when they do burglaries but if your in a good neighborhood your neighbors would report anything suspicious like if a van was parked out front of your house being loaded while you were gone.
 
salty mud said:
What world are we living in? We are living in a world with dickheads, murderers, rapers, prostitutes, burglers and gangs. I am only 13 now, but when I get older what will the world be like? I am scared to grow up, and I shouldn't be. I really wish thoses idiots would just, well, cease to exist.

I want to know what some of the older members of these forums, (30-40s) thought of the crime rates when you were my age. I want a comparison to make a prediction of what world I will be in.

When I become a millionare, I am going to move my whole family to a nicer country, e.g Australia and New Zealand.

Crime appears to have decreased from when I was younger. Back in the 1980's, I remember noticing beatings, muggings, vandalism and a general disregard for the law in the neighborhood I grew up, in Brooklyn, NY. There were also some neighborhoods in Manhattan that you wouldn't be caught dead in past a certain hour. Even in daylight, you had to constantly watch your back because there were all sorts of thugs around that were trying to peddle drugs to you, and their "associates".

Sometime in the early to mid 1990's, I started noticing a sharp decline in criminal activity. There could have been many reasons for this. One is that I moved out of my high crime neighborhood when I was 12, in 1985. The new neighborhood was, reputedly, a "paisano" neighborhood where no crime that wasn't "approved" happened. Also, a new mayor was elected in 1993, Giuliani, that increased police presence. I remember in the 1980's that you could hardly find a cop for blocks, and that they usually weren't around when you needed them. By 1995, there were so many cops you couldn't turn around to avoid them.

So don't worry about crime so much. It has decreased compared to what I remember in my youth.
 
Solution to avoiding high crime rates? Move to a wealthy neighborhood.

But in all honesty, crime has steadily fallen.
 
Ditto what others have said, crime rates are actually lower than they were when I was a teenager in the 80s.
 
Xanikk999 said:
You dont need to move to a new country. Just to a nice neighborhood with lots of old folks who look out for eachother.

Most people dont rob neighbors when they do burglaries but if your in a good neighborhood your neighbors would report anything suspicious like if a van was parked out front of your house being loaded while you were gone.

He lives in the UK, so he already has a bunch of nosey neighbours.
 
I'm not worried, the human race has always had scores upon scores or killers, rapists, gangs, ect... It is just that it seems the news can't find anything more intersting to report than some girl being raped and murdered. Sure I feel sorry for her and hope they catch the guy who did it, but I still don't understand why it is on national news.
 
Evil Tyrant said:
I'm not worried, the human race has always had scores upon scores or killers, rapists, gangs, ect... It is just that it seems the news can't find anything more intersting to report than some girl being raped and murdered. Sure I feel sorry for her and hope they catch the guy who did it, but I still don't understand why it is on national news.

This statement is old geezer approved. :old:

We just have better communications now. How would the mongol hordes have looked on today's evening news?
 
I'm going with the 'oversensationalised by the media' crowd here. Don't think there's anything I can add to what's been said about that, but I will say I find it equally bemusing (and horrifying) that the media (in Britain at least) will focus on one horrific crime one month, then completely forget it for some other news event the next.

And then only to report what happened in the first story as a minor news bulletin later on in the year. Wait...it's a headline that someone has been murdered, but not that the killer has been put in prison.

I know, I know, it's not as exciting and as viewer-grabbing, but that's what gets me down. Ultimately salty mud, don't let these headlines affect you, and don't buy into what the media is telling you.
 
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