Crossroads of the World and Right to Rule DLC - themed predictions based on what we know

[Oberst Kraft]

Yes, I feel certain now that the new civs will have new wonders integrated into their design, and that these new associated wonders will not be listed separately as features in the DLC because they are implied as part of the civs.

This is the only logical explanation.

 

[stealth_nsk]

To sum it up, we have 3 theories:

1. Hidden wonders theory. It supposes each civ is released with its associated wonder (unless claims existing one) and those wonders are just not listed in DLC.
Pros:
- Polygon leak could be true (well, except their mistake of listing Shawnee and Tecumseh as part of CotW)
- We could expect good wonder-civ associations
Cons:
- Hiding those wonders from DLC pack listing make no sense from marketing standpoint as they need to show full value for DLC
- Epic Games database doesn't list RtR wonders as separate pack, meaning those wonders are packed with civs. It would be even more strange to hide CotW wonders, but not RtR

2. No wonders theory. It supposes one CotW civ doesn't have associated wonder.
Pros:
- Explains everything
Cons:
- Would be quite unfair to this civilization

3. Weird association theory. It supposes one CotW civilization has weird association with wonder, most likely candidate is Nepal with Nalanda
Pros:
- Gets in line with all previous wonder theories
- Explains everything
Cons:
- The association is weird

So, pick your option.

EDIT: I think the "hidden wonders" theory is the least likely, because cons are too big. But I also understand why it has so much support - it's the most attractive one.

EDIT2: For the weird association theory, there's Nepal with Red Fort option. The connection is equally weak, but it places Nepal to modern age, making civ distribution between ages equal.

EDIT3: I thought Polygon incorrectly listed Shawnee and Tecumseh as CotW content, but they list them as Deluxe Edition content, which is right

 

[Ryansinbela]

I looked at the dlc list and crossroads is listed as having 4 New wonders and a seperate narrative and wonder pack

 

[Evie]

Most likely my left foot ; the connection to Red Fort is not much better, but Modern Nepal make much more sense both historically (Nepal's golden era is the Exploration Gorkha Kingdom and modern Gorkha Empire/Kingdom of Nepal, not the Antiquity era) and era balance wise (If Nepal is Antiquity, then we end up with an unbalanced civ counts after all deluxe content is out, since Silla, Assyria and Carthage all have to be Antiquity)

 

[stealth_nsk]

I looked at the dlc list and crossroads is listed as having 4 New wonders and a seperate narrative and wonder pack

Where do you look? The only place there CotW has wonders is an image on steam and it actually means natural wonders, as clarified in text and civ faq.

 

[stealth_nsk]

Most likely my left foot ; the connection to Red Fort is equally weak, but Modern Nepal make much more sense both historically (Nepal's golden era is the Exploration Gorkha Kingdom and modern Gorkha Empire/Kingdom of Nepal, not the Antiquity era) and era balance wise (If Nepal is Antiquity, then we end up with an unbalanced civ counts after all deluxe content is out)

Yes. Nepal - Red Fort is a subvariant of the weird connection theory. Adding it now to the bottom.

 

[Oberst Kraft]

(well, except their mistake of listing Shawnee and Tecumseh as part of CotW).

It's not a mistake:

Pre-ordering Sid Meier's Civilization VII Standard Edition before February 11, 2025 grants you access to the Tecumseh and Shawnee Pack.* The Tecumseh and Shawnee Pack is included in the Deluxe Edition and Founders Edition.

 

[stealth_nsk]

It's not a mistake:

Pre-ordering Sid Meier's Civilization VII Standard Edition before February 11, 2025 grants you access to the Tecumseh and Shawnee Pack.* The Tecumseh and Shawnee Pack is included in the Deluxe Edition and Founders Edition.

Neither are Crossroads of the Worlds. So yep, it's a mistake.

 

[Oberst Kraft]

Neither are Crossroads of the Worlds. So yep, it's a mistake.

A lack of precision at best, but not a mistake:

Sid Meier's Civilization VII Deluxe Edition includes the following:

• ...
• Tecumseh and Shawnee Pack
• Crossroads of the World Collection, with post-launch content featuring 2 new Leaders, 4 new Civilizations, 4 new Natural Wonders, and more**
• ...

 

[Evie]

Not mistake. The article make it quite clear that they were listing what you get (at or near release) with the Deluxe pack, and that's both COTW and the Tecumseh/Shawnee pack.

Of course now the article seems to have been modified to no longer specify civilizations or leaders.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Trying to look up potential Nepalese wonders that would make more sense and it keeps popping up that Nepal itself is the "8th wonder of the world". So that checks out that they come with themselves as an associated wonder.

I am wondering if including Nepal might be a soft inclusion of getting Tibet. Because the first thing I thought of is a Sherpa unique civilian scout unit that could move across rough terrain and mountains.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

Trying to look up potential Nepalese wonders that would make more sense and it keeps popping up that Nepal itself is the "8th wonder of the world". So that checks out that they come with themselves as an associated wonder.

I am wondering if including Nepal might be a soft inclusion of getting Tibet. Because the first thing I thought of is a Sherpa unique civilian scout unit that could move across rough terrain and mountains.

Kumari Ghar? It's the palace of a living goddess

 

[Xandinho]

I am wondering if including Nepal might be a soft inclusion of getting Tibet. Because the first thing I thought of is a Sherpa unique civilian scout unit that could move across rough terrain and mountains.

Yeah, it makes sense that Nepal's inclusion is a nod to those who want Tibet, especially since it is perhaps the most similar option. I also think it might be related to gameplay, as many players will likely want to combine Nepal with the Incas in a mountain-focused match.

 

[stealth_nsk]

A lack of precision at best, but not a mistake:

Sid Meier's Civilization VII Deluxe Edition includes the following:

• ...
• Tecumseh and Shawnee Pack
• Crossroads of the World Collection, with post-launch content featuring 2 new Leaders, 4 new Civilizations, 4 new Natural Wonders, and more**
• ...

My mistake. I thought they are listing CotW, not Deluxe edition. Fixing it now.

 

[GeneralZift]

Could it be possible that one wonder be associated with more than one Civ?

 

[Archanist]

Could it be possible that one wonder be associated with more than one Civ?

I think it's possible that we'll have a civ like this, but I don't think the Mughals will be that civ (I have no basis for this, just a gut feeling).

 

[stealth_nsk]

Could it be possible that one wonder be associated with more than one Civ?

I found it very unlikely. I'd say one of the ideas of associated wonder is to have at least one almost guaranteed wonder, which won't work in that case (although I should admin, I still don't have full understanding while this feature is needed at all).

 

[Sagax]

Alternatively, could one of the CotW civs not have an associated wonder as part of their design quirk? Something like being able to fast-build any available wonder of their choice upon unlocking a tradition, or cannot build wonders as a malus in exchange for something else?

I’m still not sold on the “hidden wonders” theory, purely because all associated wonders are technically available to everyone to build. This is different from all other uniques in a civ package, where only the civ in question can benefit from them.

 

[ombak]

Alternatively, could one of the CotW civs not have an associated wonder as part of their design quirk? Something like being able to fast-build any one wonder of their choice upon unlocking a tradition, or cannot build wonders as a malus in exchange for something else?

I’m still not sold on the “hidden wonders” theory, purely because all associated wonders are technically available to everyone to build. This is different from all other uniques in a civ package, where only the civ in question can benefit from them.

That's a cool idea regardless of whether it pops up now or later in DLC/expansions.

 

[Oberst Kraft]

Alternatively, could one of the CotW civs not have an associated wonder as part of their design quirk? Something like being able to fast-build any one wonder of their choice upon unlocking a tradition, or cannot build wonders as a malus in exchange for something else?

Good idea. This civilization could, for example, have the ability to count conquered cities with wonders as filling the progress bar on the culture path in the Antiquity Age (similar to Mongols ability in the Exploration Age - they can complete the military path by conquering settlements on the home land).